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2024-10-06 at 2:10 AM UTC
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2024-10-06 at 2:12 AM UTCAnybody else?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2024-10-06 at 2:13 AM UTCFrala he’s definitely losing his mental facilities. I say we start preparing the obituary now.
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2024-10-06 at 2:13 AM UTC
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2024-10-06 at 2:15 AM UTC
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2024-10-06 at 2:17 AM UTC
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2024-10-06 at 2:19 AM UTCSpeedy can’t even remember what year it is
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2024-10-06 at 2:54 AM UTCspeedy is a try hard
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2024-10-06 at 3:03 AM UTC
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2024-10-06 at 3:12 AM UTC
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2024-10-06 at 5:20 AM UTC
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2024-10-06 at 4:02 PM UTC
Originally posted by Speedy Parker I guarantee it gets government funding. Who pays for you to stay there?
ok well I literally manage this place and have in depth conversations with my boss about this subject.
This is a private, for profit, corporation that does not receive any charitable donations, any government funding, or any subsidies related to the operation. Individuals that move in here pay a 50$ non refundable administrative fee and then proceed to pay 210$ a week. Requiring 260 a month from that point forward. Occasionally we will get a rehab that pays for individuals who cannot afford the move in fee to "sponsor them" which is generally a means by which their insurance is charged the 260$ move in fee + First week rent. However if they are unable to find a job after the first week they are dropped off wherever they want in the county since this is not a shelter or a charity it is a rent-based business.
I forgot how you know everything about situations that you know very little about, lol.
As for me, I no longer pay rent here because I am the manager so my 210$ a week is waived as compensation for the administration and watch of those around me. If I wasn't getting this place for free I would've just moved back to my apartment with my roommate and my dog and probably started smoking weed again. But I get to live in this nice environment for free and it's not that much work. -
2024-10-06 at 5:55 PM UTC
Originally posted by Bradley ok well I literally manage this place and have in depth conversations with my boss about this subject.
This is a private, for profit, corporation that does not receive any charitable donations, any government funding, or any subsidies related to the operation. Individuals that move in here pay a 50$ non refundable administrative fee and then proceed to pay 210$ a week. Requiring 260 a month from that point forward. Occasionally we will get a rehab that pays for individuals who cannot afford the move in fee to "sponsor them" which is generally a means by which their insurance is charged the 260$ move in fee + First week rent. However if they are unable to find a job after the first week they are dropped off wherever they want in the county since this is not a shelter or a charity it is a rent-based business.
I forgot how you know everything about situations that you know very little about, lol.
As for me, I no longer pay rent here because I am the manager so my 210$ a week is waived as compensation for the administration and watch of those around me. If I wasn't getting this place for free I would've just moved back to my apartment with my roommate and my dog and probably started smoking weed again. But I get to live in this nice environment for free and it's not that much work.
Where did you and most of your roommates get the $210 per week from. How do you know there isn't government subsidies fir the program? Do you have full access to the corporate ledgers?
When you've been around as long as I have you know there are tins of for profit corporations that receive government subsidies in everything from farming to shelters to yes even group homes. Many smart businesses men open corporations in "industries "eligible" for subsides.
There are even companies that charge to walk you through the process of setting up private for profit group homes with government money.
https://grouphomeriches.com
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2024-10-06 at 6:08 PM UTC
Originally posted by Speedy Parker When you've been around as long as I have you know there are tins of for profit corporations that receive government subsidies in everything from farming to shelters to yes even group homes. Many smart businesses men open corporations in "industries "eligible" for subsides.
Yes and Elon Musk is a welfare queen that is literally no better than a crack smoking nigger on the dole who lost his food stamps under his work boots, what's your point?
What does a company receiving a subsidy have to do with anything? It's a tax break to stimulate the economy because taxes are illegal theft and shouldn't exist in the first place and the government should be run like a for profit industry with subsidy from the public -
2024-10-06 at 6:39 PM UTC
Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood Yes and Elon Musk is a welfare queen that is literally no better than a crack smoking nigger on the dole who lost his food stamps under his work boots, what's your point?
What does a company receiving a subsidy have to do with anything? It's a tax break to stimulate the economy because taxes are illegal theft and shouldn't exist in the first place and the government should be run like a for profit industry with subsidy from the public
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2024-10-06 at 7:16 PM UTC
Originally posted by Speedy Parker tax break ≠ grant
Yes, Elon Musk and his companies, particularly Tesla and SpaceX, have benefited from various tax breaks, subsidies, and government grants at both federal and state levels. Here's a breakdown of the key ways Musk's businesses have received government support:
### 1. **Tax Breaks and Credits for Tesla**
- **Electric Vehicle Tax Credits**: Tesla has benefited from federal electric vehicle (EV) tax credits. Until 2019, customers who bought Tesla vehicles were eligible for up to $7,500 in federal tax credits, which helped boost sales. Although Tesla has since surpassed the sales cap for this federal incentive, it helped the company in its early years.
- **State and Local Tax Incentives**: Tesla has received significant state-level tax incentives, especially when building new factories or expanding operations. For example, the state of Nevada granted Tesla over **$1.3 billion** in tax incentives in 2014 to build the Gigafactory in Reno, including tax abatements and credits for job creation.
### 2. **SpaceX and NASA Contracts**
- **NASA Contracts**: SpaceX has won billions in contracts from NASA to develop and launch rockets. NASA has also provided funding for projects like the Commercial Crew Program and the Lunar Gateway, a part of the Artemis program. SpaceX’s Crew Dragon capsule was developed with substantial NASA support.
- **Defense Contracts**: In addition to NASA, SpaceX has received contracts from the Department of Defense for national security launches. This provides steady revenue and support for the company.
### 3. **Federal Loan Programs**
- In its early days, **Tesla received a $465 million loan from the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE)** under its Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing (ATVM) Loan Program in 2010. Tesla repaid this loan in 2013, but the program helped keep the company afloat during a crucial period.
### 4. **SolarCity (Now Tesla Energy)**
- **Federal Solar Tax Credits**: SolarCity, which was acquired by Tesla and became Tesla Energy, benefited from federal tax credits for renewable energy. These credits, part of the Investment Tax Credit (ITC), have been instrumental in incentivizing solar energy adoption.
- **State-level Grants and Incentives**: SolarCity also benefited from state-level programs, particularly in places like New York, where it received subsidies to build solar panel factories.
### 5. **Research and Development Grants**
- Tesla, SpaceX, and Musk’s other ventures have occasionally received government research grants, particularly in areas like renewable energy and advanced manufacturing.
### 6. **Carbon Credits**
- Tesla has also generated significant revenue by selling **regulatory carbon credits** to other automakers who need them to comply with emissions standards. While this isn't a direct government subsidy, the system was created by government regulations to promote cleaner energy.
In summary, while Musk and his companies are often portrayed as independent of government support, they have received significant help through tax breaks, contracts, and subsidies that have been instrumental in their growth and success.
While the term "welfare queen" is typically used to criticize individuals or companies that unfairly exploit government support or subsidies, the situation with Elon Musk and his companies is more complex and nuanced. Musk has undeniably benefited from government incentives, contracts, and tax breaks, but these programs are often designed to spur innovation, job creation, and economic development, particularly in industries like electric vehicles, renewable energy, and space exploration.
Here’s a more balanced way to look at it:
### 1. **Government Support as Industry Standard**
Many industries, especially in technology, aerospace, and energy, receive government funding or subsidies. It's not unique to Musk. Automakers, airlines, defense contractors, and fossil fuel companies have all benefited from similar government programs. The support for Musk's ventures is part of broader efforts to encourage innovation in clean energy and space, which are seen as critical for the future.
### 2. **Public-Private Partnerships**
Musk’s companies, particularly SpaceX, have helped the government achieve important objectives—like reducing reliance on Russian rockets and developing renewable energy solutions. SpaceX has also saved NASA significant amounts of money compared to previous space missions. These partnerships are designed to benefit both sides: the government gets innovative solutions, and Musk’s companies get revenue and opportunities to grow.
### 3. **Investment in Innovation**
Musk’s businesses have used this government support to create cutting-edge technology, advance renewable energy adoption, and revolutionize space exploration. Without these government incentives and contracts, it's possible that Tesla’s rise in the electric vehicle market or SpaceX’s success in reducing the cost of space launches might not have happened as quickly, if at all.
### 4. **Repaying Loans**
Tesla, for example, repaid its **$465 million DOE loan** early, which is not something every company that receives government support manages to do. Musk has often pointed out that Tesla repaid its government loans, while many automakers like General Motors and Chrysler were bailed out without fully paying back the government during the 2008 financial crisis.
### 5. **Criticism of the System**
Critics argue that companies like Tesla and SpaceX are wealthy enough to operate without government help and that tax incentives and credits are a form of corporate welfare. However, this criticism can apply broadly to many large companies, not just Musk’s.
### Conclusion:
Calling Musk a "welfare queen" with a "tin cup" could be a humorous or cynical take on his use of government programs, but it oversimplifies a broader issue. Musk and his companies do leverage government support, but that support is often part of a strategy to promote innovation and economic growth in industries seen as vital to the future.
The bigger question is whether government incentives are being used effectively and whether they are promoting the kind of innovations and industries that benefit the broader public, as Musk's companies aim to do. -
2024-10-06 at 8:04 PM UTC
Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood Yes, Elon Musk and his companies, particularly Tesla and SpaceX, have benefited from various tax breaks, subsidies, and government grants at both federal and state levels. Here's a breakdown of the key ways Musk's businesses have received government support:
### 1. **Tax Breaks and Credits for Tesla**
- **Electric Vehicle Tax Credits**: Tesla has benefited from federal electric vehicle (EV) tax credits. Until 2019, customers who bought Tesla vehicles were eligible for up to $7,500 in federal tax credits, which helped boost sales. Although Tesla has since surpassed the sales cap for this federal incentive, it helped the company in its early years.
- **State and Local Tax Incentives**: Tesla has received significant state-level tax incentives, especially when building new factories or expanding operations. For example, the state of Nevada granted Tesla over **$1.3 billion** in tax incentives in 2014 to build the Gigafactory in Reno, including tax abatements and credits for job creation.
### 2. **SpaceX and NASA Contracts**
- **NASA Contracts**: SpaceX has won billions in contracts from NASA to develop and launch rockets. NASA has also provided funding for projects like the Commercial Crew Program and the Lunar Gateway, a part of the Artemis program. SpaceX’s Crew Dragon capsule was developed with substantial NASA support.
- **Defense Contracts**: In addition to NASA, SpaceX has received contracts from the Department of Defense for national security launches. This provides steady revenue and support for the company.
### 3. **Federal Loan Programs**
- In its early days, **Tesla received a $465 million loan from the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE)** under its Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing (ATVM) Loan Program in 2010. Tesla repaid this loan in 2013, but the program helped keep the company afloat during a crucial period.
### 4. **SolarCity (Now Tesla Energy)**
- **Federal Solar Tax Credits**: SolarCity, which was acquired by Tesla and became Tesla Energy, benefited from federal tax credits for renewable energy. These credits, part of the Investment Tax Credit (ITC), have been instrumental in incentivizing solar energy adoption.
- **State-level Grants and Incentives**: SolarCity also benefited from state-level programs, particularly in places like New York, where it received subsidies to build solar panel factories.
### 5. **Research and Development Grants**
- Tesla, SpaceX, and Musk’s other ventures have occasionally received government research grants, particularly in areas like renewable energy and advanced manufacturing.
### 6. **Carbon Credits**
- Tesla has also generated significant revenue by selling **regulatory carbon credits** to other automakers who need them to comply with emissions standards. While this isn't a direct government subsidy, the system was created by government regulations to promote cleaner energy.
In summary, while Musk and his companies are often portrayed as independent of government support, they have received significant help through tax breaks, contracts, and subsidies that have been instrumental in their growth and success.
While the term "welfare queen" is typically used to criticize individuals or companies that unfairly exploit government support or subsidies, the situation with Elon Musk and his companies is more complex and nuanced. Musk has undeniably benefited from government incentives, contracts, and tax breaks, but these programs are often designed to spur innovation, job creation, and economic development, particularly in industries like electric vehicles, renewable energy, and space exploration.
Here’s a more balanced way to look at it:
### 1. **Government Support as Industry Standard**
Many industries, especially in technology, aerospace, and energy, receive government funding or subsidies. It's not unique to Musk. Automakers, airlines, defense contractors, and fossil fuel companies have all benefited from similar government programs. The support for Musk's ventures is part of broader efforts to encourage innovation in clean energy and space, which are seen as critical for the future.
### 2. **Public-Private Partnerships**
Musk’s companies, particularly SpaceX, have helped the government achieve important objectives—like reducing reliance on Russian rockets and developing renewable energy solutions. SpaceX has also saved NASA significant amounts of money compared to previous space missions. These partnerships are designed to benefit both sides: the government gets innovative solutions, and Musk’s companies get revenue and opportunities to grow.
### 3. **Investment in Innovation**
Musk’s businesses have used this government support to create cutting-edge technology, advance renewable energy adoption, and revolutionize space exploration. Without these government incentives and contracts, it's possible that Tesla’s rise in the electric vehicle market or SpaceX’s success in reducing the cost of space launches might not have happened as quickly, if at all.
### 4. **Repaying Loans**
Tesla, for example, repaid its **$465 million DOE loan** early, which is not something every company that receives government support manages to do. Musk has often pointed out that Tesla repaid its government loans, while many automakers like General Motors and Chrysler were bailed out without fully paying back the government during the 2008 financial crisis.
### 5. **Criticism of the System**
Critics argue that companies like Tesla and SpaceX are wealthy enough to operate without government help and that tax incentives and credits are a form of corporate welfare. However, this criticism can apply broadly to many large companies, not just Musk’s.
### Conclusion:
Calling Musk a "welfare queen" with a "tin cup" could be a humorous or cynical take on his use of government programs, but it oversimplifies a broader issue. Musk and his companies do leverage government support, but that support is often part of a strategy to promote innovation and economic growth in industries seen as vital to the future.
The bigger question is whether government incentives are being used effectively and whether they are promoting the kind of innovations and industries that benefit the broader public, as Musk's companies aim to do.
Like I said...
Originally posted by Speedy Parker Many smart businesses men open corporations in "industries "eligible" for subsides.
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2024-10-06 at 8:30 PM UTCsee me in ur city city know u doin shitty
ridin round in a stolie with a china doll
u know how we ball
no scary tall
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2024-10-06 at 8:38 PM UTCLiving in a group is like a flock of pigeons huddled on a cold, damp park bench. A chaotic mass of squabbles, fleeting alliances, and scavenging for scraps of attention.
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2024-10-06 at 8:42 PM UTCWhining about government subsidies while running a business that’s entirely dependent on government subsidized industries is peak boomer irony.
Congrats speedy.
