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2024-09-24 at 1:41 PM UTCRemoved, thought that was obbe having a dig.
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2024-09-24 at 1:42 PM UTC
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2024-09-24 at 1:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Um your mistake is in saying suggesting I think any life "deserves" to exist at all…I've never said any such thing
My feelings on that would be quite the opposite in fact.
Your entire argument is that humans "need" to go because we don't contribute as much as, for example, penguins do. In other words, you believe penguins are more deserving of life on Earth than humans. -
2024-09-24 at 1:44 PM UTC
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2024-09-24 at 1:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe Your entire argument is that humans "need" to go because we don't contribute as much as, for example, penguins do. In other words, you believe penguins are more deserving of life on Earth than humans.
No...common senses does not = "deserving".
Common sense dictates if the existence of 1 species means the death of 100 species it makes COMMON SENSE for that 1 species to be removed.
The old "bad apple in the barrel" analogy....one bad apple can ruin/destroy the rest.
"Deserving" doesn't come into it...common sense does. -
2024-09-24 at 1:46 PM UTC
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2024-09-24 at 1:47 PM UTChttps://climateoutreach.org/reports/climate-change-faith/ #SeasonOfCreation
https://seasonofcreation.org/resources/
Earth care, a precious gift
Narrative Arc
1. We have been entrusted with the care of
the Earth.
2. Climate change is harming the Earth.
3. We need to return to our appropriate
relationship to it.
4. By doing so we fulfill our responsibility
and restore harmony.
Keywords: gift, Creation, nature, living things, respect, responsibility, care, nurture,
flourish, productivity
For all faiths, caring for the natural world is a principle strongly embedded in texts and
observance.
Faith can be seen as a means of interpreting climate change:
“Religion provides an amazing tool to talk about our deepest feelings in our relationship
to nature.” (jedi workshop participant)
The principle of the world being a gift that we have a responsibility to respect appears
spontaneously in people’s language across faiths:
“We should look after the world as something borrowed, given to us as a gift... so we
should handle it in a very similar way.” (Hindu workshop participant)
However... be careful with language
Different faiths have very different ways of describing their relationship to the natural world
so while the principle works across faiths, it is hard to find engaging language that can speak
across all faiths, other than ‘gift’.
Language about divine ‘Creation’ and the ‘productivity’ of the Earth works well with
Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity and Islam). For Hindus and Buddhists, however, the
concept of ‘Creation’ or of a divine Creator is not at all central. For these traditions, language
around the ‘natural world’ builds more effectively on their strong ethical responsibility for
caring for all living things. However, referring to the ‘natural world’ is, in many cases, too weak
for Christians and Muslims.
“Language that speaks only of the ‘natural world’, with no indication that it might be God’s
creation, is unlikely to excite and energise those from my tradition.” (Christian survey
responder)
The divine is all around us in all living things
and in the abundance of the natural world.
The natural world is a precious gift and
caring for it is an act of worship.
We have a sacred responsibility to care
for the Earth and be its stewards.
Photo: Ed Suominen (CC)
7CLIMATE OUTREACH • Faith & Climate Change - A guide to talking with the five major faiths
Climate change is a moral challenge
Keywords: moral, care, love, harm, vulnerability, poor, born, unborn, ancestors
All faiths contain sacred values condemning violence and harm to others (particularly for
Hindus and Buddhists, this extends to all living things), being charitable, and protecting
the vulnerable. Future generations are important to all faith groups. Climate change is
a developing issue with no clear beginning or end, so this narrative places it within the
intergenerational timeline of respect for both those who came before us and those yet
unborn.
However... be careful with language
Be careful using the word ‘justice’. Justice is a complex concept with multiple meanings
which will not work with all audiences. The word ‘justice’ has strong Abrahamic overtones and
performed poorly with Hindu and Buddhist participants. Also, when applied to ‘social justice’
for the poor, it has a left-wing resonance that may work poorly with people of conservative
politics.
Avoid ‘psychological distancing’. People often sub-consciously seek to disengage from
the issue by viewing it as an issue affecting other people in other places.7 Language about
harm to the vulnerable or future generations could create a false separation between ‘us’
and the future ‘victims’ of climate change. So use the present tense (it is harming) rather
than the future (it will harm). Language about impacts on other groups in other parts of the
world, however sincere, can also enable people to distance it, so stress that climate change is
already affecting everyone in our own communities and countries.
Avoid arguments that inaction is wrong/evil. People of faith appear to regard inaction on
climate change as ignorant or weak but not expressly sinful. Although they accepted the
moral narrative that action is the right thing to do, most workshop participants also rejected
the opposite language: that inaction on climate change is wrong or distances us from God -
2024-09-24 at 1:47 PM UTC
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2024-09-24 at 1:48 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson No…common senses does not = "deserving".
Common sense dictates if the existence of 1 species means the death of 100 species it makes COMMON SENSE for that 1 species to be removed.
The old "bad apple in the barrel" analogy….one bad apple can ruin/destroy the rest.
"Deserving" doesn't come into it…common sense does.
Again, there is no "need" to remove the bad apple from the barrel. Who cares if it destroys the rest? The world is the way it is, and there is no need for it to be any other way. -
2024-09-24 at 1:48 PM UTC
Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood https://climateoutreach.org/reports/climate-change-faith/ #SeasonOfCreation
https://seasonofcreation.org/resources/
Earth care, a precious gift
Narrative Arc
1. We have been entrusted with the care of
the Earth.
2. Climate change is harming the Earth.
3. We need to return to our appropriate
relationship to it.
4. By doing so we fulfill our responsibility
and restore harmony.
Keywords: gift, Creation, nature, living things, respect, responsibility, care, nurture,
flourish, productivity
For all faiths, caring for the natural world is a principle strongly embedded in texts and
observance.
Faith can be seen as a means of interpreting climate change:
“Religion provides an amazing tool to talk about our deepest feelings in our relationship
to nature.” (jedi workshop participant)
The principle of the world being a gift that we have a responsibility to respect appears
spontaneously in people’s language across faiths:
“We should look after the world as something borrowed, given to us as a gift… so we
should handle it in a very similar way.” (Hindu workshop participant)
However… be careful with language
Different faiths have very different ways of describing their relationship to the natural world
so while the principle works across faiths, it is hard to find engaging language that can speak
across all faiths, other than ‘gift’.
Language about divine ‘Creation’ and the ‘productivity’ of the Earth works well with
Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity and Islam). For Hindus and Buddhists, however, the
concept of ‘Creation’ or of a divine Creator is not at all central. For these traditions, language
around the ‘natural world’ builds more effectively on their strong ethical responsibility for
caring for all living things. However, referring to the ‘natural world’ is, in many cases, too weak
for Christians and Muslims.
“Language that speaks only of the ‘natural world’, with no indication that it might be God’s
creation, is unlikely to excite and energise those from my tradition.” (Christian survey
responder)
The divine is all around us in all living things
and in the abundance of the natural world.
The natural world is a precious gift and
caring for it is an act of worship.
We have a sacred responsibility to care
for the Earth and be its stewards.
Photo: Ed Suominen (CC)
7CLIMATE OUTREACH • Faith & Climate Change - A guide to talking with the five major faiths
Climate change is a moral challenge
Keywords: moral, care, love, harm, vulnerability, poor, born, unborn, ancestors
All faiths contain sacred values condemning violence and harm to others (particularly for
Hindus and Buddhists, this extends to all living things), being charitable, and protecting
the vulnerable. Future generations are important to all faith groups. Climate change is
a developing issue with no clear beginning or end, so this narrative places it within the
intergenerational timeline of respect for both those who came before us and those yet
unborn.
However… be careful with language
Be careful using the word ‘justice’. Justice is a complex concept with multiple meanings
which will not work with all audiences. The word ‘justice’ has strong Abrahamic overtones and
performed poorly with Hindu and Buddhist participants. Also, when applied to ‘social justice’
for the poor, it has a left-wing resonance that may work poorly with people of conservative
politics.
Avoid ‘psychological distancing’. People often sub-consciously seek to disengage from
the issue by viewing it as an issue affecting other people in other places.7 Language about
harm to the vulnerable or future generations could create a false separation between ‘us’
and the future ‘victims’ of climate change. So use the present tense (it is harming) rather
than the future (it will harm). Language about impacts on other groups in other parts of the
world, however sincere, can also enable people to distance it, so stress that climate change is
already affecting everyone in our own communities and countries.
Avoid arguments that inaction is wrong/evil. People of faith appear to regard inaction on
climate change as ignorant or weak but not expressly sinful. Although they accepted the
moral narrative that action is the right thing to do, most workshop participants also rejected
the opposite language: that inaction on climate change is wrong or distances us from God
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2024-09-24 at 1:52 PM UTCI'm just sharing in the joy of love to our plant and the season of creation as per instructions on the season of creation website itself #SeasonOfCreation click here to share on social media!
https://lutheranworld.org/resources/publication-season-creation-celebration-guide-2024
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2024-09-24 at 1:54 PM UTCbased
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2024-09-24 at 1:58 PM UTC
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2024-09-24 at 1:59 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe Again, there is no "need" to remove the bad apple from the barrel. Who cares if it destroys the rest? The world is the way it is, and there is no need for it to be any other way.
Again? You said "deserve" now you've change it to "need"...not the same thing...you're playing word games.
There is a natural order to the universe, physics, chemistry and biology etc...these have "rules" (rules in the sense that humans can understand and talk about them...not rules as in someone made a decision).
The "rule" of life is that it survives and flourishes (as far as our tiny human minds can again, understand and communicate it). This is one of the great unknowns...is it by intelligent design or just "dumb luck"...my feeling is the latter. Evolution is a good example of "dumb luck"...many branches of life on Earth have been tried and the VAST majority have failed.
99% of all species that ever lived are already extinct...that points to dumb luck rather than intelligent design. So no one species "deserves" or "needs" to live...the apple doesn't "need" to be removed from the barrel...but if the intent is for life to thrive then it's in the interests of the "apples" that the bad one be removed.
ETA: Humans being the bad apple in the barrel of life on Earth. -
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