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Thr Surgery That Proved There Is No Free Will

  1. 2024-09-05 at 5:05 PM UTC
    #61
    Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by Obbe Maybe people are irredeemably corrupt, therefore FOUR LEGS GOOD, TWO LEGS BAD.

    ?
  2. 2024-09-05 at 5:13 PM UTC
    #62
    ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Black Hole
    A bird walks on two legs, but that doesn't make birds bad.
  3. 2024-09-05 at 5:30 PM UTC
    #63
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by Lanny ?

    This phrase, which occurs in Chapter III, constitutes Snowball’s condensation of the Seven Commandments of Animalism, which themselves serve as abridgments of Old Major’s stirring speech on the need for animal unity in the face of human oppression. The phrase instances one of the novel’s many moments of propagandizing, which Orwell portrays as one example of how the elite class abuses language to control the lower classes. Although the slogan seems to help the animals achieve their goal at first, enabling them to clarify in their minds the principles that they support, it soon becomes a meaningless sound bleated by the sheep (“two legs baa-d”), serving no purpose other than to drown out dissenting opinion. By the end of the novel, as the propagandistic needs of the leadership change, the pigs alter the chant to the similar-sounding but completely antithetical “Four legs good, two legs better.”

    I'm suggesting that perhaps mankind is irredeemably corrupt, and therefore would not ever be able to achieve the dream of social utopia.

    This is not necessarily my personal opinion, just an argument.
  4. 2024-09-05 at 5:35 PM UTC
    #64
    ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Black Hole
    Without The Creator's guidance and wisdom, man is doomed. He just doesn't quite realize it yet, but he's finding out.
  5. 2024-09-05 at 6:57 PM UTC
    #65
    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
  6. 2024-09-05 at 7:03 PM UTC
    #66
    Speedy Parker Black Hole [my absentmindedly lachrymatory gazania]
    Originally posted by Lanny The irony here is that it’s actually the capitalist mode that is fundamentally predicated on the alienation of labor.



    Originally posted by Speedy Parker Those espousing support for Socialism/Communism have failed to study history or understand the core driving motivations responsible for human innovations and progress.

    Results not intentions are what matters. The Jamestown settlement is a textbook comparison between the results of community ownership versus private ownership.
  7. 2024-09-05 at 7:52 PM UTC
    #67
    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    Originally posted by Fluttershy “He who does not work does not eat” 90% of this board would starve to death under communism. Then it would just be speedy and fona atop a pile of skulls.
    So you're saying that in a capitalist system those who do not work can eat? And how is this better than communism exactly?
    https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/murray-bookchin-post-scarcity-anarchism-book
    https://zinelibrary.c4ss.org/media/The%20Free%20Market%20As%20Full%20Communism.pdf
    https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/fully-automated-luxury-communism-review
  8. 2024-09-05 at 9:43 PM UTC
    #68
    Fluttershy Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood So you're saying that in a capitalist system those who do not work can eat? And how is this better than communism exactly?
    https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/murray-bookchin-post-scarcity-anarchism-book
    https://zinelibrary.c4ss.org/media/The%20Free%20Market%20As%20Full%20Communism.pdf
    https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/fully-automated-luxury-communism-review
    It was a tongue in cheek joke, not a serious criticism of communism.
    If you need a serious criticism to see why you’re retarded then that serious criticism is probably only a tenth of what you need to not be retarded.
    Numsain?
  9. 2024-09-05 at 9:55 PM UTC
    #69
    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    You're supposed to say "Yes, a system where those who do not work can eat is superior to a system where those do not work cannot eat" and I would say AHA!!!!

    SO YOU ADMIT THAT A CAPITALIST SYSTEM DOES NOT HAVE THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF EVERYONE BEING AS PRODUCTIVE AS POSSIBLE AND HAVING A JOB AS LONG AS THE SYSTEM PERPETUATES AND EXISTS AND EVERYONE IS FED IT DOESN'T MATTER IF NOBODY EVER WORKS EVER AND THEY JUST LIVE IN SPACE IN A POST SCARCITY SYSTEM AND GET FAT AND ONLY CONCERN THEMSELVES WITH ART SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY which is THE GOALS OF A POST CAPITALIST SYSTEM i.E COMMUNISM so actually you admit that communist marxist theory is correct

    fukkn REDK~!
  10. 2024-09-05 at 10:10 PM UTC
    #70
    ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Black Hole
    Most people would die within weeks if the power grid went down and didn't come back up.
  11. 2024-09-05 at 10:21 PM UTC
    #71
    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Most people would die within weeks if the power grid went down and didn't come back up.

    I would thrive and become more powerful than ever

    I would have an industrial grade drug lab up and running within a month churning out mass quantities of life saving medication, LSD, cancer drugs and FUCKING OVERPRICED EPIPENS which I would all give out for free if you listened to my hour long sermons/rants out of a former pizza hut turned into an AI church with a pizza oven in the front and an LLM in the basement where all the local imporvershed village people would come to recharge their batteries and I would have to point a sharp stick at them to keep them away from the nuclear reactor in the basement
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/08/op-ed-how-i-gave-up-alternating-current/
  12. 2024-09-05 at 10:43 PM UTC
    #72
    Fluttershy Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood You're supposed to say "Yes, a system where those who do not work can eat is superior to a system where those do not work cannot eat" and I would say AHA!!!!

    SO YOU ADMIT THAT A CAPITALIST SYSTEM DOES NOT HAVE THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF EVERYONE BEING AS PRODUCTIVE AS POSSIBLE AND HAVING A JOB AS LONG AS THE SYSTEM PERPETUATES AND EXISTS AND EVERYONE IS FED IT DOESN'T MATTER IF NOBODY EVER WORKS EVER AND THEY JUST LIVE IN SPACE IN A POST SCARCITY SYSTEM AND GET FAT AND ONLY CONCERN THEMSELVES WITH ART SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY which is THE GOALS OF A POST CAPITALIST SYSTEM i.E COMMUNISM so actually you admit that communist marxist theory is correct

    fukkn REDK~!

    It doesn’t matter. If I grow a tomato that tomato is mine and I will kill you if you try to take it.
    It’s always the one’s who’ve never produced a fruit of their labor that want to redistribute the fruits of others. Always. And if that’s not you then it’s the faggot you vote for.
    The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
  13. 2024-09-05 at 10:46 PM UTC
    #73
    ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Black Hole
    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood I would thrive and become more powerful than ever

    I would have an industrial grade drug lab up and running within a month churning out mass quantities of life saving medication, LSD, cancer drugs and FUCKING OVERPRICED EPIPENS which I would all give out for free if you listened to my hour long sermons/rants out of a former pizza hut turned into an AI church with a pizza oven in the front and an LLM in the basement where all the local imporvershed village people would come to recharge their batteries and I would have to point a sharp stick at them to keep them away from the nuclear reactor in the basement
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/08/op-ed-how-i-gave-up-alternating-current/

    Within just months, people would resort to eating their own children.
  14. 2024-09-05 at 10:47 PM UTC
    #74
    Fluttershy Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood I would thrive and become more powerful than ever

    I would have an industrial grade drug lab up and running within a month churning out mass quantities of life saving medication, LSD, cancer drugs and FUCKING OVERPRICED EPIPENS which I would all give out for free if you listened to my hour long sermons/rants out of a former pizza hut turned into an AI church with a pizza oven in the front and an LLM in the basement where all the local imporvershed village people would come to recharge their batteries and I would have to point a sharp stick at them to keep them away from the nuclear reactor in the basement
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/08/op-ed-how-i-gave-up-alternating-current/

    Scron you would die quicker than any of us with your penis in the ass of another man. I’d like to see you build a potato clock let alone a nuclear reactor.
  15. 2024-09-05 at 10:50 PM UTC
    #75
    ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Black Hole
    Originally posted by Fluttershy Scron you would die quicker than any of us with your penis in the ass of another man. I’d like to see you build a potato clock let alone a nuclear reactor.

    Hey, he burned down his own house and drove his family out and then lived in the burned out husk of the house for years. He's been around the block a few times.
  16. 2024-09-05 at 10:51 PM UTC
    #76
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by Fluttershy It doesn’t matter. If I grow a tomato that tomato is mine and I will kill you if you try to take it.
    It’s always the one’s who’ve never produced a fruit of their labor that want to redistribute the fruits of others. Always. And if that’s not you then it’s the faggot you vote for.

    You stole that fruit from the plant.
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  17. 2024-09-05 at 10:52 PM UTC
    #77
    Fluttershy Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Hey, he burned down his own house and drove his family out and then lived in the burned out husk of the house for years. He's been around the block a few times.

    I take it back he sounds like a real knowledgeable engineer
  18. 2024-09-05 at 10:53 PM UTC
    #78
    Fluttershy Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by Obbe You stole that fruit from the plant.

    The fruit exists to spread its seed. All I did was fuck with the plant. So I could spread its seed with my ass
  19. 2024-09-05 at 11:06 PM UTC
    #79
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by Fluttershy The fruit exists to spread its seed.

    There is no reason anything exists.
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  20. 2024-09-05 at 11:12 PM UTC
    #80
    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    Originally posted by Fluttershy It doesn’t matter. If I grow a tomato that tomato is mine and I will kill you if you try to take it.

    I don't really understand Marxist theory very well. I thought for some reason this statement wouldn't conflict with Marxist theory but according to the AI it does. I don't really have a defense for this as I am not a Marxist and I have no idea what Marxist apologetics look like. Gonna need Lanny or Tacho to chime in here to defend this one.
    🌮🦸‍♀️ НЕБЕЗПЕКА: МАШИННО ЗГЕНЕРОВАНИЙ ВМІСТ 💀🤖
    "It doesn’t matter. If I grow a tomato that tomato is mine and I will kill you if you try to take it" does conflict with Marxist theory. Marxism advocates for collective ownership of the means of production, including land and agriculture. The individualistic notion of personal property, especially with violent protection of that property, aligns more with capitalist and private property rights, which Marxist theory criticizes. In Marxism, the focus is on communal ownership and the idea that production should be shared by all. The tomato, in this case, would be seen as a product of collective labor or communal resources rather than the sole possession of the individual who grew it. Violently defending personal property suggests a belief in private ownership over communal sharing, which is contrary to Marxist ideals of collective welfare and distribution of resources.
    “‘No’ says the man in Washington, it belongs to the poor. ‘No’ says the man in the Vatican, it belongs to God. ‘No’ says the man in Moscow, it belongs to everyone.”
    I have no idea why "owning" a tomato is bad but my guess is that because Communism is supposed to come AFTER Capitalism in a post capitalist system with the ultimate goal of post scarcity, so if you are taking a tomato in such a system logically it must be theft and being a traitor to the revolution or whatever. But in a true post scarcity system you wouldn't be growing a tomato in the first place, and it remains to question where you would get the seeds, dirt, water etc if you were in a space station owned by communists for example could you really grow a tomato and own it?

    This raises some fundamental questions which I think are addressed well in works such as Ayn Rand's "Anthem"
    Continuing his scientific work, Equality 7-2521 rediscovers electricity. In the ruins of the tunnel, he finds a glass box with wires that gives off light when he passes electricity through it. He decides to take his discovery to the World Council of Scholars; he thinks such a great gift to mankind will outweigh his many transgressions and lead to him being made a Scholar. However, one night, his absence from the Home of the Street Sweepers is noticed. He is whipped and held in the Palace of Corrective Detention. The night before the World Council of Scholars is set to meet, he easily escapes; there are no guards because no one has ever attempted escape before. The next day, he presents his work to the World Council of Scholars. Horrified that he has done unauthorized research, they assail him as a "wretch" and a "gutter cleaner" and say he must be punished. They want to destroy his discovery so it will not disrupt the plans of the World Council and the Department of Candles. Equality 7-2521 seizes the box, cursing the council before fleeing into the Uncharted Forest that lies outside the city.
    Originally posted by totse2118 when society bans lightbulbs and one man dares to light a bulb they cast him out to the woods with no electricity and goes fuck now I can't make lightbulbs anymore, just like what happened to that other tree guy
    I think the dude in the Vatican is probably right and the Tomato does belong to God ultimately so all this fussing and fighting over left and right doesn't jive with Jah, man *tokes*
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