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Thr Surgery That Proved There Is No Free Will
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2024-09-05 at 12:06 AM UTC
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2024-09-05 at 12:13 AM UTC
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2024-09-05 at 12:57 AM UTC
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2024-09-05 at 1:08 AM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe How can we be “free” as conscious agents if everything that we consciously intend is caused by events in our brain that we do not intend and of which we are entirely unaware?
Why do you assume it's unidirectional -- that we are solely the products of processes, and not part of the process? Why do you believe we need to have fine-grained control over every individual chemical event that occurs within the confines of our skulls to exert control over what's going on in there? It's true that there are constraints on our freedom -- we are not the omniscient, omnipotent rulers of our bodies -- but it seems rather silly to believe that implies an absence of free will. Silly in a way analogous to someone saying "how can we be living in a free society if I can't rape and murder?" It's not even that it's wrong to ask that! We really aren't perfectly free in our free society.
We are imperfectly free in all regards, but we are still meaningfully free. 🤔 -
2024-09-05 at 1:11 AM UTCThat our bodies can act without "our" input does not imply they always are!
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2024-09-05 at 1:20 AM UTCYour existence itself is actually exclusive, in a kind of quantum prison. The matrix you experience is customized to yourself alone. Everything out there, for you, is real, but it's not real on the global level. All the people you meet, the places you go, the experiences you live, are all part of the matrix which has been customized for you alone. For the next being, it's totally different. They experience reality totally different than you do. Sometimes those flows and eddies intersect, so you get artifacts resulting from that interaction. You are really alone, just you, inside a kind of echo chamber. How you think, the way you behave, the things you experience, all go into how the quantum chamber responds to you alone.
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2024-09-05 at 1:21 AM UTC
Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Your existence itself is actually exclusive, in a kind of quantum prison. The matrix you experience is customized to yourself alone. Everything out there, for you, is real, but it's not real on the global level. All the people you meet, the places you go, the experiences you live, are all part of the matrix which has been customized for you alone. For the next being, it's totally different. They experience reality totally different than you do. Sometimes those flows and eddies intersect, so you get artifacts resulting from that interaction. You are really alone, just you, inside a kind of echo chamber. How you think, the way you behave, the things you experience, all go into how the quantum chamber responds to you alone.
Wow, that's crazy. -
2024-09-05 at 2:17 AM UTCCompatibilism amounts to nothing more than an assertion of the following creed: A puppet is free as long as he loves his strings.
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2024-09-05 at 2:32 AM UTCDo you see what I see?
Truth is an offense
Your silence for your confidence
Do you hear what I hear?
Doors are slamming shut
Limit your imagination
Keep you where they must
Do you feel what I feel?
Bittering distress
Who decides what you express?
Do you take what I take?
Endurance is the word
Moving back instead of forward seems to me absurd
Doesn’t matter what you see
Or into it what you read
You can do it your own way
If it’s done just how I say
Independence limited
Freedom of choice
Choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech
Speech is words that they will bend
Freedom, with their exception
Do you fear what I fear?
Living properly
Truths to you are lies to me
Do you choose what I choose?
More alternatives
Energy derives from both the plus and negative
Do you need what I need?
Boundaries overthrown
Look inside, to each his own
Do you trust what I trust?
Me, myself and I
Penetrate the smoke screen
I see through the selfish lie
Doesn’t matter what you see
Or into it what you read
You can do it your own way
If it’s done just how I say
Independence limited
Freedom of choice
Choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech
Speech is words that they will bend
Freedom, with their exception
Do you know what I know?
Your money and your wealth
Your silence just to hear yourself
Do you want what I want?
Desire not a thing
I hunger after independence
Lengthen freedom’s ring
Doesn’t matter what you see
Or into it what you read
You can do it your own way
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2024-09-05 at 2:37 AM UTCTiger got to hunt,
Bird got to fly;
Man got to sit and wonder, "Why, why, why?"
Tiger got to sleep,
Bird got to land;
Man got to tell himself he understand. -
2024-09-05 at 2:38 AM UTC
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2024-09-05 at 2:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ In the communist paradise, all the kids get an A+.
Even in the USSR (not communism, in case it needs to be said) this wasn't true and academics were very much a merit based system, sans a level of background racism and nepotism that would feel entirely natural in a western liberal democracy. -
2024-09-05 at 2:34 PM UTCWithout the ability to keep the fruit of their own labor people produce less fruit.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"
This means people do not get to keep the fruit of their own labor.
College makes you dumb. -
2024-09-05 at 2:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by Speedy Parker Without the ability to keep the fruit of their own labor people produce less fruit.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"
This means people do not get to keep the fruit of their own labor.
College makes you dumb.
“He who does not work does not eat” 90% of this board would starve to death under communism. Then it would just be speedy and fona atop a pile of skulls. -
2024-09-05 at 2:42 PM UTCOh and bradley he’s working now too. It’d be a real sausage fest guys you don’t want that.
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2024-09-05 at 3:42 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fluttershy “He who does not work does not eat” 90% of this board would starve to death under communism. Then it would just be speedy and fona atop a pile of skulls.
Those espousing support for Socialism/Communism have failed to study history or understand the core driving motivations responsible for human innovations and progress.
Results not intentions are what matters. The Jamestown settlement is a textbook comparison between the results of community ownership versus private ownership.Socialism at Jamestown
Four hundred years ago 105 men and boys disembarked from three ships and established the first permanent English settlement in North America. They built a fort along what they called the James River, in honor of their king.
The land was lush and fertile, yet within three years most of the colonists died during what came to be known as “the starving time.” Only the establishment of private property saved the Jamestown colony.
What went wrong? There were the usual hardships of pioneers far from home, such as unfamiliar diseases. There were mixed relations with the Indians already living in Virginia. Sometimes the Indians and settlers traded, other times armed conflicts broke out. But according to a governor of the colony, George Percy, most of the colonists died of famine, despite the “good and fruitful” soil, the abundant deer and turkey, and the “strawberries, raspberries and fruits unknown” growing wild.
The problem was the lack of private property. As Tom Bethell writes in his book The Noblest Triumph: Property and Prosperity through the Ages, “The colonists were indolent because most of them were indentured servants, expected to toil for seven years and contribute the fruits of their labor to the common store.”
Understandably, men who don’t benefit from their hard work tend not to work very hard.
But a new governor arrived and instituted a system of private property.
And then, the Virginia historian Matthew Page Andrews wrote, “As soon as the settlers were thrown upon their own resources, and each freeman had acquired the right of owning property, the colonists quickly developed what became the distinguishing characteristic of Americans – an aptitude for all kinds of craftsmanship coupled with an innate genius for experimentation and invention.” -
2024-09-05 at 3:46 PM UTC
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2024-09-05 at 4:51 PM UTC
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2024-09-05 at 5 PM UTC
Originally posted by Speedy Parker Without the ability to keep the fruit of their own labor people produce less fruit.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"
This means people do not get to keep the fruit of their own labor.
College makes you dumb.
The irony here is that it’s actually the capitalist mode that is fundamentally predicated on the alienation of labor.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2024-09-05 at 5:03 PM UTC
