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  1. #81
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by ner vegas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ewen_Cameron#MKULTRA_Subproject_68

    What did MKUltra teach us about ourselves?
  2. #82
    Originally posted by Obbe I've read that some people can be more susceptible to it.

    The irony...
  3. #83
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    The research that has been done suggests just about everybody can fall for a cult, though you are right that some people are more susceptible than others. It's mostly about targeting people who are in a life situation that makes them vulnerable (loneliness, recent loss, a falling out with family or friends, midlife crisis, etc.).
  4. #84
    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson The irony…

    He has a total and complete lack of self-awareness.
  5. #85
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Cults come in all form and shapes. Some are just more obvious to you because they’re not made for you.

    Everyone can fall for a cult that’s tailored for them.

    They appeal to your desires with shiny ideas and rituals, and then find an acceptable way for you to reject critical thinking. Then they tell you that people that don’t share the accepted philosophies are worthless or evil and should be avoided, or that talking to them would make you impure. So to preserve your purity and avoid being banned by your peers, you follow the cults rules, you repeat their words and you shut down your ability to think by yourself.

    And without realizing it, you’ve imprisoned yourself in a cell for the mind.
  6. #86
    Originally posted by Obbe Can the brainwashed person do anything to get their freewill back again?

    yes

    Originally posted by Obbe How do you verify someone has lost their freewill, and isn't just parroting a narrative?

    the BITE model *CRUNCH*
  7. #87
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Brainwashing does not involve the loss of the core of individual liberty. It does not involve the loss of free will. Brainwashing does not directly control or negate a person's free will, but rather it strongly influences the basis from which a person forms their will. After brainwashing, free will itself remains intact, but its basis has changed.

    It is a person's belief system and worldview which largely determine a person's free will. A person's belief system is the basis from which they make their choices and decisions. If you can influence and change a person's beliefs and worldview, then you can change a person's will, and therefore those aspects of their behaviour which are subject to free will.

    In other words, free will is not an absolute, but is somewhat dependent on causes outside of itself.

    http://www.ex-cult.org/fwbo/FW_v_BW.htm
  8. #88
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Ever wonder why cults are not illegal?
  9. #89
    Originally posted by Obbe Cults come in all form and shapes. Some are just more obvious to you because they’re not made for you.

    Everyone can fall for a cult that’s tailored for them.

    They appeal to your desires with shiny ideas and rituals, and then find an acceptable way for you to reject critical thinking. Then they tell you that people that don’t share the accepted philosophies are worthless or evil and should be avoided, or that talking to them would make you impure. So to preserve your purity and avoid being banned by your peers, you follow the cults rules, you repeat their words and you shut down your ability to think by yourself.

    And without realizing it, you’ve imprisoned yourself in a cell for the mind.

    Sounds like you and your climate cult.
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  10. #90
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Thoguh smoe cnouitres have otualewd spcefiic oragnztniaios, few if any contuiers hvae lwas aaignst clut taictcs, and thrfeeore cluts in genearl are not iiniehbtd, touhgh speciifc clut oariagnioztns may be.

    The lveres of gvroeenmnt are puelld by the gloablsit ultra rcih 1% and tehn bgohut up all mnastiream mdeia to take teihr fnidings goalbl and beign msas mind coontrl thourgh mnasietarm mdeia.

    So don’t expcet gvorenmnet to proetct you form cltus or mass mnid cnotrol. Gvorenments (and eeispcally the golbalist ultra rcih 1% cntooirllng goeevrnmnts) are more liekly to eoxiplt and tirck you tahn svae you form exploittaion and trckiery.
  11. #91
    .ʎɹǝᴉʞɔɹʇ puɐ uoᴉɐʇʇᴉoʅdxǝ ɯɹoⅎ noʎ ǝɐʌs uɥɐʇ noʎ ʞɔɹᴉʇ puɐ ʇʅdᴉxoǝ oʇ ʎʅʞǝᴉʅ ǝɹoɯ ǝɹɐ (sʇuɯuɹʌǝǝoƃ ƃuʅʅɹᴉooʇuɔ %⇂ ɥᴉɔɹ ɐɹʇʅn ʇsᴉʅɐqʅoƃ ǝɥʇ ʎʅʅɐɔdsᴉǝǝ puɐ) sʇuǝɯuǝɹoʌ⅁ .ʅoɹʇouɔ pᴉuɯ ssɐɯ ɹo snʇʅɔ ɯɹoⅎ noʎ ʇɔʇǝoɹd oʇ ʇǝuɯuǝɹoʌƃ ʇǝɔdxǝ ʇ’uop oS

    .ɐᴉǝpɯ ɯɹɐʇǝᴉsɐuɯ ɥƃɹnoɥʇ ʅɹʇuooɔ puᴉɯ sɐsɯ uƃᴉǝq puɐ ʅqʅɐoƃ sƃuᴉpᴉuⅎ ɹɥᴉǝʇ ǝʞɐʇ oʇ ɐᴉǝpɯ ɯɐǝɹᴉʇsɐuɯ ʅʅɐ dn ʇnɥoƃq uɥǝʇ puɐ %⇂ ɥᴉɔɹ ɐɹʇʅn ʇᴉsʅqɐoʅƃ ǝɥʇ ʎq pʅʅǝnd ǝɹɐ ʇuɯuǝǝoɹʌƃ ⅎo sǝɹǝʌʅ ǝɥꓕ

    .ǝq ʎɐɯ suʇzoᴉuƃɐᴉɹɐo ʇnʅɔ ɔⅎᴉᴉɔǝds ɥƃɥnoʇ ʻpʇqɥǝᴉuᴉᴉ ʇou ǝɹɐ ʅɹɐǝuǝƃ uᴉ sʇnʅɔ ǝɹoǝǝⅎɹɥʇ puɐ ʻsɔʇɔᴉɐʇ ʇnʅɔ ʇsuƃᴉɐɐ sɐʍʅ ǝɐʌɥ sɹǝᴉnʇuoɔ ʎuɐ ⅎᴉ ʍǝⅎ ʻsoᴉɐᴉuʇzuƃɐɹo ɔᴉᴉⅎǝɔds pʍǝʅɐnʇo ǝʌɐɥ sǝɹʇᴉnouɔ ǝoɯs ɥnƃoɥꓕ
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  12. #92
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Just because one does not approve of the conduct does not make it illegal. These are exactly the kinds of activities protected by the First Amendment. A religious adherent’s engaging in activities that may seem odd or inappropriate to those outside of that belief system cannot be stopped simply because they are distasteful to others. Activities such as brainwashing may seem like they should be illegal, but “brainwashing” is actually a highly subjective term and thus, not widely regulated. If one consents to undergo the activity that might lead to the behavior modification, they have not been victimized anymore than someone who sees a hypnotherapist for help to quit smoking or lose weight has been brainwashed.
  13. #93
    Originally posted by Obbe Just because one does not approve of the conduct does not make it illegal. These are exactly the kinds of activities protected by the First Amendment. A religious adherent’s engaging in activities that may seem odd or inappropriate to those outside of that belief system cannot be stopped simply because they are distasteful to others. Activities such as brainwashing may seem like they should be illegal, but “brainwashing” is actually a highly subjective term and thus, not widely regulated. If one consents to undergo the activity that might lead to the behavior modification, they have not been victimized anymore than someone who sees a hypnotherapist for help to quit smoking or lose weight has been brainwashed.

    What are your views on the Ministry of Truth?
  14. #94
    ner vegas African Astronaut
    Originally posted by Obbe What did MKUltra teach us about ourselves?

    anything can be broken
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  15. #95
    Elbow Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by ner vegas anything can be broken

  16. #96
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ What are your views on the Ministry of Truth?

    I don't approve of their conduct.
  17. #97
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by ner vegas anything can be broken

    Do you know if there are groups still experimenting with mind control similar to what we've been told about MKUltra?
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  19. #99
    Kinks Actually pretty straight [bitch the twenty-second stewpan]
    Originally posted by Obbe Do you know if there are groups still experimenting with mind control similar to what we've been told about MKUltra?

    I imagine there are at least a few ppl in the world locked in basements getting experimented/tortured upon in our day and age
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  20. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by Kinks I imagine there are at least a few ppl in the world locked in basements getting experimented/tortured upon in our day and age

    Might not even have to travel to a basement. Today, the brainwashing comes to you.
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