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Another Elon Musk rip off
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Bad idea, or legit?
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2023-10-13 at 12:40 AM UTCWhat about spacex did he do that one or nah?
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2023-10-13 at 12:51 AM UTCTo the best of my knowledge Elon Musk didn't invent Tesla or SpaceX. I mean, he didn't invent the products these companies are making.
What he did is that he associated with or put together a bunch of highly skilled people who were working on these products more or less (Martin Eberhard and his team for Tesla, Tom Mueller for SpaceX). When a capitalist gives a pot of money to the founder of a business, to fund its growth, it is in return for a percentage ownership of that company — often a controlling 51%, or sometimes even 100%, as an outright purchase of the business, buying the founder out entirely. Think Shark Tank. The capitalist is buying a lot more than a name. -
2023-10-13 at 12:59 AM UTC
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2023-10-13 at 1:05 AM UTC
Originally posted by Haxxor What he did is that he associated with or put together a bunch of highly skilled people who were working on these products more or less (Martin Eberhard and his team for Tesla, Tom Mueller for SpaceX).
But that’s what they all do isn’t it? If people were rewarded for doing the most work or being the smartest then all billionaires would be scientists and construction workers.
I’m not saying he’s an unprecedented genius, and I already acknowledged he was born from money. But he’s definitely, actually intelligent. He’s not an idiot. There’s plenty of billionaires that are just dumb guys who got really good at counting beans and ordering people around but have no idea how their companies ACTUALLY work. At least Elon has some technical knowledge. Not on the level of the smartest people he employs, but enough to talk shop.
Anyway the whole thing just reminds me of when Louis CK got canceled and everyone started saying he was never even a good comedian… but like a couple weeks ago he was a legend and one of the funniest ever? Now he’s not even good? Like wtf.
Same thing with Elon everyone loved him for the electric cars and shit, then he went anti-vax during COVID and bought Twitter and now he’s a retarded neo-nazi. That’s just not the reality imo -
2023-10-13 at 1:11 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra got any data on that? outside of smoothing I can't find anything except 'reduced power consumption' on marketing collateral
https://ustpower.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/UST_White_Paper_Voltage_Optimization_v1dot1.pdf
vendor reports that their testing (as well as peer-reviewed stuff) indicates 'voltage optimisation' only reduces power consumption by 0.5-4%, and only in situations with devices where they require a spike of power to start up and less to maintain like neon/fluorescent lights and large AC motors. the claims of 30%+ power usage reduction are completely unrealistic outside of maybe some very specific circumstances -
2023-10-13 at 2:23 AM UTC
Originally posted by Haxxor Did some research, which wasn’t easy since the majority of “informational” sites were “sponsored” or personal reviews.
I did find this and it seems legit:
https://malwaretips.com/blogs/stop-watt-scam/
The Stop Watt scam relies on exaggerated and false claims about its energy-saving capabilities. Here are some of the deceptive tactics used by Stop Watt marketers:
Claim: Stop Watt reduces your electricity bill by stabilizing voltage
The Stop Watt website and ads claim the device “stabilizes your home’s electrical current” and fixes voltage fluctuations that waste electricity.
The truth: Home voltage fluctuations have no impact on electricity usage. Stop Watt does nothing to stabilize voltage or current in your home. Any small variations in home voltage are already smoothed out by your existing electrical system and appliances.
Claim: Stop Watt reduces “idle electricity” waste
Stop Watt ads claim the device reduces “idle electricity” – energy wasted by electronics when turned off or in standby mode.
The truth: There is no way Stop Watt could impact idle electricity usage across all your home electronics and appliances. Any minor reduction would be negligible. Unplugging devices or using smart power strips are far more effective ways to reduce idle power waste.
Claim: Stop Watt protects electronics from power surges
The ads suggest Stop Watt will protect your expensive electronics like TVs and computers from power surges and electrical damage.
The truth: At best, Stop Watt contains a very basic surge protector. But most homes already have much more sophisticated surge protectors, backups, and other devices to protect from electrical spikes. Stop Watt offers no meaningful protection.
Claim: Developed by Tech Billionaires
Stop Watt is touted as being developed by tech billionaires like Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and Mark Cuban.
The truth: There is zero evidence that Stop Watt has anything to do with these tech titans. There are no proven ties or endorsements. Just fake ads using celebrity names and images without permission.
Claim: Featured on Trusted News Sites
To add legitimacy, Stop Watt ads use logos of reputable news sites like CNN, ABC, USA Today, and Fox News – implying these outlets have featured favorable reports on Stop Watt.
The truth: These trusted news sites have never reported on Stop Watt. The logos are used without permission to try and establish credibility.
Claim: Real Customer Reviews & Testimonials
The Stop Watt website and ads highlight glowing reviews and dramatic testimonials from supposed satisfied customers.
The truth: The reviews are completely fabricated. The people depicted do not exist – their images are stock photos. The stories of 90% savings are totally made up.
Plus I trust anything with a picture of Elon Musk about as much as I believe what Trump says on any given day.
Oh aha I probably should have read this thread.
No plugging a thing into the wall is not going to lower your energy bill, and if it somehow could, it wouldn't be by much. Unless you build the version shown in this video. That'll save you a ton. -
2023-10-13 at 2:28 AM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Yeah that’s not how electricity works. There’s absolutely no way something like this will reduce your bill by 40%, and I’m willing to bet it has nothing to do with Elon Musk.
I mean I don’t even know HOW something like this would work. Your bill comes from the load drawn by your appliances. Like if it’s a 1200 watt microwave, it’s going to draw 1200 watts while in use lol. Something plugged in the wall somewhere else wouldn’t change that. I guess it might be referring to loss by waste heat or something but again I don’t see how this thing could possibly reduce that even by 1% let alone 40.
It’s a scam
It might divirt power from unused sources and either block it or store it but I can't see the device doing that for so cheaply and can't see it making that much of a difference -
2023-10-13 at 12:41 PM UTCThat's probably deepfake elon musk in the pic.
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2023-10-13 at 2:14 PM UTCit's the real Elon and he's more of a success than ANY of you ever will be. Don't plug his face into the wall, enjoy being poor. This is a no brainer money saver. JUst like when they invented flying they all said "that's dumb" thats you right nowThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-10-13 at 2:19 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox What the fuck are you talking about? Nobody is talking about inverters, the question is how is a device you plug in the wall going to change how much usage your meter sees? Just admit you don’t know what you’re talking about and move on.
answer the damm question.
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2023-10-13 at 2:19 PM UTCI shall henceforth lodge one of these energy saving devices deep within my anal cavity when I'm trying to conserve energy for a later time, where I will then remove it accordingly, and suck out the stored up energy reserves, essentially Bruce Bannering myself into the Hulk and fucking shit up. Bug brain moves. Ding ding ding dingThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-10-13 at 2:28 PM UTC
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2023-10-13 at 3:18 PM UTC
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2023-10-13 at 3:37 PM UTC...can't be transmitted across long distances without losing power?
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2023-10-13 at 3:40 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sudo It might divirt power from unused sources and either block it or store it but I can't see the device doing that for so cheaply and can't see it making that much of a difference
I'm pretty sure the idea is just that it cleans up the wave function so there are no weird spikes along the sine wave, and the idea is that over time this balances out to absurd savings. Basically de-noising your power so you don't "pay for the noise". Which... according to that video I posted, you can accomplish with a capacitor, but also wouldn't save you money.
Basically these devices are all scams, and some of them are legitimately dangerous - bigclivedotcom did a teardown of one a year or two ago, and I can't remember the specifics but it was either a fire or death by electrocution waiting to happen. They're just shitty plastic shells that probably started life as plug-in carbon monoxide detectors or the like, with random circuits jammed inside and a little LED that lights up to assure you that it's "working". And those random circuits don't have to pass any safety tests - so long as the little LED turns on to sell the illusion, the chinks making them couldn't care less if they burst into flames or fry your grandkids.
To my knowledge they've only ever gotten so bad as to be maliciously negligent scams, but I wouldn't be surprised if they started marketing IoT versions of these that phoned home with all your private data. The scam clearly works, there are people silly enough to buy these things, and so far they're a relatively untapped well of stupidity. You could take so much more advantage of them. -
2023-10-13 at 3:50 PM UTC
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2023-10-13 at 4:26 PM UTC"Whenever power has to be transmitted over long distances, DC transmission is the most economical solution compared to high-voltage AC. HVDC transmission losses are quoted as less than 3% per 1,000 km, which are 30 to 40% less than with AC lines, at the same voltage levels."
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2023-10-13 at 4:47 PM UTCThe power your device declines through the capacitor is returned to the electricity company to sell again, even though you've already paid for it at your meter.
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2023-10-13 at 5:01 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kawkasian "Whenever power has to be transmitted over long distances, DC transmission is the most economical solution compared to high-voltage AC. HVDC transmission losses are quoted as less than 3% per 1,000 km, which are 30 to 40% less than with AC lines, at the same voltage levels."
Low voltage DC is inefficient though.
https://engineering.stackexchange.com/questions/19758/transmitting-power-over-long-distances-what-is-better-ac-or-dc#
basically it seems that DC eats significant power loss over long distances unless it's in the megavolt range. it's potentially more efficient to transmit extremely high voltages in DC rather than AC, but then you run into two problems:
1. existing infrastructure is not designed for that so you'd have to convert back to AC for local grids and
2. it is both expensive and inefficient to convert HVDC back to AC, or if we were to switch to a purely DC grid it'd also be both expensive and inefficient to step it down to usable voltages unless you ran 750kv directly to homes
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2023-10-13 at 5:37 PM UTCMy power saving device is an extension cord I run into my neighbor's houseThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
