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2023-10-12 at 7:21 PM UTC
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2023-10-12 at 7:27 PM UTC
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2023-10-12 at 8:18 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kawkasian Well there's the bullshit hyperloop that never happened…
everyone likes to pretend that never happened lmao
hyperloop went from being a maglev in the world's largest vacuum chamber to being tunnels for tesla drivers to drive in
makes me wonder though, i mean it's definitely *possible*, just prohibitively expensive and risk prone - if the government had thrown fistfuls of money at him like they did to get all his successful projects off the ground, the hyperloop could have been really cool. and i for one would have had a great time waiting for the terrorist attack that inevitably caused a massive implosion along the tube and killed hundreds or thousands of people. honestly surprised the gov't didn't fund it, the false flag opportunities were the real investment. -
2023-10-12 at 8:21 PM UTCreminds me of my uncle Huff
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2023-10-12 at 8:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by Haxxor Stop Watt is advertised as a revolutionary device that can significantly reduce your home's electricity usage simply by plugging it into a wall outlet. The makers claim it “stabilizes electrical current” and corrects energy waste, slashing utility bills by 40% or more.
This is a great deal and I personally own several of these devices (the more you add the better).
They work basically like a miniaturised power conditioner of the type you see in industrial uses. These are expensive devices, but industrial users can save several percent on their electrical bills by having them. It works out well when your electrical bill is in the tens of thousands a month plus range. Example:
https://new.abb.com/ups/power-and-voltage-conditioners/reactive-power-conditioners/pcs100-rpc
To understand how they work you need to understand AC power. Basically switched power supplies cut in at odd times in the AC sin wave, cutting off the wave. These devices smooth that out. Some AC motors, especially cheap universal motors used in many applications, also cause deformations in the AC waveform.
There are also power factor considerations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor Power factor is the difference between real power draw and apparent power draw. This is basically due to inductive loads, such as caused by certain switching power supplies and certain devices when they cycle up and down, or even when they are running and feeding back-emf into the circuit. This device stores, re-inverts and feeds back the energy in these waves. This is a big consideration when using smart meters, which are whores for apparent power draw as opposed to real power draw.
Basically these new miniaturised devices Musk is selling do the same thing, but using new Chinese made chips and some cheap generic capacitors. They are very worthwhile and I advise everyone to buy as many as they can afford right now.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-10-12 at 8:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai everyone likes to pretend that never happened lmao
hyperloop went from being a maglev in the world's largest vacuum chamber to being tunnels for tesla drivers to drive in
makes me wonder though, i mean it's definitely *possible*, just prohibitively expensive and risk prone - if the government had thrown fistfuls of money at him like they did to get all his successful projects off the ground, the hyperloop could have been really cool. and i for one would have had a great time waiting for the terrorist attack that inevitably caused a massive implosion along the tube and killed hundreds or thousands of people. honestly surprised the gov't didn't fund it, the false flag opportunities were the real investment.
Yeah it probably would work given enough funding. So he didn’t acquire the money needed to turn the vision into reality. Doesn’t mean the idea isn’t sound. But these days shitting on Elon Musk is like the cool thing to do, and everyone calls him a retard. It’s a hack take. If he’s so dumb why does he have like 8 multi-billion dollar startups?
I was never one of those morons that idolized him back when he was like a liberal hero, but I’m also not gonna act like he’s dumb all of a sudden now that he’s not publicly popular anymore.
Yeah his dad owned a diamond mine or whatever so I’m not saying he didn’t have a head start, maybe someone else given the same opportunities would have done even more with it. But there’s lots of other people that started with way more money and are a fraction as successful. He must be doing something right.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-10-12 at 8:48 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox You mean the one that runs on water, or the one with the perpetual motion machine? THEYRE HIDING THE TRUTH FROM US
Maybe before your time, yeah I'm old. Anyway they had basically a magnet that went around your fuel line which suppose to align the molecules or some such shit. This was pre-internet in magazines, the scam may have got thrown off because on the same page you had Xray glasses and sea-monkey colonies you could grow.
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2023-10-12 at 8:52 PM UTCThe cost of electricity is cheap. It's the outrageous delivery fee which hurts so much.
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2023-10-12 at 8:58 PM UTCDid some research, which wasn’t easy since the majority of “informational” sites were “sponsored” or personal reviews.
I did find this and it seems legit:
https://malwaretips.com/blogs/stop-watt-scam/
The Stop Watt scam relies on exaggerated and false claims about its energy-saving capabilities. Here are some of the deceptive tactics used by Stop Watt marketers:
Claim: Stop Watt reduces your electricity bill by stabilizing voltage
The Stop Watt website and ads claim the device “stabilizes your home’s electrical current” and fixes voltage fluctuations that waste electricity.
The truth: Home voltage fluctuations have no impact on electricity usage. Stop Watt does nothing to stabilize voltage or current in your home. Any small variations in home voltage are already smoothed out by your existing electrical system and appliances.
Claim: Stop Watt reduces “idle electricity” waste
Stop Watt ads claim the device reduces “idle electricity” – energy wasted by electronics when turned off or in standby mode.
The truth: There is no way Stop Watt could impact idle electricity usage across all your home electronics and appliances. Any minor reduction would be negligible. Unplugging devices or using smart power strips are far more effective ways to reduce idle power waste.
Claim: Stop Watt protects electronics from power surges
The ads suggest Stop Watt will protect your expensive electronics like TVs and computers from power surges and electrical damage.
The truth: At best, Stop Watt contains a very basic surge protector. But most homes already have much more sophisticated surge protectors, backups, and other devices to protect from electrical spikes. Stop Watt offers no meaningful protection.
Claim: Developed by Tech Billionaires
Stop Watt is touted as being developed by tech billionaires like Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and Mark Cuban.
The truth: There is zero evidence that Stop Watt has anything to do with these tech titans. There are no proven ties or endorsements. Just fake ads using celebrity names and images without permission.
Claim: Featured on Trusted News Sites
To add legitimacy, Stop Watt ads use logos of reputable news sites like CNN, ABC, USA Today, and Fox News – implying these outlets have featured favorable reports on Stop Watt.
The truth: These trusted news sites have never reported on Stop Watt. The logos are used without permission to try and establish credibility.
Claim: Real Customer Reviews & Testimonials
The Stop Watt website and ads highlight glowing reviews and dramatic testimonials from supposed satisfied customers.
The truth: The reviews are completely fabricated. The people depicted do not exist – their images are stock photos. The stories of 90% savings are totally made up.
Plus I trust anything with a picture of Elon Musk about as much as I believe what Trump says on any given day. -
2023-10-12 at 9:02 PM UTC
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2023-10-12 at 9:02 PM UTC
Originally posted by Haxxor Did some research, which wasn’t easy since the majority of “informational” sites were “sponsored” or personal reviews.
I did find this and it seems legit:
https://malwaretips.com/blogs/stop-watt-scam/
The Stop Watt scam relies on exaggerated and false claims about its energy-saving capabilities. Here are some of the deceptive tactics used by Stop Watt marketers:
Claim: Stop Watt reduces your electricity bill by stabilizing voltage
The Stop Watt website and ads claim the device “stabilizes your home’s electrical current” and fixes voltage fluctuations that waste electricity.
The truth: Home voltage fluctuations have no impact on electricity usage. Stop Watt does nothing to stabilize voltage or current in your home. Any small variations in home voltage are already smoothed out by your existing electrical system and appliances.
Claim: Stop Watt reduces “idle electricity” waste
Stop Watt ads claim the device reduces “idle electricity” – energy wasted by electronics when turned off or in standby mode.
The truth: There is no way Stop Watt could impact idle electricity usage across all your home electronics and appliances. Any minor reduction would be negligible. Unplugging devices or using smart power strips are far more effective ways to reduce idle power waste.
Claim: Stop Watt protects electronics from power surges
The ads suggest Stop Watt will protect your expensive electronics like TVs and computers from power surges and electrical damage.
The truth: At best, Stop Watt contains a very basic surge protector. But most homes already have much more sophisticated surge protectors, backups, and other devices to protect from electrical spikes. Stop Watt offers no meaningful protection.
Claim: Developed by Tech Billionaires
Stop Watt is touted as being developed by tech billionaires like Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and Mark Cuban.
The truth: There is zero evidence that Stop Watt has anything to do with these tech titans. There are no proven ties or endorsements. Just fake ads using celebrity names and images without permission.
Claim: Featured on Trusted News Sites
To add legitimacy, Stop Watt ads use logos of reputable news sites like CNN, ABC, USA Today, and Fox News – implying these outlets have featured favorable reports on Stop Watt.
The truth: These trusted news sites have never reported on Stop Watt. The logos are used without permission to try and establish credibility.
Claim: Real Customer Reviews & Testimonials
The Stop Watt website and ads highlight glowing reviews and dramatic testimonials from supposed satisfied customers.
The truth: The reviews are completely fabricated. The people depicted do not exist – their images are stock photos. The stories of 90% savings are totally made up.
Plus I trust anything with a picture of Elon Musk about as much as I believe what Trump says on any given day.
I'm pretty sure ABB would like to talk with the dumbass Indians who run that site to tap their unique knowledge and insight about how AC works. -
2023-10-12 at 9:20 PM UTCYes I have installed many such applicances in my home, if you do 3 it can cut your bill so low that they pay you 20%The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-10-12 at 9:44 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-10-12 at 10:10 PM UTC
seems legitThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-10-12 at 10:13 PM UTCin reality there are 'smoothing devices that correct the sine wave of an AC power supply but these are used to feed sensitive devices like audio or medical equipment and have little if any effect on power consumption. you also need to plug them in between the device and the power source; you can't just plug it in in a random corner of your house.
these things are just night lights. lol.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-10-12 at 10:16 PM UTCif you're serious about wanting to reduce power waste get a few killawatt style outlet readers so you can see how much power your devices are using when left on over time a and use that information to adjust usage accordingly
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2023-10-13 at 12:12 AM UTC
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2023-10-13 at 12:20 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra in reality there are 'smoothing devices that correct the sine wave of an AC power supply but these are used to feed sensitive devices like audio or medical equipment and have little if any effect on power consumption. you also need to plug them in between the device and the power source; you can't just plug it in in a random corner of your house.
these things are just night lights. lol.
Sorry. That's not true at all. Industrial power conditioners actually do make a substantial difference to industrial power bills. -
2023-10-13 at 12:22 AM UTC
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2023-10-13 at 12:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by Fox But these days shitting on Elon Musk is like the cool thing to do, and everyone calls him a retard. It’s a hack take. If he’s so dumb why does he have like 8 multi-billion dollar startups?
Let’s see 🤔
First and foremost Musk is far from self-made. He was born in South Africa to an extremely wealthy white family that profited off the exploitation of workers in sub-Saharan Africa and apartheid-era South Africa. Much of his family’s wealth came from an emerald mine in Zambia owned by Errol Musk, Elon’s father. The African mining industry is known to be incredibly exploitative, with child labor, horrible working conditions, disease, abuse of workers, and fatalities all commonplace. The workers in these mines are mostly black native residents of African countries, while the owners are usually the descendants of rich, white colonists. Musk is not a “self-made billionaire,” he comes from an extremely privileged family that squeezed millions of dollars out of some of the poorest nations in the world.
With a rich family to borrow money from, and massive amounts of wealth gained from the exploitation of African mineral resources, Musk could finally purchase Tesla. Yes, you read that correctly. While it is commonly believed that Musk founded Tesla, this is untrue, and another reminder of the power of PR. Musk invested millions of dollars in Tesla in the early 2000s and paid his way up the corporate ladder, becoming the company’s CEO in 2008. He eventually fought one of the company’s true founders, Martin Eberhard, for the title in a 2009 court case. If at first, you don’t succeed, complain and sue until you do!
This is not an isolated example, either. He also claims to be the founder of PayPal, when in fact he owned another company that purchased Paypal. Again, Musk fought for the title of founder, which he won with the help of his family’s wealth. Founding a company, especially companies like PayPal and Tesla, carries lots of prestige considering the hard work that it involves. But why work hard when you’re born rich?
Well, alright. Musk may not have any real entrepreneurial talent. His companies are still shaking up the automotive industry through ingenuity and talent, right? Right?
No. Tesla has received millions of dollars of government loans to support its mediocre products. Four hundred and sixty-five million dollars in government loans were spent to fund the Model S sedan, and eight and a half billion dollars were shared between Ford, Nissan, and Tesla in a 2009 stimulus fund. Furthermore, during the Covid-19 pandemic, Tesla received an unnamed amount of government stimulus money as well. Interestingly enough, right before accepting a fat check from Uncle Sam, Musk tweeted, “Another government stimulus package is not in the best interests of the people imo”. Why give money to financially unstable Americans when you could just give it to the second richest man in the world and his multi-billion dollar corporation?
he must be doing something right …..
Yup, he’s spending incomprehensible amounts of money on public relations. With a fraction of his wealth, any billionaire can use highly compensated PR firms to convince the public to think almost anything of them. Musk is no exception. His entrepreneurial, larger-than-life persona is just that—a persona.
