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UK Online Safety Bill Passes
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2023-09-20 at 1:28 PM UTC
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2023-09-20 at 1:30 PM UTC
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2023-09-20 at 1:31 PM UTCThere'll always be a market for privacy.
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2023-09-20 at 2 PM UTC
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2023-09-20 at 2:12 PM UTCIdk if it passed but they also wanted for Apple not to tell people in the UK if security features had been disabled.
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2023-09-20 at 2:17 PM UTC
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2023-09-20 at 2:21 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra they don't want to explicitly ban end to end encryption like on messengers, but they want the provider to be able to decrypt them if requested
given the way that messengers like whatsapp, facebook etc. work in practice they're likely compelling the provider to generate and retain private keys instead of allowing the end users to keep them private.
which defeats the purpose of end to end encryption; there's literally no reason to use it in place of server-side encryption if the provider has the keys
Not saying that's not where we're probably going to end up, but there are a few ways to cut it. Apple's approach on ios as I understand it has essentially been to have the software act as a whistleblower without strictly breaking the encryption, that is apple distributes something akin to a bloom enhancement that is run client side against plaintext. So clients don't know what flagged content is, but can detect when it's present, and what's actually transmitted is still encrypted. So e.g. the client can report "this here is a buncha kiddy porn, but you don't really know what it is". Now what the client actually does in a case like that... IDK, report it? Break the encryption for LEO? Who knows. But if legislatures are satisfied with client tampering allowing users to bypass the measure, it does kinda solve the problem of facilitating witchhunting of target groups (pedophiles, nazis, misgenderers) without having to break security for everyone else (until they end up on the list of course). And if hardware attestation catches on the client tampering thing gets a lot harder.
We're just as likely to end up with completely broken encryption and some HSM doublethink smokescreen. But honestly you'd be kinda retarded to entrust your safety to social media e2e encryption anyway, the clients are under the total control of a party that can easily be coerced by LE anyway so you have no reasonable expectation that the whole thing wasn't backdoored from the start.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-09-20 at 2:38 PM UTC
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2023-09-20 at 2:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Not saying that's not where we're probably going to end up, but there are a few ways to cut it. Apple's approach on ios as I understand it has essentially been to have the software act as a whistleblower without strictly breaking the encryption, that is apple distributes something akin to a bloom enhancement that is run client side against plaintext. So clients don't know what flagged content is, but can detect when it's present, and what's actually transmitted is still encrypted.
sure, but that'd only work for specific content that's been tagged as naughty previously. I guess it'd sort of work heuristically depending on what you're testing for (they're pushing child pornography for support but their primary goal seems to be nebulous national security concerns), but like fox posted from the actual law - they're demanding that providers give the enforcement body the unencrypted data if requested, meaning they need to have a way to either store it unencrypted in transit (via a side channel?) or decrypt it upon receiving that notice. either way E2E encryption is de facto banned.
but yeah, totally agree, if you don't manage your own keys and audit any application you put them in you're just asking for all five fingers -
2023-09-20 at 2:44 PM UTC
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2023-09-20 at 2:48 PM UTCSignal on iOS is open source right?
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2023-09-20 at 2:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Signal on iOS is open source right?
https://github.com/signalapp
can still be pulled from the app store/play store if they don't comply though. can you install apps from third party sources on ios? -
2023-09-20 at 2:54 PM UTCIf it’s jailbroken yeah
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2023-09-20 at 3:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra they want people to feel 'secure' while also having unfettered access to their communications. you fundamentally can't have both
They want people to feel scared. I've had a fear of the UK government for as long as I remember but can't say why exactly. I always censor myself online. I just remember during the London riots a 17 Yr old was arrested for encouraging people to riot on Twitter. It couldn't have just been that though. I thought the government was already scanning our text messages with two years worth of data. -
2023-09-20 at 3:05 PM UTCI'm using Session atm.
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2023-09-20 at 3:07 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kafka They want people to feel scared. I've had a fear of the UK government for as long as I remember but can't say why exactly. I always censor myself online. I just remember during the London riots a 17 Yr old was arrested for encouraging people to riot on Twitter. It couldn't have just been that though. I thought the government was already scanning our text messages with two years worth of data.
Look at what the UK does to journalists. Still in jail, memoryholed.In October 2011, 28-year old Stephen Birrell was sentenced to eight months in jail for engaging in Scottish sectarianism. He made posts to a Facebook page called "Neil Lennon should be banned" which insulted Catholics and the Pope. Sheriff Bill Totten stated "the right-thinking people of Glasgow and Scotland will not allow any behaviour of this nature".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom
In May 2012, 21-year old Liam Stacey spent 56 days in jail for tweeting "LOL, Fuck Muamba. He's dead."
During the 2012 Olympics, diver Tom Daley retweeted a message that said "You let your dad down i hope you know that", insulting him for finishing fourth. Its 17-year old author was arrested on suspicion of "malicious communication"
In October 2012, 19-year old Matthew Woods was jailed for 12 weeks because of jokes he made about two abducted children April Jones and Madeleine McCann. The messages, including "Who in their right mind would abduct a ginger kid?" were copied from Sickipedia and posted to Facebook
In December 2014, 19-year old Ross Loraine was arrested and cited for making light of the 2014 Glasgow bin lorry crash on Twitter. The tweet, which he deleted shortly after posting, stated that after the driver's vehicle struck pedestrians, this was "the most trash it has picked up in one day"
In March 2015, 24-year old Scott Lamont was sentenced to spend four months in jail for singing Billy Boys at a Rangers FC game.
In January 2019, community cohesion officer Mansoor Gul questioned Lincolnshire ex-police officer Harry Miller over the fact that he had retweeted a poem that condemned gender transitions. While confirming that no crime had been committed, Gul stated that it qualified as a "hate incident" and told Miller that his employer might be displeased.
In July 2022, British army veteran Darren Brady, was arrested "on suspicion of sending by public communication network an offensive, indecent, obscene, menacing message" for allegedly retweeting an image of the "Progress Pride Flag" arranged into a swastika.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-09-20 at 3:12 PM UTCReminds me, I can't find the email but got one from Revolut saying I won't be able to send crypto to people anymore without giving details of their identity first, that this would come into affect in Europe.
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2023-09-20 at 3:16 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kafka They want people to feel scared. I've had a fear of the UK government for as long as I remember but can't say why exactly.
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2023-09-20 at 3:17 PM UTC
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2023-09-20 at 3:18 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles
We don't learn about the troubles. They shielded us.
