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Denmark is releasing the Leopards

  1. #1
    Wariat Marine/Preteen Biologist
    "Gondor calls for aid - and Denmark answers and will send more then 100 Leopard 1A5DK for Ukraine! That is one tank per 58.000 Danes, if US did the same they would send 5724 tanks and the UK 1160 tanks.... just to give an idea about how big this actually is, especially taken into consideration that Denmark also send all our newly bought CAESAR artillery directly for Ukraine! The donation is part of a joint venture with Germany and the Netherlands and the total amount of tanks will be 178, not sure if all will be the DK-version...

    Just confirmed by the Danish Ministry of Defence, Denmark will buy back more then 100 Leopards 1A5DK versions from a German contractor. These tanks will now be prepared (as part of a setup with Germany and The Netherlands and a total of 178 tanks)) and it is expected that the first 80 will arrive in Ukraine in a few month time.

    The Leopards 1A5DK may not be the newest version on the market, but it is still far superior compared with russian T-72 and older tanks.
    The A5 DK is equipped with a fire control computer, a laser range finder and a gunners primary sight (EMES-18 - stabilised thermal sight) for its 105mm barrel. The commanders forward periscope and panoramic sight were extended for a clear view over the primary sight housing.
    The gun received a thermal sleeve and a muzzle reference collimator at the end of the barrel.

    To Ukraine with love - thanks for holding the Frontline of Democracy"
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    Donald Trump Black Hole
    Originally posted by Wariat it is expected that the first 80 will arrive in Ukraine in a few month time.

    This part gives the game away.
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  3. #3
    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    lol, leopard-1 armor can't even stop a BMP's 30mm autocannon

    their best bet is probably to keep them away from the front lines and use them as artillery
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    Donald Trump Black Hole
    Weird, looks like quora are deleting their answers about things.

    https://www.quora.com/Could-a-BMP-2s-30-mm-cannon-actually-penetrate-a-main-battle-tanks-side-armour-as-easily-as-shown-in-War-Thunder

    I don't think I have seen any footage of any tanks surviving getting hit with anything yet in this war.

    Armour seems to be there mostly to make soldiers feel safe, imo.

    It doesn't seem to be very effective.
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    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    steel-ceramic NERA would stop most kinds of 'light' penetrators and explosives, reactive armor is meant to stop HEAT and heavy penetrators, then you've got active defence like the israeli TROPHY or Russian ARENA that's meant to blast projectiles that get close (ATGMs are relatively slow but they're supposedly effective against MBT cannon shells and stuff too)

    but as far as I can find out these tanks have none, so all they can rely on is relatively thin armor and an oversized cannon
  6. #6
    Originally posted by Donald Trump This part gives the game away.

    its the thoughts that count.
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    Originally posted by aldra steel-ceramic NERA would stop most kinds of 'light' penetrators and explosives, reactive armor is meant to stop HEAT and heavy penetrators, then you've got active defence like the israeli TROPHY or Russian ARENA that's meant to blast projectiles that get close (ATGMs are relatively slow but they're supposedly effective against MBT cannon shells and stuff too)

    but as far as I can find out these tanks have none, so all they can rely on is relatively thin armor and an oversized cannon

    thats not the motive.

    the danes are the smart ones.

    the faster and the more they've disarmed themselves, the easier and more justifiable for them to stay out and remain neutral once the conflict spread beyond ukraine and into NATO countries.

    "we have no choice but surrender."
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    jerryb African Astronaut
    Originally posted by Donald Trump This part gives the game away.

    War will most likely be over by then. Might as well ship them to Russia.
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    Donald Trump Black Hole
    Originally posted by jerryb War will most likely be over by then. Might as well ship them to Russia.

    I'd agree that's very likely. My big question is will I need a Russian visa to go to Kyiv this summer.
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    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    Originally posted by Donald Trump I'd agree that's very likely. My big question is will I need a Russian visa to go to Kyiv this summer.

    doubt they'll even try to push that far
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    jerryb African Astronaut
    Originally posted by Donald Trump I'd agree that's very likely. My big question is will I need a Russian visa to go to Kyiv this summer.

    I went to Russia years ago and a visa was a pain in the ass, maybe easier for your country. Doubt Americans will be welcome for awhile.
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    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11727127/Zelensky-urges-Britain-stand-firm-against-Russian-Westminster-Hall-address.html
    https://archive.is/r1Uni

    Boris Johnson urged the UK to offer all its fighter jets and tanks to Ukraine today after Volodymyr Zelensky delivered an emotional address to MPs and Peers in Westminster Hall.

    it just gets more and more ridiculous
  13. #13
    Donald Trump Black Hole
    Originally posted by aldra it just gets more and more ridiculous

    I don't understand.

    a) what does England need them for?
    b) start from an unreasonable position and bargain down.
    c) England should also give the navy away too.
    d) tiocfaidh ár lá
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    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    Originally posted by Donald Trump I don't understand.

    a) what does England need them for?
    b) start from an unreasonable position and bargain down.
    c) England should also give the navy away too.
    d) tiocfaidh ár lá

    the English should just leave the island altogether and let Zelensky use it as a naval base (he doesn't get to keep the Pakis and Africans though, naturally)
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  15. #15
    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    I would say that the English should also hand over the Trident nuclear deterrent but contractors recently got caught fixing the coolant system for the nuclear reactor with superglue so maybe it's better to withhold that
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    jerryb African Astronaut
    Originally posted by aldra I would say that the English should also hand over the Trident nuclear deterrent but contractors recently got caught fixing the coolant system for the nuclear reactor with superglue so maybe it's better to withhold that

    That's fucked up.
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    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    Originally posted by jerryb That's fucked up.

    https://marineindustrynews.co.uk/88m-trident-submarine-fixed-superglue/

    sounds like the contractor accidentally cracked boltheads, then didn't want to pay to replace the bolts so they just glued the heads back on

    wouldn't be an immediate problem but imagine having to deal with coolant leaks or even a rupture out at sea
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    jerryb African Astronaut
    Imagine it was main seawater coolant. Those guys be dead if that ruptured, no recovery from that.
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    Originally posted by jerryb Imagine it was main seawater coolant. Those guys be dead if that ruptured, no recovery from that.

    those bolts have a redundancy rate of 4 to 1.

    that means for every one bolts that is required there are 3 others that werent necessary.
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    Donald Trump Black Hole
    Maybe it's one of those things where if you over tighten the bolts you have to remove the whole pipe and go and get an xray done on the part to detect microcracks and the like. So it's not even just about removing the sheared off bolt and replacing it (which would be a pain anyway).
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