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2023-01-11 at 7:41 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-01-11 at 7:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by Elbow The US has 10 Nimitz-classes and they're making 10 Gerald R. Ford-class to replace the entire fleet. That's a fuckton of aircraft carriers.
10 isnt a lot of anything...1 nuclear sub could take care of all of them and still have change left to get a bag of fish and chips on the way home. -
2023-01-11 at 7:53 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson 10 isnt a lot of anything…
I dunno, if your doctor diagnosed you with 10 simultaneous different kinds of rare cancer, you'd probably think "damn that's a lot of cancer" because relative to the 0 or 1 kinds of cancer that most people have that actually is quite a lot of cancer, you cancerous pedant.
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson 1 nuclear sub could take care of all of them and still have change left to get a bag of fish and chips on the way home.
That nuclear sub has to make it past hundreds or thousands of miles of AWACS first. -
2023-01-11 at 7:56 PM UTC
Originally posted by Elbow I dunno, if your doctor diagnosed you with 10 simultaneous different kinds of rare cancer, you'd probably think "damn that's a lot of cancer" because relative to the 0 or 1 kinds of cancer that most people have that actually is quite a lot of cancer, you cancerous pedant.
That nuclear sub has to make it past hundreds or thousands of miles of AWACS first.
The hypersonic missle fired from the sub doesnt care about 50yr old AWACS -
2023-01-11 at 8:05 PM UTC
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2023-01-11 at 9:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by Elbow It doesn't. The crew of the sub probably should though.
Nah, they are 200 miles away and below the ocean.
10 is still not a lot of ANY weapon in this current age...that's we have thousands of nukes which are far more devastating than an aircraft carrier.
Air craft carriers are more about the "ooh look at me!" to little worthless countries rather than going up against the other big boys. -
2023-01-11 at 9:18 PM UTCHere you go, a list of sunken aircraft carriers in WW2 (mostly)...and that was using shitty weapons of the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sunken_aircraft_carriers
As you can see, 10 isn't enough... -
2023-01-11 at 11:04 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Didn't answer my question.
How many do you consider "many"?
10? 20?
Poor vinny, thinks $15 a month is "many monies"
british man have trouble with relativity because all his relatives are ugly.
10 aircraft carriers are more than all the aircraft carriers of rest of the world combined.
british math and logic.
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2023-01-11 at 11:05 PM UTC
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2023-01-11 at 11:14 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Nah, they are 200 miles away and below the ocean.
10 is still not a lot of ANY weapon in this current age…that's we have thousands of nukes which are far more devastating than an aircraft carrier.
Air craft carriers are more about the "ooh look at me!" to little worthless countries rather than going up against the other big boys.
I agree that advances in weaponry have completely obsoleted a lot of the 'big boy' heavy hitters invented in the last century though - that was my point about tanks too. One hypersonic missile costs infinitely less than a fuckoff huge aircraft carrier, and one well-placed one is all it takes. Not disputing that.
That said, 200 miles falls within the average AWACS patrol range and sortie capabilities of any CSG featuring a Ford. Maybe they sink your boat, but the crew on board the sub *really* should care - ASW is a core part of US Navy doctrine, if they get spotted they're also donezo.
PS: 10 is a lot of a huge and hugely expensive ship that can be so easily sunk, no? Like a guy who buys 10 magic beans is buying a lot of magic beans for a guy who lives in a world where magic doesn't exist. -
2023-01-11 at 11:23 PM UTC
Originally posted by Elbow I agree that advances in weaponry have completely obsoleted a lot of the 'big boy' heavy hitters invented in the last century though - that was my point about tanks too. One hypersonic missile costs infinitely less than a fuckoff huge aircraft carrier, and one well-placed one is all it takes. Not disputing that.
That said, 200 miles falls within the average AWACS patrol range and sortie capabilities of any CSG featuring a Ford. Maybe they sink your boat, but the crew on board the sub *really* should care - ASW is a core part of US Navy doctrine, if they get spotted they're also donezo.
PS: 10 is a lot of a huge and hugely expensive ship that can be so easily sunk, no? Like a guy who buys 10 magic beans is buying a lot of magic beans for a guy who lives in a world where magic doesn't exist.
ignore his excuses.
hes now just doing semantics-gymmastics to jiggle himself free from the clutches of shame and internet embar-ass-ment. -
2023-01-12 at 9:37 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra even just one is an enormous investment, especially with them now being vulnerable to hypersonics
US is rumoured to be sending Strykers now as well, would not be surprised if the Ukrainians just use them as artillery ammo transports like the APCs and medical transports they've been sent.
the Ukrainians want heavy tanks, but among other problems the Abrams and Leopards (most likely candidates) are way too heavy for the region; at almost 70 tonnes they'll obliterate roads, fall through bridges and fuck up pontoon crossings
Hypersonic lol -
2023-01-12 at 11:14 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra lol, at least you got the tactical roll at the end
I feel bad for them, Ukies in the dugout are obviously shellshocked or something.
it's a Wagner guy's helmet cam, they charge in from behind and yell at them to surrender, guys in the trench are confused and think the Wagner guys are friendly because they came from the Ukrainian side and don't hand over weapons, get popped
Ukrainians are unironically claiming that those guys were Wagner 'traitors' who were dressed up as Ukrainians to be put in that foxhole to be executed
the only thing that makes sense is that they've realised retarded westerners will believe ANYTHING so they're trying to test the boundaries, only to find that there aren't any.
it was long suspected that US intelligence agencies have not been doing any direct intelligence-gathering on the state of the war, specifically casualties, equipment losses and deployments etc. and simply rely on the Ukraine to self-report, and Larry Johnston (ex CIA, of the SONAR21 blog) claims that he's verified it with contacts still within the agencyThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-01-12 at 1:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by Elbow That said, 200 miles falls within the average AWACS patrol range and sortie capabilities of any CSG featuring a Ford.
You seriously think awacs knows the positions of Russian/Chinese Nuclear subs
Pops up, fires off a missle, pops back down...gone before awacs could alert anyone/anything to do anything...in the meantime 1 aircraft carrier and several billion dollars of aircraft are gliding down to the bottom of the ocean.
Awacs is also for detecting aircraft...not subs. -
2023-01-12 at 1:25 PM UTCa) how far radar could detect submarine itself? It cannot as sea itself reflects radar waves.
b) how far away radar could detect a periscope or snorkel of submerged diesel-electric submarine? In the end it is the cause why radar was used for submarine search in WW2 and later. The answer here depends on radar capabilities and altitude of searching plane. Search radar of one of the best Cold War ASW planes Tu-142 could do it from about 20–30 nm. Limits of radar of P-3 Orion are roughly the same - probably 25–35 nm. British ASV-II used during WW2 (was installed on British ASW planes for detection of U-boats in Atlantics) could detect surfaced submarine from 30–40 nm and periscope/snorkel from 10–15 nm away. If plane is flying very low its horizon is decreased and may decrease beyond efficient range of detection.
Up, fire, down...on to the next. -
2023-01-12 at 1:27 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny ignore his excuses.
hes now just doing semantics-gymmastics to jiggle himself free from the clutches of shame and internet embar-ass-ment.
Thinks 10 is "many"..talk about mental gymnastics
I refer you to the previously cited list of sunked WW2 aircraft carriers. in a WW3 scenario 10 would be taken out before you had time to wipe your arse...you don't think the "enemy" would have them all tracked? -
2023-01-12 at 1:48 PM UTChttps://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jan/6/russia-will-soon-launch-submarine-capable-of-firin/
"The Yasen-class submarine will be the first regular carrier of the Zircon, Russia’s advanced hypersonic cruise missile, according to the country’s official TASS news agency.
“The Perm submarine with Tskirkons [missiles] is planned to enter service with the Navy in 2026. Prior to that, the submarine will undergo trials in late 2024 or early 2025,” a Russian defense ministry official told TASS. "
Just in time for rolling out the first 1 or 2 new aircraft carriers.
ETA:
Tsirkon missile range 1,000 km
The Tsirkon hypersonic system was salvo-launched on December 24, 2021, and again launched on February 19, 2022. On 28 May 2022 Russian Ministry of Defense released a video and news of a new test-launch where a Zircon missile hit a sea target at a distance of 1,000 km (620 mi) in the White Sea.
Good luck Awacs in doing shit about it -
2023-01-12 at 2:49 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Thinks 10 is "many"..talk about mental gymnastics
I refer you to the previously cited list of sunked WW2 aircraft carriers. in a WW3 scenario 10 would be taken out before you had time to wipe your arse…you don't think the "enemy" would have them all tracked?
we are talking about contemporary events, not his-stories. 10 is many, by any standard, including english semantics.
the rest of the world combined have less than 10 aircraft carriers, and citing its lack of combat capability in todays advanced combat condition is nun sequiteur,
men can easily be shot and killed but you cans still claim that you've slept with many men. -
2023-01-12 at 2:52 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra
Ukrainians are unironically claiming that those guys were Wagner 'traitors' who were dressed up as Ukrainians to be put in that foxhole to be executed
the only thing that makes sense is that they've realised retarded westerners will believe ANYTHING so they're trying to test the boundaries, only to find that there aren't any.
it was long suspected that US intelligence agencies have not been doing any direct intelligence-gathering on the state of the war, specifically casualties, equipment losses and deployments etc. and simply rely on the Ukraine to self-report, and Larry Johnston (ex CIA, of the SONAR21 blog) claims that he's verified it with contacts still within the agency
why would his contacts be telling him something thats true.
its possible that his contacts are using him for the ourposes of misinformation. -
2023-01-12 at 2:53 PM UTC
