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Military Genius Zelensky wants Ukrainians to throw molotovs at Russian tanks
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2023-01-11 at 9:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by Elbow
im not saying i'd want to drive an abrams across a bridge made by slavs, especially former soviet slavs, but what the hell are you talking about? is it just that you've seen the abrams in the desert your whole life and it feels like a "desert tank" to you now or something? the leopard and the abrams are 50 years old, and the product of countries who were both very much taking into consideration that they might have to be driving said tanks through ukraine and into the USSR.
"they'll fuck up pontoon crossings"? are you high?
ukraine rivers are very special you see. nothing like bosnian rivers, which can be pontooned by MBTs. ukrainian river water is highly corrosive (on account of chernobyl), and as such pontoons suffer a -50% geographic debuff to structural integrity.
"they'll obliterate roads"
no shit. great thing about tanks:
"b-but muh muddy springtime ukrainian weather they'll get stuck"
yeah probably, so why the fuck not say that instead of a bunch of asinine bullshit
(presumably because the muddy season is, as the name suggests *seasonal*, so that's barely even relevant to whether or not having tanks would do some good) -
2023-01-11 at 9:35 AM UTClook at the weight difference between Soviet and Russian MBTs vs those two; a base T72 is like 45 tonnes vs. almost 70.
Soviet-era infrastructure was designed with this in mind -
2023-01-11 at 9:38 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra look at the weight difference between Soviet and Russian MBTs vs those two; a base T72 is like 45 tonnes vs. almost 70.
Soviet-era infrastructure was designed with this in mind
Yeah, they'll fuck up roads and I wouldn't want to drive one over a bridge, like I said. But please do bear in mind, these tanks are also Soviet-era. As in, "Ukraine was literally the expected environment for the Abrams and Leopard to operate in". You know what else fucks up bridges? Explosions. Not being able to cross them was expected, regardless of weight. -
2023-01-11 at 9:43 AM UTC
Originally posted by Elbow Yeah, they'll fuck up roads and I wouldn't want to drive one over a bridge, like I said. But please do bear in mind, these tanks are also Soviet-era. As in, "Ukraine was literally the expected environment for the Abrams and Leopard to operate in".
tanks are tanks; they all do basically the same thing, it's mostly just a question of survivability. the point is that the characteristics of the specific ones they want limit their range and logistic ability, not to speak of maintenance and training requirements etc -
2023-01-11 at 9:46 AM UTCReal issue is tanks are last-century tech stemming from last-century martial philosophy, see: the smoldering ruins of Russian tanks at the start of the war. I think it's only fair that Ukraine is given the opportunity to get their shit fucked by Ivan in exactly the way they were fucking Ivan's shit a year ago.
Originally posted by aldra tanks are tanks; they all do basically the same thing, it's mostly just a question of survivability. the point is that the characteristics of the specific ones they want limit their range and logistic ability, not to speak of maintenance and training requirements etc
you're right, motorcycle brigades and technicals are the only sound strategy
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2023-01-11 at 11:20 AM UTCThey should have had every model airplane geek in the world in Ukraine making little drone bombers and kamikaze planes, seeing what worked.
It won't make any difference now. Russia are stacking up in Belarus in preparation of their big zerg rush offensive to cut Ukraine in half.
...but muh 50 bradleys 🤡The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-01-11 at 1:29 PM UTC
Odd footage. -
2023-01-11 at 1:35 PM UTC
Originally posted by Donald Trump They should have had every model airplane geek in the world in Ukraine making little drone bombers and kamikaze planes, seeing what worked.
It won't make any difference now. Russia are stacking up in Belarus in preparation of their big zerg rush offensive to cut Ukraine in half.
boots on the ground win wars, but the real decider has been artillery and standoff weapons and the Ukraine has just been totally outnumbered both in terms of hardware and munitions.
HiMARS is the only thing I can think of that was really credible, but they're in such small numbers that they haven't really made much of an impact outside of PR. the ATACMS the US is holding back aren't really anything special either; they're less effective than the TOCHKA-Us the Ukrainians were already using but the HiMARS launcher can ideally fire them and get out of the way before the hammer comes down on the launch platform.
the M777s keep failing because they're not designed for the intensity of combat they're being used for; they're stripped right down to make them light enough for helicopter transport but that means key components warp and fail under stress... and that's if they even make it to the front given their titanium frames are worth a lot on the scrap market.
NASAMs and HAWKs intercept more apartment blocks than Russian missiles.
JAVELINs and NLAWs have a reported 1 in 4 chance of firing at all, mostly due to battery issues.
PATRIOT PAC-3s were unable to protect Saudi oil industry from shitty Yemeni (Iranian knockoff) drones and missiles, so I don't know what they think one battery is going to do for Kiev.
they just keep throwing random hardware in that never seems to be suited to the kind of war that's being fought -
2023-01-11 at 1:37 PM UTCfunnily enough it's been the old Soviet shit that's been the most effective - majority of confirmed Ukrainian tank kills are thanks to their domestic STUGNA-P complexes, and the only times they've been able to hit Russian infrastructure (shelling border towns notwithstanding) was using old Soviet recon drones ostensibly retrofitted with NATO guidance and ECM
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2023-01-11 at 1:59 PM UTC
Originally posted by Donald Trump
Odd footage.
lol, at least you got the tactical roll at the end
I feel bad for them, Ukies in the dugout are obviously shellshocked or something.
it's a Wagner guy's helmet cam, they charge in from behind and yell at them to surrender, guys in the trench are confused and think the Wagner guys are friendly because they came from the Ukrainian side and don't hand over weapons, get poppedThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-01-11 at 3:08 PM UTCIt makes no logical sense, but it's weird seeing old men getting killed.
It's probably their first time actually seeing a Russian, since it looks they've just been cowering in the hole they are in firing into the bushes. Whereas Wagner is aggressively encircling, attacking and demonstrating initiative. -
2023-01-11 at 3:20 PM UTC
Originally posted by Donald Trump It makes no logical sense, but it's weird seeing old men getting killed.
It's probably their first time actually seeing a Russian, since it looks they've just been cowering in the hole they are in firing into the bushes. Whereas Wagner is aggressively encircling, attacking and demonstrating initiative.
they're conscripting men up to 60 with no combat experience, I can't really say how old he looks but if he's at the higher end of the scale he has no business being on the battlefield. it was him not giving up his gun that got the other two (one? not sure if the third guy was already dead) killedThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-01-11 at 3:35 PM UTCYeah, he wasted a good opportunity graciously given to them to get to go home alive. I bet if they were muslims instead of fellow slavs the Wagner guy would have cleared their hole out with a grenade and not given it a second though.
Lesson from all these attempted surrender videos : if you get invited to surrender then unless you have a better plan you better fucking surrender quick and do it convincingly. -
2023-01-11 at 4:09 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson but 1 isn't "many", neither is 2…or 3…
I'm questioning the quantity, not the cost.The Gerald R. Ford class is a class of nuclear powered aircraft carriers currently being constructed for the United States Navy. The class, with a planned total of ten ships, will replace the Navy's current carriers on a one-for-one basis, starting with the lead ship, Gerald R. Ford, replacing Enterprise (CVN-65), and then eventually taking the place of the existing Nimitz-class carriers. The new vessels hav
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_R._Ford-class_aircraft_carrier
british math. -
2023-01-11 at 4:42 PM UTChttps://www.rt.com/russia/569712-gerasimov-appoints-ukraine-operation/
The head of the Russian General Staff, Army General Valery Gerasimov, has been appointed to lead Moscow’s joint forces group in Ukraine, the defense ministry said in a statement on Wednesday. The former commander of the military operation, Army General Sergey Surovikin, has been made his deputy.
The need to “raise the operation command level” was linked to an “increased scale of the combat missions,” and the need for closer coordination between various services and branches of the armed forces, the ministry said.
here we go, I guess -
2023-01-11 at 4:45 PM UTCis it in yet
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2023-01-11 at 4:46 PM UTCDoes that mean the next phase is imminent? How long do you think it will be?
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2023-01-11 at 4:52 PM UTC
Originally posted by Donald Trump Does that mean the next phase is imminent? How long do you think it will be?
I think it was delayed because getting all the mobiks to the front was taking longer than expected; they'd planned on getting the full 300k by mid December but it was sitting at around 200k at the end. not sure what the number is now. Ukrainian intelligence agencies claim that a wider mobilisiation is in the works but given how things are going, it seems more like an attempt at demoralisation than anything else.
Prigozhin's making a big deal of Wagner alone taking Soledar (and he appears to have a lot of pull with the military), so I think he's pushing the main force to hold back until Wagner can prove how big and tuff they are by taking Bakhmut. we'll probably see the new offensive once they either succeed or get embarassed.
who knows though really, it could kick off in an hourThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-01-11 at 5:13 PM UTCThe T-80s are the best tanks.
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2023-01-11 at 6:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_R._Ford-class_aircraft_carrier
british math.
Didn't answer my question.
How many do you consider "many"?
10? 20?
Poor vinny, thinks $15 a month is "many monies"
