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What does most of philosphy come back to?
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2017-05-15 at 5:40 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny What "serious, deep, study" of existentialism have you done Malice?
Hey, you little bitch, you could have at least appreciated the sentiment behind what I wrote, my attempt to convey what drives me, and likely others. I actually specifically had you in mind at one point as being able to appreciate that, an instead you seem to attempt to belittle me.
Although, I suppose it would be pretty hypocritical to complain since I can be about the most demeaning, berating, belittling, condescending, elitist etc. person you'll ever meet.
Could have misinterpreted it, but it does come off that way.
Shit, we both read a fuckton. Pretty simple answer. Not like either of us come close to being able to compete on an academic level. We wouldn't spend so much time here if we could. -
2017-05-15 at 5:45 AM UTCPhilosophy comes back God, I'd think. I get most people here aren't religious, but suppose if God was real, you'd have an answer to all of your questions.
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2017-05-15 at 5:50 AM UTC
Originally posted by Dionysus Philosophy is a dead field.
I must disagree! I'd say philosophy is more relevant noe than ever before, with the rate of change and increase in suffering, people need some way to reconcile their new situation with 20 years past, 20 years hence, their expectations for their life and future, and compare it, at least, to their ancestors and how they lived (if no other frame of reference exists)
And that's just one situation. There are literally limitless questions and even more answers.
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2017-05-15 at 5:51 AM UTC^ Nah. Does anyone even take this seriously anymore? Of course this isn't accurate, but it honestly feels like Kierkegaard was the last great philosopher who took this seriously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus#Epicurean_paradox
"God, he says, either wishes to take away evils, and is unable; or He is able, and is unwilling; or He is neither willing nor able, or He is both willing and able. If He is willing and is unable, He is feeble, which is not in accordance with the character of God; if He is able and unwilling, He is envious, which is equally at variance with God; if He is neither willing nor able, He is both envious and feeble, and therefore not God; if He is both willing and able, which alone is suitable to God, from what source then are evils? Or why does He not remove them?"
I recall Dawkins using this argument during a segment of some program, just something I randomly remember seeing a long time ago.
It's just pretty amusing that even over 2,000 years ago, with all their limitations, the lack of knowledge we now have, they still had pretty solid arguments against the existence of god. The whole concept of it honestly gives me a good light-hearted chuckle. -
2017-05-15 at 5:55 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice "He is both willing and able, which alone is suitable to God, from what source then are evils? Or why does He not remove them?"
I recall Dawkins using this argument during a segment of some program, just something I randomly remember seeing a long time ago.
It's just pretty amusing that even over 2,000 years ago, with all their limitations, the lack of knowledge we now have, they still had pretty solid arguments against the existence of god. The whole concept of it honestly gives me a good light-hearted chuckle.
I politely disagree. I'd say God is both willing and able. The source of evils comes from man's disobedience to God. He will remove them, just not right now. -
2017-05-15 at 5:56 AM UTC
Originally posted by Dionysus Philosophy is a dead field.
No, my brother, it only appears as such because god is dead, and we are the ones who killed him. The nihilism and cultural decline, profound and ubiquitous decadence, that the great prophet, teacher, and sage Nietzsche, only person to have attained true ubermensch status, which is superior to Buddhahood, foretold has come to pass! -
2017-05-15 at 6:02 AM UTC
Originally posted by Dargo I politely disagree. I'd say God is both willing and able. The source of evils comes from man's disobedience to God. He will remove them, just not right now.
Aww man, it's such a damn shame so many people are indoctrinated into this and never manage to break out.
In a way I envy you, the thought that there's this all powerful figure looking out for you, that at the end everything will be okay, you'll meet your loved ones and live happily ever after in pure bliss and perfection, while the wicked are punished, must be a profoundly comforting thought.
But it is just unbelievably childish to me, and as a psychologist, you should be able to understand what fundamental aspects of human nature have lead religion to arise almost universally, with almost every person, for the majority of existence, being convinced that theirs was the one true belief.
Like Twain said, “Faith is believing what you know ain't so.” It's an attempt to explain a world, aspects of existence, they didn't understand or couldn't come to terms with. I'm simply psychologically incapable of convincing myself of matters of this nature. -
2017-05-15 at 6:09 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice Aww man, it's such a damn shame so many people are indoctrinated into this and never manage to break out.
In a way I envy you, the thought that there's this all powerful figure looking out for you, that at the end everything will be okay, you'll meet your loved ones and live happily ever after in pure bliss and perfection, while the wicked are punished, must be a profoundly comforting thought.
But it is just unbelievably childish to me, and as a psychologist, you should be able to understand what fundamental aspects of human nature have lead religion to arise almost universally, with almost every person, for the majority of existence, being convinced that theirs was the one true belief.
Like Twain said, “Faith is believing what you know ain't so.” It's an attempt to explain a world, aspects of existence, they didn't understand or couldn't come to terms with. I'm simply psychologically incapable of convincing myself of matters of this nature.
First of all, I wasn't raised religious, so I wasn't indoctrinated into it.
Second, if I'm being 100% honest, being a Christian can really fucking suck sometimes. It's not all unicorns and rainbows in my head. That said, you're right in that believing in God is a comforting thought. At the end of the day, all I have to do is follow God, and nothing else matters. Even if I wind up broke, homeless, dead, or whatever. God covers it all.
As a psychologist, yes, I can see where peoples' delusions intertwine with their religious beliefs - even in self-professed Christians. At the end of the day however, there are distinct reasons why I believe the Christian God is real apart from blind faith. And consequently, if the Christian God is real, all other Gods are false and philosophy appears to be a moot point. -
2017-05-15 at 6:17 AM UTC“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.” - Mark Twain
or even before that:
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, death has not come, and when death has come, we are not. - Epicurus
It's our most innate and powerful fear, we evolved this for a clear reason. It's terrifying, but comforting in a way. There are also major problems with identity and consciousness that suggest you may have never quite existed in the manner you think you do. Of course something is occurring, but it's incredibly complex and no one really has a satisfying answer to what exactly it is.
I think of it as a sort of eternal peace. Whatever happens, you're immune from any suffering, any of the horrors of existence, the endless striving without end. There's a certain beauty to it.
Oh, since you're a Christian, what do you think of Ecclesiastes? It's probably the best part of the bible, especially if you're aware that the final passage about obeying god and his commandments was likely not part of the original, but later added. -
2017-05-15 at 6:27 AM UTCI agree. I like the concept of death. I'm not going to commit suicide, but dying doesn't scare me at all. It'll be a nice relief. From a Christian perspective, Christians will go to heaven, and others will be burned up. There's no eternal suffering, contrary to popular belief. Just one final painful death, and then it's like you never existed.
Ecclesiastes is a fun read. Solomon essentially obtained everything, and then realized it was worthless. He was right in saying to enjoy what you have now, but realize your life apart from God is ultimately meaningless. True meaning is found only by fulfilling the purpose for which you were created - not chasing after earthly luxury.
I can't say that I'm aware of any additions to Ecclesiastes.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-05-15 at 6:55 AM UTCYou would not survive experiencing infinite dimensions simultaneously but it's as simple as that. Can you perceive the concept of infinite looping reality happening in an instant in parallel with itself spread across independent fabrics of spacetime colliding endlessly into each other?.
The Laws of reality are quite evident when you can experience them in all forms.
The human brain does not have the capacity to process this information all at once which is why it seems to behave in fragments when we observe it. We cannot keep up with the large amounts of information streaming by all the time, being bound to gravity and light for survival also interfere with this understanding.
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2017-05-15 at 7:06 AM UTC
Originally posted by SCronaldo_J_Trump You would not survive experiencing infinite dimensions simultaneously but it's as simple as that. Can you perceive the concept of infinite looping reality happening in an instant in parallel with itself spread across independent fabrics of spacetime colliding endlessly into each other?.
The Laws of reality are quite evident when you can experience them in all forms.
The human brain does not have the capacity to process this information all at once which is why it seems to behave in fragments when we observe it. We cannot keep up with the large amounts of information streaming by all the time, being bound to gravity and light for survival also interfere with this understanding.
I like to think some of us are better equipped to handle the harshness of greater reality than others. It's a cliche opinion but psychedelics either train you to resist it, or ease you in, or maybe offer a buffer.
Psychedelics notwithstanding some just are better at perceiving what is going on, on all levels.
I dont doubt that the whole of greater reality being laid in its great burden on an unprepared or wrong mind would destroy it, but it's like the sun. Looking directly into it at the wrong time, or without proper precautions is just asking to be hurt.
I do believe though that some of us can shoulder that burden though. I'd also believe that this site probably has a higher concentration of those who can than the average populace. Or at least more people who'd react interestingly -
2017-05-15 at 7:20 AM UTC
Originally posted by DocFoster I like to think some of us are better equipped to handle the harshness of greater reality than others. It's a cliche opinion but psychedelics either train you to resist it, or ease you in, or maybe offer a buffer.
Psychedelics notwithstanding some just are better at perceiving what is going on, on all levels.
I dont doubt that the whole of greater reality being laid in its great burden on an unprepared or wrong mind would destroy it, but it's like the sun. Looking directly into it at the wrong time, or without proper precautions is just asking to be hurt.
I do believe though that some of us can shoulder that burden though. I'd also believe that this site probably has a higher concentration of those who can than the average populace. Or at least more people who'd react interestingly
I'm not just talking about psychological concepts, I mean the human body is physically limited in a lot of ways which limits understanding. You must shed your humanity if you wish to know more.
I am not the same as these creatures, You are just mere animals to Demigods like us. -
2017-05-15 at 7:21 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice You are smarter and far more well read than me, in part because of your privileged life. I readily admit I am not worthy of debating with you, I have no formal education, and you completely outclass me when it comes to proper argumentation.
Originally posted by Malice Hey, you little bitch, you could have at least appreciated the sentiment behind what I wrote, my attempt to convey what drives me, and likely others. I actually specifically had you in mind at one point as being able to appreciate that, an instead you seem to attempt to belittle me.
Aww, I didn't mean it like that. It's just existentialism is a notoriously misunderstood tradition. The way we tend to use the term in every day language has next to nothing to do with the thought of anyone who was considered an existentialist. -
2017-05-15 at 7:35 AM UTCWoah, holy shit, I totally did misuse the term. Whelp, my bad.
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2017-05-15 at 7:45 AM UTCmotherfucking.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-05-15 at 12:55 PM UTCI actually just cracked the ultimate philosophy.
Check it
Patience, kindness, and generosity, I'm all things -
2017-05-15 at 3:08 PM UTC
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2017-05-15 at 3:51 PM UTCIt all comes back to "you don't know shit", basically
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2017-05-15 at 3:59 PM UTC
