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Ukraine to hold referendums on joining Russia
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2022-09-23 at 2:39 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Well they already tried and failed didn't they…that was also thousands of lives and millions/billions of equipment ago…and they aren't doing any better conventionally.
Again…pretty much the same decision the USA made, save lives and end the war quickly…it worked for the USA.
No, they've made a special point not to attack civilian and political infrastructure. They've chosen not to destroy Ukraine's political centre. Why?
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson "In order to avoid such a high casualty rate, Truman decided–over the moral reservations of Secretary of War Henry Stimson, General Dwight Eisenhower and a number of the Manhattan Project scientists–to use the atomic bomb in the hopes of bringing the war to a quick end."
Japan was already in talks to surrender to the USSR (after the destruction of the Kwantung army) and even the US strategic bomber command fought against using nuclear weapons because conventional bombings were deemed sufficient. The reason they were used was to force Japan into surrendering to the US and as an open threat to the USSR. This is not relevant to the current situation.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2022-09-23 at 2:42 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra No, they've made a special point not to attack civilian and political infrastructure. They've chosen not to destroy Ukraine's political centre. Why?
Japan was already in talks to surrender to the USSR and even the US strategic bomber command fought against using nuclear weapons because conventional bombings were deemed sufficient. The reason they were used was to force Japan into surrendering to the US and as an open threat to the USSR. This is not relevant to the current situation.
"similar".
Again the purpose of dropping the bomb on Japan was to cut casualties/save money/end the war quickly (which it did all 3)....that's all relevant to the current situation from Putin's point of view who is under pressure from within to get it done and end the massive cost/loss of Russian lives.
he's already alluded to it...and days before the "referendum"...coincidence? -
2022-09-23 at 2:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra No, they've made a special point not to attack civilian and political infrastructure. They've chosen not to destroy Ukraine's political centre. Why?
Lol @ not attacking civilian infrastructure....
Yes the plan was originally to take Kiev QUICKLY, they had it surrounded for days...they failed and retreated. -
2022-09-23 at 2:54 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Again the purpose of dropping the bomb on Japan was to cut casualties/save money/end the war quickly (which it did all 3)….that's all relevant to the current situation from Putin's point of view who is under pressure from within to get it done and end the massive cost/loss of Russian lives.
No, it wasn't. I just explained why - in short, the US was more concerned about the USSR as a potential threat at that point, considering the Axis was more or less destroyed. See OPERATION DROPSHOT.
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Lol @ not attacking civilian infrastructure….
Yes the plan was originally to take Kiev QUICKLY, they had it surrounded for days…they failed and retreated.
Up until a week ago, lights and communications were still on all across the country.
Regardless of what you think their intentions were at the time, they've dropped Kalibrs and Iskanders on military targets in and around Kiev throughout the war. They could just as easily destroy political centres.
Again... Why do you think nuclear weapons would do something conventional weapons wouldn't? -
2022-09-23 at 3 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra No, it wasn't. I just explained why - in short, the US was more concerned about the USSR as a potential threat at that point, considering the Axis was more or less destroyed. See OPERATION DROPSHOT.
Up until a week ago, lights and communications were still on all across the country.
Meanwhile civilian infrastructure has been targeted directly..hospitals, residential centers etc with intercepted communications captured from generals effectively saying "kill them allllll".Regardless of what you think their intentions were at the time, they've dropped Kalibrs and Iskanders on military targets in and around Kiev throughout the war. They could just as easily destroy political centres.
Well it's not just what I think, the general consensus is they failed to take Kiev because they were ill equipped, poorly trained, lacking supplies and that lead to Ukrainian forces building a strong defensive line.Again… Why do you think nuclear weapons would do something conventional weapons wouldn't?
Again...I've answered this TWICE already -
2022-09-23 at 3 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson This is so once they put this fake referendum is in place any attacks on the regions concerned will be deemed a direct attack on Russian territory and give Putin the go ahead to NUKE THE FUCKING PLACE...like he threatened he would if Russia was attacked.
You heard it here first folks.
nuke their own borders.
very smart.
now go back to the kitchen to roast me some mountain salted peanuts. -
2022-09-23 at 3:01 PM UTC
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2022-09-23 at 3:02 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Meanwhile civilian infrastructure has been targeted directly..hospitals, residential centers etc with intercepted communications captured from generals effectively saying "kill them allllll".
Well it's not just what I think, the general consensus is they failed to take Kiev because they were ill equipped, poorly trained, lacking supplies and that lead to Ukrainian forces building a strong defensive line.
Again…I've answered this TWICE already
southfront.org
at least read some KGB propaganda materials first, ummmkay -
2022-09-23 at 3:02 PM UTC
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2022-09-23 at 3:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Meanwhile civilian infrastructure has been targeted directly..hospitals, residential centers etc with intercepted communications captured from generals effectively saying "kill them allllll".
uh huh. where did you hear this?
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Well it's not just what I think, the general consensus is they failed to take Kiev because they were ill equipped, poorly trained, lacking supplies and that lead to Ukrainian forces building a strong defensive line.
You mean the 'Russians are going to run out of fuel and ammo in three days' 'general consensus'?
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Again…I've answered this TWICE already
You haven't answered this at all. The only thing that comes close to an answer is 'nuclear bombs can kill the politicians in Kiev', as if they were immune to KALIBRs. -
2022-09-23 at 3:07 PM UTC
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2022-09-23 at 3:07 PM UTC
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2022-09-23 at 3:07 PM UTC
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2022-09-23 at 3:10 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra uh huh. where did you hear this?
lol...Ummm multiple sources/mass media/videos/citizens blogging/etc etcYou mean the 'Russians are going to run out of fuel and ammo in three days' 'general consensus'?
You mean they had 10s of miles long lines of heavy equipment parked up outside of Kiev for days and then just withdrew them all because they had nothing better to do?You haven't answered this at all. The only thing that comes close to an answer is 'nuclear bombs can kill the politicians in Kiev', as if they were immune to KALIBRs.
Yeah you need to go read it again...I've answered this TWICE and at no point said what you put in quotes "nuclear bombs can kill the politicians in kiev"
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2022-09-23 at 3:12 PM UTC
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2022-09-23 at 3:13 PM UTCYou're also both assuming Putin is of sound mind and listening to his advisors...
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2022-09-23 at 3:18 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson lol…Ummm multiple sources/mass media/videos/citizens blogging/etc etc
uh huh
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson You mean they had 10s of miles long lines of heavy equipment parked up outside of Kiev for days and then just withdrew them all because they had nothing better to do?
It was largely to tie up and cut off reinforcements to the east, where 70+% of Ukraine's standing army was staging to start a new 'ATO' on the Donbass.
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Yeah you need to go read it again…I've answered this TWICE and at no point said what you put in quotes "nuclear bombs can kill the politicians in kiev"
oh?
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Wiping out the president/commanders and psychologically significant center of power would result in the rest of Ukraine surrendering.
if you assume the pretext is true, that 'decapitation' could work, you think this can't be done with conventional weapons? -
2022-09-23 at 3:24 PM UTC
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2022-09-23 at 3:27 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson
depends on the yield and if you detonate on the ground or in the air…stay in school kid. A small tactical nuke will have minimal effect on the Russian border…when there's nothing but cows there anyway.
a small tactical nuke doesnt count as "nuke" in the sense that will not trigger MAD.
pls explain why would the russians resort to deploying more expensive, tactical nukes when their conventional bombs have equal or higher yeild than unconventional, nuclear powered ones. -
2022-09-23 at 3:29 PM UTC
