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2022-09-21 at 9 AM UTCtanker to tanker transfers have been a thing for a long time (israel and Turkey did it to keep getting cheap oil from ISIS when they controlled Syrian oilfields, Venezuela, Iran and NK have been doing it to avoid sanctions and embargoes etc) but it seems trickier to do with LNG than oil or coal. That and the entire reason Europe relies on Russian gas is because the pipelines are able to pump way more product at a much lower cost than sea transport
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2022-09-21 at 9:27 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Also general status of things as they stand? Summary?
Last i heard on a random social media site was that a second big front might be opened and that Russia is to commit more forces. Also, i've been hearing about incendiary ordnance. Probably BS, because you use those to burn down cities, or i guess supply depots. IIRC incendiary ordnance is banned under the Geneva conventions. I know for a fact White Phosphorous is banned. Not that you could enforce that. Looking at you America.
Both sides are *officially* quite quiet on what's going on.
Unofficially the Izium offensive took a lot of territory because it was meant as a pincer attack to encircle the Russian forces there and inflict massive casualties, but they telegraphed it enough that Russian forces were able to withdraw their (smaller) armies East to the river (add river name when I remember) where they have dense indirect fire units.
If you believe the Russian chatter, the AFU have suffered massive casualties in these counteroffensive which is why Kiev has said little about their status outside of the territory they've retaken - Russia has a huge advantage when it comes to indirect fires and these ground attacks have been massive troop and armor movements across the open steppe. The downside is that they've essentially abandoned those cities to the AFU's brutal purges of 'Russian collaborators', which is going to cause them major problems with 'hearts and minds' in any territory they move into, and especially if/when they retake the Izium region.
There are rumours of the AFU committing significantly more forces to the region to push the offensive but I haven't seen anything concrete.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2022-09-21 at 9:52 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Both sides are *officially* quite quiet on what's going on.
Unofficially the Izium offensive took a lot of territory because it was meant as a pincer attack to encircle the Russian forces there and inflict massive casualties, but they telegraphed it enough that Russian forces were able to withdraw their (smaller) armies East to the river (add river name when I remember) where they have dense indirect fire units.
If you believe the Russian chatter, the AFU have suffered massive casualties in these counteroffensive which is why Kiev has said little about their status outside of the territory they've retaken - Russia has a huge advantage when it comes to indirect fires and these ground attacks have been massive troop and armor movements across the open steppe. The downside is that they've essentially abandoned those cities to the AFU's brutal purges of 'Russian collaborators', which is going to cause them major problems with 'hearts and minds' in any territory they move into, and especially if/when they retake the Izium region.
There are rumours of the AFU committing significantly more forces to the region to push the offensive but I haven't seen anything concrete.
AFU dun goofed. Also them being zealous in purging any perceived pro-Russian elements, will be good for Russia in terms of PR. Russia is very good at narrative control, and i mean locally where it matters most. Like you said hearts and minds. Which is, i believe, the reason they have been very specific and restrained in their use of force.
When you go down the road of tyranny, more tyranny is the only way to keep control. Put in context, that means your enemy is more likely to be regarded as liberator than as invader. -
2022-09-21 at 10:59 AM UTCoh shit nigger Russia's calling in 300k veteran reservists, that roughly triples the size of the operation
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2022-09-21 at 11:10 AM UTC
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2022-09-21 at 11:27 AM UTC
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2022-09-21 at 11:28 AM UTCusa and nato goal: bankrupt russia with their retarded war mongering to collapse its countrya nd economy just like it did in the soviet union and outs putin economically.
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2022-09-21 at 11:29 AM UTC"If you believe the Russian chatter, the AFU have suffered massive casualties in these counteroffensive which is why Kiev has said little about their status outside of the territory they've retaken - Russia has a huge advantage when it comes to indirect fires and these ground attacks have been massive troop and armor movements across the open steppe. The downside is that they've essentially abandoned those cities to the AFU's brutal purges of 'Russian collaborators', which is going to cause them major problems with 'hearts and minds' in any territory they move into, and especially if/when they retake the Izium region."
you mean pro kremlin putin propagandist chatter? You actually believe supressed news or press or coming out of a country where journalists are killed routinely? -
2022-09-21 at 11:30 AM UTChey aldra if you want polish chatter or learn about the polish view on russia you should read kapuscinski's Imperium. Havbe you read it? Ive read it in jail and had others read it and one dude even said hes never read a book about someone talking about a country they hate so much.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2022-09-21 at 11:32 AM UTCif u believe pollack frums aka polishforums.com chatter aldra from the world famous american hockey fan slash polish shitposter:
"NATO was likely expecting a full mobilization. Partial mobilization of already trained military speeds the deployment, but not fast enough. And what weapons are these reservists and veterans going to be using? Cold war era weapons that cannot compete with NATO weapons? Right about now, everyone in Washington is trying to figure out a way to make this mobilization futile. Everyone in NATO is likely just waiting for word from Washington to start sending more and bigger weapons.
I would expect more US military arriving in the EU over the coming weeks. Putin escalates and NATO will respond. 300K to the front means a lot more body bags need to be produced, and a lot more funerals will be held. The vast majority of which will be Russian." -
2022-09-21 at 11:36 AM UTChey aldra didnt you and vinny claim russia is only using like 10 percent of its potential or forces and aint losing much human potential or soldiers? so why draft so many more or anothr 300k if as you say they were just toying with ukraine and losing hardly anything?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2022-09-21 at 11:37 AM UTCstar trek, if ukraine is nazi as fuck, so is poland. i mean sure not actual nazi stuff like swastikas but right wing as fuck and conservative and backwards as fuck and nationalistic as fuck. ever heard of that stupid march they do in warsaw annually drawing the attention of vice?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2022-09-21 at 11:46 AM UTCgoddamnit wariat why do you insist on being aggressively retarded
Originally posted by Wariat oh shit nigger russia is getting their asses kicked and will bankrupt soon with their shit italy size gdp lol.
GDP is a retarded way of actually measuring anything, it's mostly just used to exaggerate service/FIRE economies. have a look into PPP or CINC.
Originally posted by Wariat usa and nato goal: bankrupt russia with their retarded war mongering to collapse its countrya nd economy just like it did in the soviet union and outs putin economically.
the Russian economy's doing fine; they've created a huge agricultural sector, diverted the LNG and oil they were previously selling to Europe to India and China and thanks to the sanctions choking the market, are making more off of less product.
Originally posted by Wariat you mean pro kremlin putin propagandist chatter? You actually believe supressed news or press or coming out of a country where journalists are killed routinely?
go back a few pages, I posted a link where even WaPo interviewed AFU guys in hospital and they themselves said they were taking at least 5:1 casualties when they weren't just being pummeled with standoff weapons. This was for the Kherson offensive that was repulsed; at Izium they pushed thorugh it so it stands to reason their casualties are higher.
Originally posted by Wariat hey aldra if you want polish chatter or learn about the polish view on russia you should read kapuscinski's Imperium. Havbe you read it? Ive read it in jail and had others read it and one dude even said hes never read a book about someone talking about a country they hate so much.
why would I want that
Originally posted by Wariat if u believe pollack frums aka polishforums.com chatter aldra from the world famous american hockey fan slash polish shitposter:
"NATO was likely expecting a full mobilization. Partial mobilization of already trained military speeds the deployment, but not fast enough. And what weapons are these reservists and veterans going to be using? Cold war era weapons that cannot compete with NATO weapons? Right about now, everyone in Washington is trying to figure out a way to make this mobilization futile. Everyone in NATO is likely just waiting for word from Washington to start sending more and bigger weapons.
what a retard
even if Russia weren't entire generations ahead of the west in key areas, WWII-era artillery and MLRS have killed more people than any other weapons system in the world.
as it stands, Russia's on it's first partial mobilisation and the Ukraine's on what, fifth? sixth? I don't think they even count them as discrete mobilisations anymore
Originally posted by Wariat hey aldra didnt you and vinny claim russia is only using like 10 percent of its potential or forces and aint losing much human potential or soldiers? so why draft so many more or anothr 300k if as you say they were just toying with ukraine and losing hardly anything?
because they've re-evaluated their strategy? -
2022-09-21 at 11:58 AM UTCRe-evaluated strategy or started a second phase of their overall plan to achieve their strategic goals.
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2022-09-21 at 12:06 PM UTCI think they initially believed they'd be able to take most of the East with minimal fighting and would only have to deal with counterattacks after it'd been secured, which is why they started with such a (relatively) small expeditionary force. I don't know why it took them so long to reconfigure considering the contact line is way too massive to control with those numbers and progress has been extremely slow, but here we are.
I don't know if I fully buy the line that they intentionally turned it into a war of attrition because of their massive standoff advantage with the goal of depleting NATO's stockpiles, but who knows - in terms of goals the only things that they've made public are what they intend to do with the Ukraine, not the wider strategic situation with NATO and the 'butthurt belt' -
2022-09-21 at 12:11 PM UTCTrue enough. I guess we'll see what happens next.
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2022-09-21 at 12:21 PM UTClol more from polishforums:
Exclusive footage from the first stages of mobilization!
There's _both_ a couch! and a _refrigerator_!!!! For russia, that's like the one percent! So putain must mean business!!!!!
twitter.com/SupremeDmt/status/1572535836171972609 -
2022-09-21 at 12:24 PM UTCPutin needs to use a nuke, the moment is well overdue and it needs to be done to satisfy the worlds thirst for more drama. Nuke Kiev so that showboat will be taken out and his dumb tiktok/instagram/twittering will stop.
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2022-09-21 at 12:26 PM UTCif he nukes poland it will be the end of all russia for eternity.
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2022-09-21 at 12:28 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
