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2017-04-17 at 5:14 PM UTCdo you morons really believe that urban legend of people incapacitating people immediately by blowing scopolamine powder in their face? if you do then im sorry but you're too dumb and incapable of logical thought to be here
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2017-04-17 at 5:31 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Paws "Sleeping gas" is not a real thing. That's only in movies.
That's not true. Desflurane has the fastest onset, after that sevoflurane, but there are a dozen more. Before anyone complains, there was a guide on zoklet about how to make halogenated ethers that was piss easy. I forget what the precursors were though.
They do work like the movies though. Desflurane especially. I was unconscious in three breaths when I went under for surgery. -
2017-04-17 at 6:07 PM UTC
Originally posted by 1337 That's not true. Desflurane has the fastest onset, after that sevoflurane, but there are a dozen more. Before anyone complains, there was a guide on zoklet about how to make halogenated ethers that was piss easy. I forget what the precursors were though.
They do work like the movies though. Desflurane especially. I was unconscious in three breaths when I went under for surgery.
What I mean is there's no substance that you can just fill up a canister with and then throw it into a crowded room full of people of varying height, weight, and gender and everyone just gets knocked out harmlessly. You need to carefully estimate the right balance of not using too little that the desired effect is not achieved and not too much that the person doesn't ever wake up. And there's always the chance of a harmful/deadly adverse reaction either way. -
2017-04-17 at 6:08 PM UTCThat's how Karla Homolka killed her sister after fucking her
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2017-04-17 at 6:30 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Paws What I mean is there's no substance that you can just fill up a canister with and then throw it into a crowded room full of people of varying height, weight, and gender and everyone just gets knocked out harmlessly. You need to carefully estimate the right balance of not using too little that the desired effect is not achieved and not too much that the person doesn't ever wake up. And there's always the chance of a harmful/deadly adverse reaction either way.
Who said anything about not causing harm? Just open a tank up wide open and fill a room. This is bad ideas not the safety sanctuary. Maybe have some oxygen on hand in you're a pussy. -
2017-04-17 at 6:46 PM UTCThen it's not sleeping gas, it's poison gas
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2017-04-17 at 7:06 PM UTC
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2017-04-17 at 7:20 PM UTCcarbon monoxide would put you to sleep before it killed you.
the variables are to adverse to calculate. you have no way of knowing the persons lung capacity, what ratio of substance/air they would breathe in any go. then you got to factor in air currents and wind. also are they on medication or have any conditions that might affect result. its a fucking minefield. and even if you spray straight into face, what if they're breathing out at that moment(50/50), or they react quick and pull away. the tables could easy turn on you in such a situation. you could end up twisted up and held till cops get there. -
2017-04-17 at 7:28 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic do you morons really believe that urban legend of people incapacitating people immediately by blowing scopolamine powder in their face? if you do then im sorry but you're too dumb and incapable of logical thought to be here
Have you ever tripped low dose on Scopo?
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2017-04-17 at 7:31 PM UTCthats best bet, just offer the dude a line of scop, i mean coke ;)The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-04-17 at 7:34 PM UTCif you want them actually asleep crush up 3 xanax bars and offer line of 'coke'
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2017-04-18 at 12:30 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie This, aerosolized carfentanyl will put you to sleep real fast.
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2017-04-18 at 10:23 AM UTC
Originally posted by Hash Slinging Slasher https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolokol-1
Originally posted by wikipedia At least 129 hostages died during the ensuing raid; nearly all of these fatalities were attributed to the effects of the aerosolised incapacitating agent that was pumped into the theatre to subdue the militants.
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2017-04-18 at 10:29 AM UTC
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2017-04-18 at 10:33 AM UTCits still near 1 in 6 casualty rate. how you gonna be sure your vic isn't a 1/6?
you also gotta manage this without getting a breathful yourself by accident. -
2017-04-18 at 10:35 AM UTC
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2017-04-18 at 10:40 AM UTC
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2017-04-18 at 4:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra that often gets brought up as a spetsnaz fuckup but even 130 dead out of 850 was a good result - there were 50 hostage-takers with explosives and automatic weapons who fully intended to kill them all.
It was later discovered that the whole thing was a complete setup by the FSB, the Russian secret service. They are the ones who recruited the Chechens terrorists, arranged for their travel to the site of the attack, and provided them explosives which they didn't know was fake. When the Chechens didn't kill the hostages, the FSB had the deadly gas pumped through the ventilation system to maximize civilian casualties. Several of the "hostage takers" were found to have been FSB operatives, who were discretely removed from the attack site shortly after the raid, and who were never found among the bodies of the other hostage takers. The purpose of this false flag was to give Putin more authority and public support to come down even harder on the Chechens. -
2017-04-18 at 5:19 PM UTCgot a source for that? sounds a lot like the Russian paranoia going around.
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2017-04-18 at 5:32 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra got a source for that? sounds a lot like the Russian paranoia going around.
IDK about the hostage situation but the FSB is no stranger to false flags.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings
Conveniently the buildings blew up as Russia needed a justification for the second Chechen war. Not only that, it drove Putin to the forefront of being the country's leader. The explosives were placed as by a demolition team, taking out critical support columns, not unlike 9/11. Also the explosive used was RDX. While not totally uncommon in terrorist attacks it's traditionally considered a military explosive.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
