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nootropics and a developing brain
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2015-07-24 at 12:54 AM UTC
I meant like hiding physical objects
I was a fucking ninja master of pinching my parents weed bags…I was a bit older then, but there was no where they could hide it from me
Obviously, your parents were feeding you nootropics. You were a goddamned mastermind.Spread those butt cheeks.
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2015-07-24 at 1:28 AM UTC
Obviously, your parents were feeding you nootropics. You were a goddamned mastermind.
I always do :)
correction: I am a goddamn mastermind. I wish you all could spend a week following me around to see how strange and terrible my life is. I am a motherfuckin' OG.
Also, the lore surrounding my birth is that my mom drank, smoke, and did speed while she was pregnant with me. She was barely in high school when she had me. -
2015-07-24 at 1:37 AM UTCI'm split between actually wanting to know the effects of nootropics in children vs the obvious ethical issue of a lay-person giving drugs with no history of use in children to their infant. In the end though I don't think we can justify it. I mean I'm happy to sacrifice some children for the advancement of scientific knowledge, especially since intelligence enhancement could reasonably be far more effective in the post-natal period and we stand to benefit greatly, as a society, from more information there. But ultimately an untrained mother giving doses of a schmorgesborg of chemicals based on... I don't even know what you'd base doses on, to a single infant (who we also know was exposed to at least two other drugs in the womb (not saying it was or wasn't harmful, but it would cast doubt on any results you might observe)) doesn't really serve any purpose. Even if you observed an amazing outcome, it wouldn't justify an actual rigorous study of whatever you ended up using by a medical institution in whose results we could have any meaningful level of faith. And the risk is obvious, the brain chemistry of infants is significantly different from that of adults, what's good for the goose is not always good for the gander (and adults taking nootropics are often rolling the dice themselves in the cases of drugs with little to no clinical history).
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2015-07-24 at 1:47 AM UTCP.S. I actually have some experience with medical imaging and no offense but refusing an ultrasound based on "but it was made in the 90s!"(not actually true) is dumb. There are some gnarly imaging techniques in the world (CT scans, while being one of the most informative techniques for non-cranial medical imaging, represent a very heavy dose of radiation relative to what we would otherwise be exposed to in a year) but ultrasounds isn't one of them. The images it produces are comparatively quite poor in quality because they're so low-energy, but that's why we use them for examining infants. Very smart people have spent a lot of time considering imaging protocols based on a lot of evidence, you take a lot more risk in denying your doctor information about potentially life threatening conditions than you do from exposing your child to ultrasounds.
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2015-07-24 at 2:16 AM UTCI read some scientific study from the 1950's where they were giving massive doses of LSD to schizophrenic children
I don't have a link to it, this was years ago, and I would have to look around to find it again, but if you do happen to look for it on your own and find it, it's quite a read. I remember being not quite sure how to feel about it after I read it. -
2015-07-24 at 2:19 AM UTCI bet malice has already posted this before. It seems like something he would find and post about.
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2015-07-24 at 3:26 AM UTCI just thought of something, it's perfect: www.examine.com/supplements/Royal+Jelly/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_jelly
Sublingual royal jelly to promote glial cell neurogenesis, a key component of intelligence/cognitive ability: www.google.com/search?q=glial+cells+intelligence
Think of the parallels, larvae are fed this for a prolonged period to become queen bees, bathed in it, common bees only for a few days. Sublingual administration is the secret due to low oral bioavailability.
It's perfectly safe. Think of receptors, how they're influenced by genetics, and the disorders they can cause. Dopamine production and ADD, GABA and anxiety. There's a clear correlation between brain size and intelligence. You'd simply be increasing the amount of these key cells during the period of largest and most rapid growth, the period most conductive to growth.
Substances that promote neurogenesis, upregulation, myelination (lion's mane extract, possibly nefiracetam IIRC), connections, are the one field I would focus on and recommend right now. -
2015-07-24 at 5:16 AM UTCYes Malice but it isn't all about genetics these days anymore, you need to take epi-genetics into consideration as well. And you can try to make your child as smart as you'd like with nootropics but if they suffer high anxiety growing up due to whatever circumstances chances are prefrontal cortex development will be stunted due to the effects of stress hormones.
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2015-07-24 at 7:05 AM UTC.You misread what I was saying. My reason to avoid them was not because they were from the 90's,rather the research done deeming them safe was from the early 90's and was relatively short and did not include things like how children developed metally later on. The machines we use now are much more powerful than the ones used in the studies from the 90's aswell. It is proven to cause cells to grow larger so it does have an effect and some people are suspicious in regards the the amount of use increasing in pregnancies and the rate of autism increasing. I did a good bit of research on the subject while pregnant and decided it wasnt worth the risk considering his first was normal and I had no complications to indicate getting one done (had there have been a good reason, say I began to bleed, of course I would have gotten one). People also forget ot wasnt that long ago ultrasounds werent even used. Many things can be assertained with a stethescope and palpating and yes Im no expert but we did this frequently and again there was no indication to suject him to an ultrasound. I didnt even find out his sex until he was born and trust me it was driving §m£ÂgØL crazy lol. I would have loved to have known his sex before. The reason I believe there hasnt been any real investigstions into ultrasounds is because of money- ultrasounds are big money for OB/GYNs and medicaid will pay for as many as the doctor believes are needed and today it is an insane amount compared to when I was a baby (Im 26 so this would be in 88-89 when I was still in the womb) and my mother only had 2 her entire pregnancy and the second one was done only because I was breach about a month before my birth so the cephalic inversion to her belly and flipped me around. You can determine the position of a baby by palpating the stomach so you dont really need an ultrasound to know position. I just want more info regarding ultrasounds from sources that arent biased since most the people who would spend money to fund studies stand to lose a lot of money if it were determined they have negstive effects on the fetus. I personally dont have any clue but decided to err on the side of caution once it was brought to my attention because like most mothers I didnt even think about it being a problem and Im not saying there is a problem- I just want more, better and uptodate research on the current ultrasound machines. LOL I almost bought one back when we had the farm animals so I could confirm them being bred/problems so I dont have anything against them except since it was brought up I now am concerned and dont know why more people arent. I know it is relatively mild but we are dealing with something that is newly forming before our eyes and is much more sensitive to influence than an adult body and we KNOW it influences cells growing larger. I did it only out of wanting to protect my baby, not to neglect or harm him and as said before had there been an indication, I would have done one without a second though. Fortunetly he was born health happy and is developing along nicely
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2015-07-24 at 7:55 AM UTCNote: Hydro guessed the gender months before he was born. Her husband guessed the exact date he was born and nearly got the weight right. I guessed nothing. :(
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2015-07-24 at 8:39 AM UTChttp://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/06/heritability-of-behavioral-traits/
§m£ÂgØL, what were you like as a child? It will be interesting if Hydro finds any similarities. ...They probably won't be positive things, unfortunately. -
2015-07-24 at 9:26 AM UTCI was a good kid, A+ grades, never missed a day, had lots of friends. Up until about 15 I was a perfect son. At about 15 I went downhill but I still always got good grades till I dropped out of high school. Still managed to graduate a month before my class with an actual diploma. I ditched a lot and started using/selling drugs too much is why I ended up dropping out. I went from like a 3.8gpa to second lowest I missed so much. In high school I wasn't popular past my drug use/sales. I was somewhat of a legend in school, always managed to get away with doing stupid shit. I occasionally have people I meet at parties or by chance tell me they're surprised I exist because no way can somebody like me exist.
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2015-07-24 at 10 AM UTC
I was a good kid, A+ grades, never missed a day, had lots of friends. Up until about 15 I was a perfect son. At about 15 I went downhill but I still always got good grades till I dropped out of high school. Still managed to graduate a month before my class with an actual diploma. I ditched a lot and started using/selling drugs too much is why I ended up dropping out. I went from like a 3.8gpa to second lowest I missed so much. In high school I wasn't popular past my drug use/sales. I was somewhat of a legend in school, always managed to get away with doing stupid shit. I occasionally have people I meet at parties or by chance tell me they're surprised I exist because no way can somebody like me exist.
He asked what you were like, not me. -
2015-07-24 at 10:19 AM UTC§m£ÂgØL, he guessed the weight dead on, 6lbs 7oz. The royal jelly does sound interesting and doesnt sound like it would be a problem but if I remember correctly they suggest avoiding honey in babies under a year because of a risk of botulism.. Im going to look into it though since it does seem safe at least from first appearances and if not Ill start him on it at a year if anything. Its just rich honey essentually so I cant imagine it could do anything more harmful than the current average diet of a child.
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2015-07-24 at 10:40 AM UTCDid he? I forgot I suppose, I thought it was a few oz off. I can't sleep hydro but don't text me I need to sleep at some point, how can I not sleep, I kept drinking :(
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2015-07-24 at 12:50 PM UTC
The royal jelly does sound interesting and doesnt sound like it would be a problem but if I remember correctly they suggest avoiding honey in babies under a year because of a risk of botulism.. Im going to look into it though since it does seem safe at least from first appearances and if not Ill start him on it at a year if anything. Its just rich honey essentually so I cant imagine it could do anything more harmful than the current average diet of a child.
It's freeze dried, so it wouldn't be an issue, fortunately. -
2015-07-24 at 1:20 PM UTCChecked it out and the order is placed so we will see. Thanks so much, I wasnt expecting to get that as a suggestion but after looking into it it seems like a good choice.
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2015-07-24 at 1:24 PM UTCgive your child fish oil and a lot of blueberries. Eggs for choline. Salmon. Maybe a multivitamin if theyre a bit of a picky eater. Don't use nootropics until the child is at least 12. And definitely don't give your kid tiantepine or a GABAergic noot.
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2015-07-24 at 3:01 PM UTCI was just discussing with §m£ÂgØL fish oil last night but I forgot to mention it in my last post. Im probablyl gonna give him that too. Looking into the lions mane mushroom still and am kinda on the fence about it but maybe.. I dont give him T-PAIN though I did use it throughout my pregnancy.
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2015-07-24 at 11:25 PM UTC
Checked it out and the order is placed so we will see. Thanks so much, I wasnt expecting to get that as a suggestion but after looking into it it seems like a good choice.
Aw, sweet. Given a baby's low body weight, you should only need a small amount, in the milligram range, placed under his tongue 2 or 3 times a day. It should last a very long time, stored in the refrigerator. I'd start with only around 20mg, see how he responds and move up to find the optimal dosage, dosed with a micro measuring spoon/scoop for convenience once you know the weight.
