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Do circles objectively exist?
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2021-10-27 at 10:15 PM UTC
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2021-10-27 at 10:31 PM UTC
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2021-10-27 at 10:50 PM UTC
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2021-10-28 at 1:13 AM UTC
Originally posted by mmG Sorry I mean the notion of circles doesn't correspond to any objective facts about the world.
Sure, that seems plausible. My first thought would be that some natural phenomena would be perfectly modeled by a circle or sphere. Like “the space where the gravitational force exerted by a massive point is some fixed value” would be a perfect hollow sphere in classical physics but there might be some relativistic or quantum fuckery that makes that not work. Idk, don’t know enough about physics to say. At very least perfect circles seem like a very good model for many objective phenomena though. -
2021-10-28 at 7:40 PM UTC
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2021-10-28 at 7:51 PM UTC
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2021-10-29 at 3:22 AM UTChow come a circle has 360 degrees. no more and no less? what defines a degree.
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2021-10-29 at 3:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by Quick Mix Ready how come a circle has 360 degrees. no more and no less? what defines a degree.
1/360th of a full rotation. It doesn't matter how you define degrees. It's totally arbitrary.
There's a more specific definition of a radian though.
If you take any given circle, take the length of the radius, then imagine wrapping it around the edge of the circle, the angle under the arc of the circle of the same length as the radius, is 1 radian.
So 1 full rotation is 2π radians. -
2021-10-29 at 3:47 PM UTCcircle exists otherwise people wouldnt be able to circlejerk.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2021-10-29 at 3:55 PM UTC
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2021-10-29 at 4:06 PM UTC
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2021-10-29 at 4:12 PM UTCIf the circles that actually exist aren't actually circular,
And the circles that are actually circular can't actually exist,
Has this become a circular argument? -
2021-10-29 at 6:44 PM UTC
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2021-10-29 at 8:20 PM UTCIf abstract geometric concepts like the perfect circle can be said to exist in the same way as imperfectly circular objects like the pupil of your eye, would you say these concepts exist outside of time? Did they exist before the big bang and will they continue to exist after the demise of the universe? Are you able to imagine a scenario where concepts like perfect circles are not able to exist?
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2021-10-29 at 8:51 PM UTCwhy do you always nigger up these threads
'can a perfect circle exist or is everything imperfect at a high enough resolution'
'but what if a circle is really a triangle!'The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-10-29 at 9:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe If abstract geometric concepts like the perfect circle can be said to exist in the same way as imperfectly circular objects like the pupil of your eye, would you say these concepts exist outside of time? Did they exist before the big bang and will they continue to exist after the demise of the universe? Are you able to imagine a scenario where concepts like perfect circles are not able to exist?
In my view they both only exist subjectively so when there is a general lack of any particular subjectivity in existence, then things that only exist subjectively also don't exist.
So for example both notions would ultimately be described not by the objects in the world they are meant to represent, but as phenomena related to how our brains model the world and divide it into such categories. And even that description would be subjective. So really they don't exist objectively in any meaningful way. -
2021-10-29 at 9:28 PM UTCTo be clear, ultimately in this view, things that exist subjectively would be some complicated subset of things that exist objectively rather than a real distinct class of facts. And for things that exist objectively, the potential for something existing a particular way doesn't count for actually existing, just the potential itself existing. Like a black vape objectively exists in my pocket right now whereas a maroon one objectively does not. Conceivability doesn't cut it. It doesn't even truly exist objectively. It's again another phenomenon that is more relevant to how we see the world rather than what is objectively the case.
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2021-10-29 at 9:37 PM UTC
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2021-10-29 at 10:28 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai They're objectively very similar to a perfect circle, hence "circular".
Not necessarily. The special relativity length contraction thing in general kind of throws a spanner in the whole concept of anything that appears circular to you "actually" being circular for example. -
2021-10-29 at 10:48 PM UTCif it looks like a dalit,
walks like a dalit,
clamours like a dalit ....
