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Can water be as cold as ice without being ice?

  1. #1
    mmQ Lisa Turtle
    As cold or colder than ice cold, but still in liquid form?

    Also, does the temperature of ice decrease coordinately with the surrounding air temperature? Basically, how cold can ice get?

    Maybe I should know these things. I wanted to give someone who already knows the answer a chance to boast instead of gewgling it.

    I really just want to be able to drink a glass of water that is twice as cold as any water I've ever had. Thank you.
  2. #2
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    I don't know for sure, gut feeling is that it probably can but it would have to be at a different pressure.

    Pretty sure drinking anything that cold would hurt.
  3. #3
    RestStop Space Nigga
    Yes. The trick is being able to drink it without disturbing it..how I don't know.
  4. #4
    NARCassist gollums fat coach
    pressure changes the boiling point, not actually sure if it affects the freezing point tho. possibly does. adding a little salt would but to still be drinkable, then not by much.
  5. #5
    NARCassist gollums fat coach
    also to drink water at a diffrent pressure you'd have to be in a pressure chamber at that pressure. else it would freeze again the moment you took it out of pressure.
  6. #6
    Yes it all depends on vapor pressure.

  7. #7
    mmQ Lisa Turtle
    Why would the water be colder but still liquid under a different pressure?
  8. #8
    You can supercool it like you can superheat it, cant you?

    You know like when you put it in the microwave and it doesn't boil til you chuck something in it can nucleate around.

    I think you can do the same, but with chilling it and then when you disturb it it all freezes.
  9. #9
    blackbird Tuskegee Airman
    The higher the salinity of the water the lower the temperature that it freezes at, though you wouldn’t be able to drink it.

    The temperature of ice can be at absolute zero which is the lowest temperature possible.
  10. #10
    mmQ Lisa Turtle
    OK so what's the super easy home made pressure changer model? I'm fasting from liquid until I can create this.

    Really though, what would be the most realistic route a layman such as myself would go about in pursuit of drinking a 2x as cold water? Is there a science lab or research institute nearby that might be able to assist me? Would it be expensive? Is it even really feasible?
  11. #11
    AngryOnion Big Wig [the nightly self-effacing broadsheet]
    I have done this before.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL7ALwb0RsQ
  12. #12
    benny vader YELLOW GHOST
    Originally posted by mmQ As cold or colder than ice cold, but still in liquid form?

    Also, does the temperature of ice decrease coordinately with the surrounding air temperature? Basically, how cold can ice get?

    Maybe I should know these things. I wanted to give someone who already knows the answer a chance to boast instead of gewgling it.

    I really just want to be able to drink a glass of water that is twice as cold as any water I've ever had. Thank you.

    define water : does it have to be 100% pure h2o ???
  13. #13
    mmQ Lisa Turtle
    Originally posted by benny vader define water : does it have to be 100% pure h2o ???

    As long as it practically tastes like water and won't make me ill, that's fine.
  14. #14
    benny vader YELLOW GHOST
    + Calcium chloride ???
  15. #15
    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    keep it moving like a slurpee
  16. #16
    NARCassist gollums fat coach
    Originally posted by AngryOnion I have done this before.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL7ALwb0RsQ

    yeah this, i forgot. ive seen it done with beer. something about the bubbles prevent the ice forming until its shaken.
  17. #17
    Malice Naturally Camouflaged
    Add anti-freeze to it. I'm pretty sure it's only toxic for dogs.
  18. #18
    It's also possible to supercool pure water at standard pressure if there are no nucleation sites within the liquid from which spontaneous crystallization can occur, and if it's cooled rapidly enough (like from room temperature to -130 degrees C within milliseconds). Look up amorphous ice.
  19. #19
    NARCassist gollums fat coach
    i think thats whats happening in ao's video.
  20. #20
    Originally posted by NARCassist i think thats whats happening in ao's video.

    Kind of. When the water in the bottle is disturbed suddenly and the vibrations create a flow of high and low pressure areas within the supercooled liquid that act as nucleation sites, homogenous crystallization occurs.

    In amorphous ice, crystallization is avoided until the water gets so cold that it turns into a different form of matter altogether.
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