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General Mark Milley is a patriot, a hero and a brave man.
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2021-09-17 at 6:39 PM UTChad himler or any one of hitlers general been as courageous and as proactive as miller in talking to his russian counterpart before hitler started to attack russia, nazi germany would have never been destroyed.
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2021-09-17 at 7:37 PM UTCHe sounds gay.
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2021-09-17 at 8:26 PM UTCdouble post
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2021-09-17 at 8:31 PM UTCHimmler wasn't a general he was Reichsfuhrer SS. Not only that at some point he assumed full control of Germany's security forces. So that's the GeStapo, OrPo and KriPo and it might have been the SD as well. Although the SD may have fallen under the command of the Abwehr. I'm not quite sure.
Also, as Reichsfuhrer SS the Waffen SS fell under his command as did the Einsatzgruppen, really a part of the SS if if i recall, but Himmler's portfolio was quite extensive and i don't think he was in the chain of command on any of the major military operations. Unless you consider anti-partisan activities major military operations, which i don't. -
2021-09-18 at 2:20 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Himmler wasn't a general he was Reichsfuhrer SS. Not only that at some point he assumed full control of Germany's security forces. So that's the GeStapo, OrPo and KriPo and it might have been the SD as well. Although the SD may have fallen under the command of the Abwehr. I'm not quite sure.
Also, as Reichsfuhrer SS the Waffen SS fell under his command as did the Einsatzgruppen, really a part of the SS if if i recall, but Himmler's portfolio was quite extensive and i don't think he was in the chain of command on any of the major military operations. Unless you consider anti-partisan activities major military operations, which i don't.
hes like one of the most powerful underlings of hitler administration. if there has to be a coup it has to involve him. -
2021-09-18 at 2:21 AM UTC
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2021-09-18 at 2:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny hes like one of the most powerful underlings of hitler administration. if there has to be a coup it has to involve him.
Probably Hitler, Goering, Himmler. The trifecta of Nazi power. Goering was a bit of a loser during the war, but he held his own at the Nuremberg Trials. -
2021-09-18 at 2:18 PM UTCwhom
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2021-09-18 at 2:18 PM UTC
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2021-09-18 at 2:19 PM UTCAlso the German armed forces swore an oath of personal loyalty to Hitler. IDK how you gonna get the army onboard with a coup, or even a palace coup.
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2021-09-18 at 2:19 PM UTC
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2021-09-18 at 2:27 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Also the German armed forces swore an oath of personal loyalty to Hitler. IDK how you gonna get the army onboard with a coup, or even a palace coup.
this is whats so dangerous with cult personality, which is how trump prevailed.
it was hitlers bad judgement and the faith of his follower in hitlers infalibility that destroyed their germany. -
2021-09-18 at 4:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny this is whats so dangerous with cult personality, which is how trump prevailed.
it was hitlers bad judgement and the faith of his follower in hitlers infalibility that destroyed their germany.
After Barbarossa kinda went to shit after the massive initial success yes. Hitler stopped listening to his generals as much as he used to. Out of necessity Stalin started to listen more to Stavka, or his generals and military leaders. -
2021-09-18 at 4:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie After Barbarossa kinda went to shit after the massive initial success yes. Hitler stopped listening to his generals as much as he used to. Out of necessity Stalin started to listen more to Stavka, or his generals and military leaders.
had hitler never attempted to invade moscow his army would still be intact and could have easily defend against the red army.
its the winter swamp that drained them. -
2021-09-18 at 4:57 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny had hitler never attempted to invade moscow his army would still be intact and could have easily defend against the red army.
its the winter swamp that drained them.
Stalingrad was definitely a turning point. But lets not forget Germany had three army groups running operations in the USSR. Army group North attacking Leningrad, Army group Center which was enroute to Moscow and Army group South who's initial objective was to capture the oilfields beyond Sevastopol and the Crimea in general. Army group South got split up trying to achieve two objectives at the same time. Winning the oil fields and capturing Stalingrad.
While all this was happening Georgy Zhukov was preparing a counter offensive to the North of Stalingrad. Also lets keep in mind that during the initial stages of Barbarossa, the Soviets, literally moved more than 1000 factories into the Soviet Hinterlands AKA Siberia. The war making capabilities of the USSR were underestimated by all major powers including the allies. The evacuation of the means of producing armaments and the intel that Japan wouldn't invade from China made the Soviets confident enough to build up their forces in the East and to raise more armies from the East for the defense and upcoming counter offensive of the Soviet Union. -
2021-09-18 at 5:04 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Stalingrad was definitely a turning point. But lets not forget Germany had three army groups running operations in the USSR. Army group North attacking Leningrad, Army group Center which was enroute to Moscow and Army group South who's initial objective was to capture the oilfields beyond Sevastopol and the Crimea in general. Army group South got split up trying to achieve two objectives at the same time. Winning the oil fields and capturing Stalingrad.
While all this was happening Georgy Zhukov was preparing a counter offensive to the North of Stalingrad. Also lets keep in mind that during the initial stages of Barbarossa, the Soviets, literally moved more than 1000 factories into the Soviet Hinterlands AKA Siberia. The war making capabilities of the USSR were underestimated by all major powers including the allies. The evacuation of the means of producing armaments and the intel that Japan wouldn't invade from China made the Soviets confident enough to build up their forces in the East and to raise more armies from the East for the defense and upcoming counter offensive of the Soviet Union.
germany didnt have oil. by not having reliable sources of energy for a protracted war i think its destined to lose. -
2021-09-18 at 5:07 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny germany didnt have oil. by not having reliable sources of energy for a protracted war i think its destined to lose.
Correct. Before Barbarossa, while the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was still in effect, Germany bought oil from the USSR. Estimations about the durations of operations in the East were way to optimistic. Beginning of '42 the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front already began to suffer from shortages. -
2021-09-18 at 5:10 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Correct. Before Barbarossa, while the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was still in effect, Germany bought oil from the USSR. Estimations about the durations of operations in the East were way to optimistic. Beginning of '42 the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front already began to suffer from shortages.
they should have dumped hitler before that. -
2021-09-18 at 6:21 PM UTC
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