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Anybody who "hates the police" is either retarded or a total fucking poser
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2017-04-09 at 5:10 AM UTCPolice = Person with job
End of story. Seriously what the hell is it with all these white boys shouting about how they hate the police and that the system is corrupt because they once got a DUI. I don't think anybody here in America realizes just how fucking good they have it. I mean fuck, have you ever had a cop bring you drugs to smoke? No? I have.
"Ohdoood that's so cool!"
No it's fucking not! You want to live in a country with that kind of disregard for laws? Da fuq. That nigga was just trying to make some extra cash because his job as a police officer didn't earn him enough, which is possibly the most dangerous attribute a police officer can have. It's never a good thing to be able to bend the law with your wallet. It can be used against you just as much as it can be used for you.
The vast majority of US cops aren't racist, or corrupt. They aren't assholes, they aren't evil. Calm the fuck down and be happy you live in a first world country. -
2017-04-09 at 7:01 AM UTCAgreed. I actually like cops. They're pretty nice as long as you're not a gang-banging faggot.
When they are assholes it's usually because you either deserve it, or they've just had to put up with so much shit that day that their patience is running low. -
2017-04-09 at 7:07 AM UTCMost cops are ok, some can be total faggots.
HAd one bust my balls for falling asleep outside the ER one night while I was waiting on my girl. Dude said he had reports I was passed out drunk and proceded to fuck with me. I finally told him to either give me a breathalyzer test or fuck off. -
2017-04-09 at 7:21 AM UTCWhile "fuck da police" is a pretty juvenile attitude, critisizing american law enforcement even if you're not a direct victim of their actions certainly seems defensible. Most urban police officers are middle or lower class while the vast majority of their job is spent hindering the economic prospects of the lower class. Insert joke about stealing TVs being an economic strategy. I certainly don't think we should let crime go unchecked, but it seems pretty uncontroversial that the police are a mechanism by which poverty is perpetuated, even if you think that's 100% OK (and that's not an unreasonable position, the language here is kinda loaded). It's a systematic effect, in many ways we can say individual officers have a pretty minimal responsibility for this fact, but the fact that they serve some valid social function or are themselves working class doesn't mean criticism of the institution is invalid.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-04-09 at 7:29 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny While "fuck da police" is a pretty juvenile attitude, critisizing american law enforcement even if you're not a direct victim of their actions certainly seems defensible. Most urban police officers are middle or lower class while the vast majority of their job is spent hindering the economic prospects of the lower class. Insert joke about stealing TVs being an economic strategy. I certainly don't think we should let crime go unchecked, but it seems pretty uncontroversial that the police are a mechanism by which poverty is perpetuated, even if you think that's 100% OK (and that's not an unreasonable position, the language here is kinda loaded). It's a systematic effect, in many ways we can say individual officers have a pretty minimal responsibility for this fact, but the fact that they serve some valid social function or are themselves working class doesn't mean criticism of the institution is invalid.
This is ridiculous. I'm all for criticizing cops when they deserve it, especially when they overstep their authority, but they do not engage in a calculated suppression of impoverished citizens. Nor does the design of the legal system.
Poor people commit more crimes, particularly of the violent variety, and therefore have more negative interactions with the police. It's a very simple equation. Follow the law, get left alone. Be a crack smoking little welfare nigger, and you might run into trouble. -
2017-04-09 at 7:40 AM UTC
Originally posted by Dargo This is ridiculous. I'm all for criticizing cops when they deserve it, especially when they overstep their authority, but they do not engage in a calculated suppression of impoverished citizens. Nor does the design of the legal system.
Poor people commit more crimes, particularly of the violent variety, and therefore have more negative interactions with the police. It's a very simple equation. Follow the law, get left alone. Be a crack smoking little welfare nigger, and you might run into trouble.
Your first and second paragraphs seem to contradict each other. The lower classes commit the kind of crimes normal police officers enforce disproportionately more often than the upper class. Whether or not the wealthy actually commit fewer crimes or are just less likely to have as many and as severe legal repercussions for crime is up for debate, but it's not even a necessary point. Even if no one making over 50k a year ever committed a crime, and every lower class convict was 100% responsible for their crimes on a legal and moral level, this doesn't change the fact that the police taking punitive against the lower classes disproportionately (and by disproportionately I mean with greater population-adjusted frequency with respect to the capital holding class, not "unfairly" or "with bias") is a mechanism of keeping the lower class impoverished. Try to divorce the normative element (criminals ought to be put in jail) with the factual element (the lower class suffers economically as a product of police action, regardless of whether this is justified or not).
Whether or not you think the criminality of the lower classes justifies their economic loss pursuant to police action (again, most people probably think this is fine), it doesn't change the fact that the loss happens in the first place. -
2017-04-09 at 8:04 AM UTCIf a ragged-looking guy is sleeping on a park bench, you're right - he's more likely to be roused by the police and maybe get a citation than a guy dressed in a business suit. This is because the fellow in the business suit is probably just catching a quick nap, and it will be a one time deal. The ragged fellow, however, is probably a miscreant who will make a habit about sleeping on the park bench, and will then contaminate the area with all of his other bad choices (drug use, shitting in the street, panhandling, etc.). So, yeah, I suppose there is some disparity, but I would argue that to the limited extent it's used, it's justified and leads to more effective policing.
Also, this is America. I know this country is slowly going to shit thanks to socialist/corporatist policies, but rising out of poverty is still definitely possible as long as you are willing to actually work. I'd know because I did it. The only time someone can complain about being poor is if they're either temporarily in a rough patch (divorce, tragedy, etc.) or severely mentally ill (as in, should be committed). No one else has an excuse, so they can shut the fuck up when they get hassled by the police for being a lowlife. Hell, hopefully it'll motivate them to get their ass in gear. -
2017-04-09 at 8:40 AM UTC
Originally posted by Dargo If a ragged-looking guy is sleeping on a park bench, you're right - he's more likely to be roused by the police and maybe get a citation than a guy dressed in a business suit. This is because the fellow in the business suit is probably just catching a quick nap, and it will be a one time deal. The ragged fellow, however, is probably a miscreant who will make a habit about sleeping on the park bench, and will then contaminate the area with all of his other bad choices (drug use, shitting in the street, panhandling, etc.). So, yeah, I suppose there is some disparity, but I would argue that to the limited extent it's used, it's justified and leads to more effective policing.
Cool, I think we're mostly on the same page: regardless of whether or not they are justified in doing so, the police direct far more punitive action towards the lower classes, per capita, than the upper. This is one way in which poverty is perpetuated, although we can think of reasons why this might be acceptable or even desirable. But we can think of reasons why it might not be as well. If you believe the impact to social mobility, and increase in centralized societal control that the police represent, outweighs their benefit then your would seem to have a reasonable critique of the police force as an institution, even if you don't think every police officer is racist or sexist or anything other than normal people fulfilling their role in a systematically unequal system.Also, this is America. I know this country is slowly going to shit thanks to socialist/corporatist policies
lolbut rising out of poverty is still definitely possible as long as you are willing to actually work.
lololI'd know because I did it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidenceas in, should be committed
Also, this is America. I know this country is slowly going to shit thanks to socialist/corporatist policies
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2017-04-09 at 8:56 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Cool, I think we're mostly on the same page: regardless of whether or not they are justified in doing so, the police direct far more punitive action towards the lower classes, per capita, than the upper. This is one way in which poverty is perpetuated, although we can think of reasons why this might be acceptable or even desirable. But we can think of reasons why it might not be as well. If you believe the impact to social mobility, and increase in centralized societal control that the police represent, outweighs their benefit then your would seem to have a reasonable critique of the police force as an institution, even if you don't think every police officer is racist or sexist or anything other than normal people fulfilling their role in a systematically unequal system.
I don't see how policing, albeit unequal in some cases, perpetuates poverty.
Originally posted by Lanny lol
lolol
Yeah. We'll probably always disagree there. Let's not get off topic tho.
Originally posted by Lanny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
Ok. I gave a bad example. What I should've said was: I can attest to the numerous resources available to people in an impoverished situation. Seriously, it's easy to verify. Google any city and you will find a TON of programs and facilities to help people.
Originally posted by Lanny top hah
You can support mental institutions without being a lefty, but again, that's another topic for another fred. -
2017-04-09 at 9:07 AM UTC
Originally posted by Dargo I don't see how policing, albeit unequal in some cases, perpetuates poverty.
When you're convicted of a crime, especially felony, it becomes a lot harder to find a well paying job. You're also deprived of your ability to sell your labor during the span of your imprisonment. If your occupation is profit by policed and criminal means, which we seem to agree is the lower class primarily, then you're doubly hurt economically by law enforcement. When your class is disportionately the subject of law enforcement the other marks of it become stigmatized, poor accents are looked down on and have a harder time finding employment, your aesthetic tastes are institutionally restricted (dress codes). These are all issues that both affect the lower class disproportionately AND damage economic prospects, in other words they perpetuate poverty.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-04-09 at 9:25 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny When you're convicted of a crime, especially felony, it becomes a lot harder to find a well paying job.
No shit. That's called consequences. Don't be a dipwad and commit felonies - problem solved.
Originally posted by Lanny You're also deprived of your ability to sell your labor during the span of your imprisonment.
Damn straight. Don't worry, you'll still get cable TV, educational opportunities, warm meals, counseling, etc. while you're in the pen (◔_◔)
Originally posted by Lanny If your occupation is profit by policed and criminal means, which we seem to agree is the lower class primarily, then you're doubly hurt economically by law enforcement.
I'm a little confused by your wording. If you mean that lower class people have a harder time making a living because the ways in which they support themselves are more likely to be criminalized, such as drug dealing and robbery, then LOL. That's not oppression, that's called having standards.
Originally posted by Lanny When your class is disportionately the subject of law enforcement the other marks of it become stigmatized, poor accents are looked down on and have a harder time finding employment, your aesthetic tastes are institutionally restricted (dress codes). These are all issues that both affect the lower class disproportionately AND damage economic prospects, in other words they perpetuate poverty.
We can agree here. The subcultures of the lower class have an intense negative effect on their ability to prosper. Unfortunately, what we are seeing now is the encouragement of these degenerate behaviors in the name of 'diversity' and 'respecting other people's cultures'. Especially in that black community. It really is too bad. -
2017-04-09 at 9:47 AM UTCFuck the police and fuck da modz too
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2017-04-09 at 10:13 AM UTC
Originally posted by Discount Whore The vast majority of US cops aren't racist, or corrupt. They aren't assholes, they aren't evil. Calm the fuck down and be happy you live in a first world country.
which means some cops are bad. if some cops are bad, which we all know some definitely are, then all cops are bad. cops fall into 3 camps, 1 is the bad camp. the other 2 are the so called good camps, one of these know what their bad collegues are doing and turn a blind eye. the rest are just way too shit at being cops if they can't figure what their collegues are doing. the job discription for cops is to detect the wrong doers in society and bring them to account. all three of those camps have no business being cops. -
2017-04-09 at 10:30 AM UTC>works for the government
>has a real job
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2017-04-09 at 10:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by Dargo No shit. That's called consequences. Don't be a dipwad and commit felonies - problem solved.
Damn straight. Don't worry, you'll still get cable TV, educational opportunities, warm meals, counseling, etc. while you're in the pen (◔_◔)
I'm a little confused by your wording. If you mean that lower class people have a harder time making a living because the ways in which they support themselves are more likely to be criminalized, such as drug dealing and robbery, then LOL. That's not oppression, that's called having standards.
You seem to be missing my point. As I've said before, I've made no statement about whether or not the american legal enforcement strategy is justified, I haven't said the word "oppression" once. The only positive statement I've made in this thread is that the police act to perpetuate poverty in the US. "Poverty" doesn't mean "undeserved poorness", people who are entirely responsible for their economic failures can still be impoverished. You can come up with reasons why the lower classes are and ought to be poor, but this does nothing to change the fact that they are and that situation is maintained in part by our police force. -
2017-04-09 at 10:49 AM UTCthe police as an organization are responsible for way more crimes than anyone they ever arrested.
the fact is that job attracts control freaks. the people who cannot stand not being in control of everything and everyone around them. the authorities take full advantage of these people, yet that doesn't excuse them.
that also explains why domestic violence commited by police officers is 12x the national average.
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2017-04-09 at 10:53 AM UTCwolf in sheeps clothing is the best term for a cop whose acting nice. chances are they're trying to pick up some 'intel' about you for their database.
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2017-04-09 at 10:54 AM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist the police as an organization are responsible for way more crimes than anyone they ever arrested.
the fact is that job attracts control freaks. the people who cannot stand not being in control of everything and everyone around them. the authorities take full advantage of these people, yet that doesn't excuse them.
that also explains why domestic violence commited by police officers is 12x the national average.
these people really are just horrible cunts.
Girl cops are always funny to me. They act extra tough. "Oh yeah i am a badass too even though i am a girl, i got a gun." OK calm down lady, put the cuffs on me we'll talk at the station. -
2017-04-09 at 10:56 AM UTC
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2017-04-09 at 10:58 AM UTCi'll tell you a couple of things about cops later. right now i got heroin hangover and cant be assed to type it all on this phone.
