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2021-08-16 at 3:54 PM UTC
Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ I said right in my post that I read all the studies. Have you even looked at a single one? Of course not.
I never claimed to have or have not read a study. You, however, claimed to have read ALL the studies, yet refuse to provide a single one.
When someone refers to a study in their argument and fails to cite the study of reference, the burden is not on the reader to do the work for them. -
2021-08-16 at 3:55 PM UTC
Originally posted by Ajax I never claimed to have or have not read a study. You, however, claimed to have read ALL the studies, yet refuse to provide a single one.
When someone refers to a study in their argument and fails to cite the study of reference, the burden is not on the reader to do the work for them.
It's strange that you purport to be the expert on the gene therapies, but won't admit to having read any studies about it. -
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Originally posted by stl1 This is an article I found from Newsweek, a source I find credible. It is from March so it is not recent and fully up to date but should give an indication of what to expect since it was written. It indicates that there were less than 1000 deaths after 90,000,000 people had received at least one shot. It also notes that "There are hundreds of reports of people having died after getting a COVID vaccine, but that does not necessarily mean the vaccine was the cause." It cited a person dying in a car accident shortly after receiving the vaccine and put on the list as well as "the largest proportion of deaths—29 percent—occurred in people ages 80 to 89."
Even if all 966 deaths were attributable to the vaccines, 966 deaths out of 90,000,000 people equals a 0.0000107 % rate while over 600,000 people have died from Covid, almost all of whom now are the unvaccinated.
Hope this helps cut through the bullshit.
Newsweek
Fact Check: Have 966 People Died After Receiving the COVID vaccine?
Ed Browne 3/8/2021
The U.S. COVID vaccine rollout has seen over 90 million people receive at least one dose, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data as of March 7.
Scientists told Newsweek on February 24 that serious side-effects from the vaccine were rare at a time when 65 million doses had been given. Some examples of common reported side-effects include pain at the site of injection and tiredness.
There also have been reports of people dying after receiving a vaccine, based on data from the CDC's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) reporting database. VAERS is a U.S.-based early warning system for vaccine side-effects.
Healthcare professionals are required to report certain adverse events that occur after vaccines to the system, but it is not designed to give information on what caused the events, such as deaths.
The Claim
Far-right U.S. news outlet The Epoch Times reported on March 6 that 966 people had died after having the Pfizer or Moderna COVID vaccines.
The report said it had drawn the data from VAERS reports between December 14, 2020 and February 19, 2021.
According to the report, 472 people died after receiving a Moderna vaccine, while 489 died after receiving a Pfizer vaccine. Additionally, five people died after receiving a jab from an unknown manufacturer.
The report also included data on age group and gender. It showed the largest proportion of deaths—29 percent—occurred in people ages 80 to 89. It also showed males accounted for 55 percent of deaths to 43 percent of females. It said the deaths had occurred between 0 and 49 days after vaccination, with 94 unknown.
The article has been shared on Twitter, and users have gained hundreds of retweets and likes from posting a screenshot of the VAERS data reported by The Epoch Times.
The Facts
There are hundreds of reports of people having died after getting a COVID vaccine, but that does not necessarily mean the vaccine was the cause.
Using WONDER, the CDC's VAERS database search tool, Newsweek gathered adverse report data specifically on deaths following a COVID vaccine from Moderna or Pfizer. It is important to note that our data contained VAERS reports processed as of February 26.
Newsweek selected only deaths as an adverse event, and selected the COVID vaccine as the only vaccine in the dataset. We specified Pfizer and Moderna as the vaccine manufacturers. We also chose our symptom onset interval as "All days," which ranges from 0 to over 120 days. We did not specify gender or age in the overall results. Our time frame ran from the earliest possible dates, "before 1990," to ensure every COVID vaccine was included.
Our VAERS result showed 970 people died after being given a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine shot. Of those deaths, 495 occurred following a Moderna shot, and 475 occurred following a Pfizer shot. Newsweek contacted Pfizer and Moderna for comment.
A screenshot of the data Newsweek received based on a WONDER search of the VAERS database. It shows a total of 970 deaths following a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. Data contains VAERS reports processed as of 02/26/2021. This search query was run on March 8. CDC
This differs slightly from The Epoch Times' data, which showed 489 people had died after receiving a Pfizer shot and 472 died after receiving a Moderna shot. However, the final result is close.
It is unclear why data seen by Newsweek differed from The Epoch Times' data. This might be because the data had been updated since The Epoch Times ran its VAERS query. The outlet did not specify when it ran its data query, but the CDC websites states that its VAERS data on WONDER is updated every Friday. The Epoch Times did not specify whether it had used WONDER.
The Ruling
Mostly True.
The VAERS database is dense with data and the WONDER system might return slightly different statistics depending on how the user wants the data to be displayed, even if the search parameters are kept the same. Newsweek could not independently replicate the exact method The Epoch Times used to gather its data, but our COVID death results were very close to those reported by the outlet.
However, it is false to say that COVID vaccines have caused 966 deaths, because the VAERS database is not designed to give this information. For example, in the dataset published by The Epoch Times, one of the people who died after getting a vaccine had also been injured in a car crash between getting the jab and the date of their death, but the case was still included in the dataset.
The CDC said on its adverse events page, updated March 1: "To date, VAERS has not detected patterns in cause of death that would indicate a safety problem with COVID-19 vaccines."
Kent Woods, former chief executive of the U.K. Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, previously told Newsweek that a person suddenly dying after having a vaccine is not proof that the vaccine caused the death.
I find it peculiar that not one of our anti-vaxxers had a word to say about this:
"Even if all 966 deaths were attributable to the vaccines, 966 deaths out of 90,000,000 people equals a 0.0000107 % rate while over 600,000 people have died from Covid, almost all of whom now are the unvaccinated." -
2021-08-16 at 4:55 PM UTCI'm just fucking with you for amusement, Ajax. But, seriously, I have read the studies, and the studies indicate that when a person who received the mRNA gene therapy finally comes in contact with the natural form of the virus, the immune system goes into hyperdrive, causing a cytokine storm. I don't arse myself bookmarking the studies as I read them, but they're out there. It's better you look for them and find them yourself anyways, because you will find lots of other interesting and factual information along the way there.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2021-08-16 at 5:06 PM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 I find it peculiar that not one of our anti-vaxxers had a word to say about this:
"Even if all 966 deaths were attributable to the vaccines, 966 deaths out of 90,000,000 people equals a 0.0000107 % rate while over 600,000 people have died from Covid, almost all of whom now are the unvaccinated."
Originally posted by aldra and yet the CDC is willing to declare anyone who has presented a positive COVID result (through highly inaccurate PCR tests, no less) in the two weeks preceding their death as being killed by COVID
aldra has been very clear.
people who died WITH covid are classified as having died OF covid but peoplw who died WITH the "vaccine" arent being classified as having died OF the supposed vaccine.
they make everything up as they go along, thats not science.
thats an illusion of science.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-08-16 at 5:15 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny aldra has been very clear.
people who died WITH covid are classified as having died OF covid but peoplw who died WITH the "vaccine" arent being classified as having died OF the supposed vaccine.
they make everything up as they go along, thats not science.
thats an illusion of science.
We call it statistics. -
2021-08-16 at 5:17 PM UTCVinny, adults are talking here.
All you need to know is the number 0.0000107. -
2021-08-16 at 5:31 PM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 Vinny, adults are talking here.
All you need to know is the number 0.0000107.
without full testing of the entire population theres simply no way to find out the ratio or %age of covid patients to death.
the total of positive cases detected isnt the same as the total number of infected individual in the population since a majority of the cases are ASS-SYMPTOMATIC, that is to say they show no signs of covid sickness despite being covid positive.
adding these undetected covid patients to the statistic would see a drastic decrease in covid death rate. -
2021-08-16 at 5:38 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny
without full testing of the entire population theres simply no way to find out the ratio or %age of covid patients to death.
the total of positive cases detected isnt the same as the total number of infected individual in the population since a majority of the cases are ASS-SYMPTOMATIC, that is to say they show no signs of covid sickness despite being covid positive.
adding these undetected covid patients to the statistic would see a drastic decrease in covid death rate.
Please explain to me again how adding "undetected covid patients" (an oxyMORON insofar as someone who had undetected covid wouldn't be a patient) would cause "a drastic decrease in covid death rate."The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-08-16 at 5:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 Please explain to me again how adding "undetected covid patients" (an oxyMORON insofar as someone who had undetected covid wouldn't be a patient) would cause "a drastic decrease in covid death rate."
statistically lethality rates are calculated by the number of known infections vs the number of deaths
if you perform (accurate) testing on the entire population, you now have a LOT more asymoptomatic infections included in the 'known infections' group without affecting the death count so the lethality rate goes downThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-08-16 at 5:59 PM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 Please explain to me again how adding "undetected covid patients" (an oxyMORON insofar as someone who had undetected covid wouldn't be a patient) would cause "a drastic decrease in covid death rate."
do you even know how covid death rate and infectivity rate (R0) are calculated.
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