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2021-08-14 at 1:25 PM UTCVaccine passports are worthless, because both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated can still transmit and be infected by the virus. The only purpose they serve is strict control of people's day to day lives by the government.
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2021-08-14 at 1:29 PM UTC
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2021-08-14 at 1:30 PM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 Making
Anti-vaxxers
Go
And pay for their own medical expenses
Refuse to get a vaccine? You might be hit with expensive medical bills, employer mandates
Ken Alltucker, USA TODAY
Communities with high rates of unvaccinated residents have been hit especially hard by the Delta variant, the unvaccinated representing the overwhelming majority of hospitalized patients.
People who choose not to get vaccinated against the coronavirus face greater odds of getting seriously ill and hospitalized – a decision that could risk not just their health, but their finances as employers mandate vaccination and insurance companies look at ways to pass on the costs of treatment.
More than 90% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 are unvaccinated. And because 41% of eligible Americans have not yet been fully immunized against the virus, some are pushing a new tactic – making the unvaccinated pay a larger share of their medical bills.
Advocates of the pocketbook approach say tens of millions of Americans who refuse vaccination make it riskier for everyone else, including kids who are not old enough to get vaccinated and have filled hospitals in some states. Taxpayers are on the hook for $178 billion in federal funds allocated to hospitals and health-care providers. Insurance premiums could rise across the board.
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"There's a very clear line we can draw between (refusing) vaccination and getting COVID severe enough to put you in the hospital," said Jonathan Meer, an economics professor at Texas A&M University.
"The unvaccinated are essentially asking for a handout, a subsidy for their stance, and that’s cheap talk. Standing up for your beliefs means being willing to take the consequences of them," he said.
Some health insurers already are sharing the financial pain with those sick enough to be hospitalized.
Mayor Bill de Blasio announced last week that proof of coronavirus vaccination will be required to attend indoor restaurants, gyms, and entertainment venues. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo also announced a vaccination mandate for state employees and patient-facing health care workers at state hospitals, with an option to get weekly testing. According to CDC data, New York City is now considered a "high" or "substantial" COVID transmission area.
A Kaiser Family Foundation survey last November found that 88% of people had health insurance plans that shielded COVID-19 patients from copayments, coinsurance or annual deductibles that might require families to spend $2,800 or more before coverage kicks in.
Now that vaccines are free and available to all Americans 12 and older, insurers have scaled back those waivers.
Insurers eliminated pandemic perk
Major insurers such as Aetna, Anthem Blue Cross and UnitedHealth Group discontinued fee waivers as vaccines became widely available, as first reported by Kaiser Health News. Humana still covers out-of-pocket costs for older adults on its Medicare plan, but the insurer does not shield out-of-pocket costs for those covered by employer-sponsored plans.
Experts say patients hospitalized with COVID-19 could face significant bills as a result –and those patients are mainly the unvaccinated. Immunized people rarely are hospitalized with breakthrough infections, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation analysis of state and federal data.
"Now you probably will have to pay a lot of money if you get hospitalized," said Cynthia Cox, a vice president and director for the Kaiser Family Foundation's program on the Affordable Care Act. "That’s a very direct cost to people because of their lack of vaccination."
Still, some doubt the prospect of high medical bills will persuade many vaccine resisters to get immunized.
"The person who is holding out against the vaccine doesn’t have the same risk-benefit calculation as someone who gets the vaccine," said Erin Fuse Brown, director of the Center for Law, Health & Society at Georgia State College of Law. "They think the chances they are seriously going to be affected by COVID are pretty small to begin with."
Insurance surcharges for the unvaccinated?
Under the Affordable Care Act, health insurers that pay the bulk of hospital bills are not allowed to charge higher premiums for people who are sick or have a chronic health condition.
But insurers are allowed to charge more for smokers and tobacco users. Employers routinely offer premium discounts or incentives for nonsmokers or for those who meet wellness goals such as undergoing a physical exam.
"People have looked at those wellness plans as being a way insurers may be able to either reward people for getting vaccinated or penalize people for not getting vaccinated," Cox said.
So far, employers have been slow to offer incentives to encourage workers to get vaccinated. Of more than 300 employers surveyed by Mercer in July and August, only 10% said they offered a financial incentive.
It may take time for companies to use those wellness plans to push employees to get vaccinated, Cox said.
Companies turn to 'no jab, no job' policies
The unvaccinated are facing increased pressure from employers to get immunized or submit to frequent testing.
Wednesday, California Gov. Gavin Newsom said all California teachers and school employees must be vaccinated or undergo regular testing. California, New York City and Washington, D.C., have announced that public employees must get vaccinated, or they must wear masks and submit to weekly testing.
Several private employers, including Tyson Foods and United Airlines, have announced vaccine mandates. The National Football League has pressured players to get vaccinated, saying teams will be forced to forfeit games and paychecks in the event of an outbreak among unvaccinated players.
Tyson Foods requires all of its U.S. employees to get vaccinated against COVID-19.© Melissa Melvin, AP Tyson Foods team members receive COVID-19 vaccines Feb. 2 from health officials in Wilkesboro, N.C. Tyson Foods requires all of its U.S. employees to get vaccinated against COVID-19.
Nearly 14% of U.S. employers now require staff to be vaccinated in order to work at a company site, Mercer said. That's a dramatic shift from May, when fewer than 1% were mandating vaccinations, and only 8% said they would consider it.
Even more employers will likely mandate vaccinations once the Food and Drug Administration moves beyond emergency use authorization to full approval and licensing of the vaccines, said Dr. Art Caplan, head of the division of medical ethics at NYU Grossman School of Medicine.
The "no jab, no job" policy likely will convince more employees to get immunized rather than lose income or face the prospect of expensive medical bills, Caplan said.
"A lot of people who are hesitant, or resisters, say, 'You can’t make me vaccinate,'" Caplan said. "The problem is, they live in a very capitalistic society which says, 'I don’t have to hire you if you don’t do what I want for safety.'"
Those who choose tests over vaccines could pay, too
Beyond the prospect of medical bills and job loss, the unvaccinated might face more scrutiny when applying for life or disability insurance. People who apply for such coverage often need to undergo physical exams or answer detailed questions about their health, including vaccination status, Caplan said.
"That’s where you can expect to see penalties for non-vaccinators," Caplan said.
Fuse Brown said those who choose to meet employer mandates by getting tested periodically may see big bills, too.
Health insurance companies typically pay for coronavirus tests to diagnose or treat somebody if they have symptoms or had contact with an infected person. However, the federal Families First Coronavirus Response Act does not require insurers to pay for tests used to monitor workplace safety or for public health surveillance, said Kristine Grow, a spokeswoman for America's Health Insurance Plans, which represents commercial health insurers.
Fuse Brown said the cost of weekly tests "could add up fast" if an employer passes the bill to workers who choose not to vaccinate.
"Financially," Fuse Brown said, "that’s a bigger immediate cost that I think could change minds."
IT'S ABOUT FUCKING TIME ! ! !
Make the
Assholes have to
Go
And dig into their wallets for their obstinance and selfishness -
2021-08-14 at 1:33 PM UTCdo you support premiums for people in other groups that are more likely to require medical treatment?
like the obese, the elderly, homosexuals and the like? -
2021-08-14 at 1:36 PM UTCIt's funny to see grossly obese people with hamburgers sticking out of their mouths pontify and lecture people about the importance of health. 75% of these so-called "health experts" making all the rules for everyone else are fatter than a fully grown hog and can't even run 10 meters without huffing and puffing.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2021-08-14 at 6:04 PM UTC
Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ It's funny to see grossly obese people with hamburgers sticking out of their mouths pontify and lecture people about the importance of health. 75% of these so-called "health experts" making all the rules for everyone else are fatter than a fully grown hog and can't even run 10 meters without huffing and puffing.
nothing inspire people to live healthy more effectively than living, breathing, graphic warning labels. -
2021-08-15 at 3:07 AM UTC
What fucking scum. Death to the shitlib vaxxers. -
2021-08-15 at 3:09 AM UTC
Some people deserve a blow torch in the face. -
2021-08-15 at 7:09 AM UTCI've yet to see a single clip with a politician getting the jab.
So either they don't get it or they refuse to be recorded while doing so, which would speak even more to the sinister nature of this agenda. If the vaccine is no big deal, our leaders shouldn't have a problem leading by example and getting the jab in public. -
2021-08-15 at 8:22 AM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 Making
Anti-vaxxers
Go
And pay for their own medical expenses
Refuse to get a vaccine? You might be hit with expensive medical bills, employer mandates
Ken Alltucker, USA TODAY
Communities with high rates of unvaccinated residents have been hit especially hard by the Delta variant, the unvaccinated representing the overwhelming majority of hospitalized patients.
People who choose not to get vaccinated against the coronavirus face greater odds of getting seriously ill and hospitalized – a decision that could risk not just their health, but their finances as employers mandate vaccination and insurance companies look at ways to pass on the costs of treatment.
More than 90% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 are unvaccinated. And because 41% of eligible Americans have not yet been fully immunized against the virus, some are pushing a new tactic – making the unvaccinated pay a larger share of their medical bills.
Advocates of the pocketbook approach say tens of millions of Americans who refuse vaccination make it riskier for everyone else, including kids who are not old enough to get vaccinated and have filled hospitals in some states. Taxpayers are on the hook for $178 billion in federal funds allocated to hospitals and health-care providers. Insurance premiums could rise across the board.
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"There's a very clear line we can draw between (refusing) vaccination and getting COVID severe enough to put you in the hospital," said Jonathan Meer, an economics professor at Texas A&M University.
"The unvaccinated are essentially asking for a handout, a subsidy for their stance, and that’s cheap talk. Standing up for your beliefs means being willing to take the consequences of them," he said.
Some health insurers already are sharing the financial pain with those sick enough to be hospitalized.
Mayor Bill de Blasio announced last week that proof of coronavirus vaccination will be required to attend indoor restaurants, gyms, and entertainment venues. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo also announced a vaccination mandate for state employees and patient-facing health care workers at state hospitals, with an option to get weekly testing. According to CDC data, New York City is now considered a "high" or "substantial" COVID transmission area.
A Kaiser Family Foundation survey last November found that 88% of people had health insurance plans that shielded COVID-19 patients from copayments, coinsurance or annual deductibles that might require families to spend $2,800 or more before coverage kicks in.
Now that vaccines are free and available to all Americans 12 and older, insurers have scaled back those waivers.
Insurers eliminated pandemic perk
Major insurers such as Aetna, Anthem Blue Cross and UnitedHealth Group discontinued fee waivers as vaccines became widely available, as first reported by Kaiser Health News. Humana still covers out-of-pocket costs for older adults on its Medicare plan, but the insurer does not shield out-of-pocket costs for those covered by employer-sponsored plans.
Experts say patients hospitalized with COVID-19 could face significant bills as a result –and those patients are mainly the unvaccinated. Immunized people rarely are hospitalized with breakthrough infections, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation analysis of state and federal data.
"Now you probably will have to pay a lot of money if you get hospitalized," said Cynthia Cox, a vice president and director for the Kaiser Family Foundation's program on the Affordable Care Act. "That’s a very direct cost to people because of their lack of vaccination."
Still, some doubt the prospect of high medical bills will persuade many vaccine resisters to get immunized.
"The person who is holding out against the vaccine doesn’t have the same risk-benefit calculation as someone who gets the vaccine," said Erin Fuse Brown, director of the Center for Law, Health & Society at Georgia State College of Law. "They think the chances they are seriously going to be affected by COVID are pretty small to begin with."
Insurance surcharges for the unvaccinated?
Under the Affordable Care Act, health insurers that pay the bulk of hospital bills are not allowed to charge higher premiums for people who are sick or have a chronic health condition.
But insurers are allowed to charge more for smokers and tobacco users. Employers routinely offer premium discounts or incentives for nonsmokers or for those who meet wellness goals such as undergoing a physical exam.
"People have looked at those wellness plans as being a way insurers may be able to either reward people for getting vaccinated or penalize people for not getting vaccinated," Cox said.
So far, employers have been slow to offer incentives to encourage workers to get vaccinated. Of more than 300 employers surveyed by Mercer in July and August, only 10% said they offered a financial incentive.
It may take time for companies to use those wellness plans to push employees to get vaccinated, Cox said.
Companies turn to 'no jab, no job' policies
The unvaccinated are facing increased pressure from employers to get immunized or submit to frequent testing.
Wednesday, California Gov. Gavin Newsom said all California teachers and school employees must be vaccinated or undergo regular testing. California, New York City and Washington, D.C., have announced that public employees must get vaccinated, or they must wear masks and submit to weekly testing.
Several private employers, including Tyson Foods and United Airlines, have announced vaccine mandates. The National Football League has pressured players to get vaccinated, saying teams will be forced to forfeit games and paychecks in the event of an outbreak among unvaccinated players.
Tyson Foods requires all of its U.S. employees to get vaccinated against COVID-19.© Melissa Melvin, AP Tyson Foods team members receive COVID-19 vaccines Feb. 2 from health officials in Wilkesboro, N.C. Tyson Foods requires all of its U.S. employees to get vaccinated against COVID-19.
Nearly 14% of U.S. employers now require staff to be vaccinated in order to work at a company site, Mercer said. That's a dramatic shift from May, when fewer than 1% were mandating vaccinations, and only 8% said they would consider it.
Even more employers will likely mandate vaccinations once the Food and Drug Administration moves beyond emergency use authorization to full approval and licensing of the vaccines, said Dr. Art Caplan, head of the division of medical ethics at NYU Grossman School of Medicine.
The "no jab, no job" policy likely will convince more employees to get immunized rather than lose income or face the prospect of expensive medical bills, Caplan said.
"A lot of people who are hesitant, or resisters, say, 'You can’t make me vaccinate,'" Caplan said. "The problem is, they live in a very capitalistic society which says, 'I don’t have to hire you if you don’t do what I want for safety.'"
Those who choose tests over vaccines could pay, too
Beyond the prospect of medical bills and job loss, the unvaccinated might face more scrutiny when applying for life or disability insurance. People who apply for such coverage often need to undergo physical exams or answer detailed questions about their health, including vaccination status, Caplan said.
"That’s where you can expect to see penalties for non-vaccinators," Caplan said.
Fuse Brown said those who choose to meet employer mandates by getting tested periodically may see big bills, too.
Health insurance companies typically pay for coronavirus tests to diagnose or treat somebody if they have symptoms or had contact with an infected person. However, the federal Families First Coronavirus Response Act does not require insurers to pay for tests used to monitor workplace safety or for public health surveillance, said Kristine Grow, a spokeswoman for America's Health Insurance Plans, which represents commercial health insurers.
Fuse Brown said the cost of weekly tests "could add up fast" if an employer passes the bill to workers who choose not to vaccinate.
"Financially," Fuse Brown said, "that’s a bigger immediate cost that I think could change minds."
IT'S ABOUT FUCKING TIME ! ! !
Make the
Assholes have to
Go
And dig into their wallets for their obstinance and selfishness
close the borders next time faggot
Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood Yesterday at 1am
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2021-08-16 at 6:17 AM UTCThis is an article I found from Newsweek, a source I find credible. It is from March so it is not recent and fully up to date but should give an indication of what to expect since it was written. It indicates that there were less than 1000 deaths after 90,000,000 people had received at least one shot. It also notes that "There are hundreds of reports of people having died after getting a COVID vaccine, but that does not necessarily mean the vaccine was the cause." It cited a person dying in a car accident shortly after receiving the vaccine and put on the list as well as "the largest proportion of deaths—29 percent—occurred in people ages 80 to 89."
Even if all 966 deaths were attributable to the vaccines, 966 deaths out of 90,000,000 people equals a 0.0000107 % rate while over 600,000 people have died from Covid, almost all of whom now are the unvaccinated.
Hope this helps cut through the bullshit.
Newsweek
Fact Check: Have 966 People Died After Receiving the COVID vaccine?
Ed Browne 3/8/2021
The U.S. COVID vaccine rollout has seen over 90 million people receive at least one dose, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data as of March 7.
Scientists told Newsweek on February 24 that serious side-effects from the vaccine were rare at a time when 65 million doses had been given. Some examples of common reported side-effects include pain at the site of injection and tiredness.
There also have been reports of people dying after receiving a vaccine, based on data from the CDC's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) reporting database. VAERS is a U.S.-based early warning system for vaccine side-effects.
Healthcare professionals are required to report certain adverse events that occur after vaccines to the system, but it is not designed to give information on what caused the events, such as deaths.
The Claim
Far-right U.S. news outlet The Epoch Times reported on March 6 that 966 people had died after having the Pfizer or Moderna COVID vaccines.
The report said it had drawn the data from VAERS reports between December 14, 2020 and February 19, 2021.
According to the report, 472 people died after receiving a Moderna vaccine, while 489 died after receiving a Pfizer vaccine. Additionally, five people died after receiving a jab from an unknown manufacturer.
The report also included data on age group and gender. It showed the largest proportion of deaths—29 percent—occurred in people ages 80 to 89. It also showed males accounted for 55 percent of deaths to 43 percent of females. It said the deaths had occurred between 0 and 49 days after vaccination, with 94 unknown.
The article has been shared on Twitter, and users have gained hundreds of retweets and likes from posting a screenshot of the VAERS data reported by The Epoch Times.
The Facts
There are hundreds of reports of people having died after getting a COVID vaccine, but that does not necessarily mean the vaccine was the cause.
Using WONDER, the CDC's VAERS database search tool, Newsweek gathered adverse report data specifically on deaths following a COVID vaccine from Moderna or Pfizer. It is important to note that our data contained VAERS reports processed as of February 26.
Newsweek selected only deaths as an adverse event, and selected the COVID vaccine as the only vaccine in the dataset. We specified Pfizer and Moderna as the vaccine manufacturers. We also chose our symptom onset interval as "All days," which ranges from 0 to over 120 days. We did not specify gender or age in the overall results. Our time frame ran from the earliest possible dates, "before 1990," to ensure every COVID vaccine was included.
Our VAERS result showed 970 people died after being given a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine shot. Of those deaths, 495 occurred following a Moderna shot, and 475 occurred following a Pfizer shot. Newsweek contacted Pfizer and Moderna for comment.
A screenshot of the data Newsweek received based on a WONDER search of the VAERS database. It shows a total of 970 deaths following a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. Data contains VAERS reports processed as of 02/26/2021. This search query was run on March 8. CDC
This differs slightly from The Epoch Times' data, which showed 489 people had died after receiving a Pfizer shot and 472 died after receiving a Moderna shot. However, the final result is close.
It is unclear why data seen by Newsweek differed from The Epoch Times' data. This might be because the data had been updated since The Epoch Times ran its VAERS query. The outlet did not specify when it ran its data query, but the CDC websites states that its VAERS data on WONDER is updated every Friday. The Epoch Times did not specify whether it had used WONDER.
The Ruling
Mostly True.
The VAERS database is dense with data and the WONDER system might return slightly different statistics depending on how the user wants the data to be displayed, even if the search parameters are kept the same. Newsweek could not independently replicate the exact method The Epoch Times used to gather its data, but our COVID death results were very close to those reported by the outlet.
However, it is false to say that COVID vaccines have caused 966 deaths, because the VAERS database is not designed to give this information. For example, in the dataset published by The Epoch Times, one of the people who died after getting a vaccine had also been injured in a car crash between getting the jab and the date of their death, but the case was still included in the dataset.
The CDC said on its adverse events page, updated March 1: "To date, VAERS has not detected patterns in cause of death that would indicate a safety problem with COVID-19 vaccines."
Kent Woods, former chief executive of the U.K. Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, previously told Newsweek that a person suddenly dying after having a vaccine is not proof that the vaccine caused the death.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-08-16 at 2:07 PM UTCThese concoctions will soon be banned. Then the prosecutions start.
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2021-08-16 at 2:13 PM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 However, it is false to say that COVID vaccines have caused 966 deaths, because the VAERS database is not designed to give this information. For example, in the dataset published by The Epoch Times, one of the people who died after getting a vaccine had also been injured in a car crash between getting the jab and the date of their death, but the case was still included in the dataset.
the CDC is happy to mandate that anyone who's registered a positive COVID result (using highly-questionable PCR tests) within 2 weeks of death be registered as being killed by COVID thoughThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-08-16 at 2:15 PM UTC
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2021-08-16 at 4:40 PM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 This is an article I found from Newsweek, a source I find credible. It is from March so it is not recent and fully up to date but should give an indication of what to expect since it was written. It indicates that there were less than 1000 deaths after 90,000,000 people had received at least one shot. It also notes that "There are hundreds of reports of people having died after getting a COVID vaccine, but that does not necessarily mean the vaccine was the cause." It cited a person dying in a car accident shortly after receiving the vaccine and put on the list as well as "the largest proportion of deaths—29 percent—occurred in people ages 80 to 89."
Even if all 966 deaths were attributable to the vaccines, 966 deaths out of 90,000,000 people equals a 0.0000107 % rate while over 600,000 people have died from Covid, almost all of whom now are the unvaccinated.
Hope this helps cut through the bullshit.
Newsweek
Fact Check: Have 966 People Died After Receiving the COVID vaccine?
Ed Browne 3/8/2021
The U.S. COVID vaccine rollout has seen over 90 million people receive at least one dose, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data as of March 7.
Scientists told Newsweek on February 24 that serious side-effects from the vaccine were rare at a time when 65 million doses had been given. Some examples of common reported side-effects include pain at the site of injection and tiredness.
There also have been reports of people dying after receiving a vaccine, based on data from the CDC's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) reporting database. VAERS is a U.S.-based early warning system for vaccine side-effects.
Healthcare professionals are required to report certain adverse events that occur after vaccines to the system, but it is not designed to give information on what caused the events, such as deaths.
The Claim
Far-right U.S. news outlet The Epoch Times reported on March 6 that 966 people had died after having the Pfizer or Moderna COVID vaccines.
The report said it had drawn the data from VAERS reports between December 14, 2020 and February 19, 2021.
According to the report, 472 people died after receiving a Moderna vaccine, while 489 died after receiving a Pfizer vaccine. Additionally, five people died after receiving a jab from an unknown manufacturer.
The report also included data on age group and gender. It showed the largest proportion of deaths—29 percent—occurred in people ages 80 to 89. It also showed males accounted for 55 percent of deaths to 43 percent of females. It said the deaths had occurred between 0 and 49 days after vaccination, with 94 unknown.
The article has been shared on Twitter, and users have gained hundreds of retweets and likes from posting a screenshot of the VAERS data reported by The Epoch Times.
The Facts
There are hundreds of reports of people having died after getting a COVID vaccine, but that does not necessarily mean the vaccine was the cause.
Using WONDER, the CDC's VAERS database search tool, Newsweek gathered adverse report data specifically on deaths following a COVID vaccine from Moderna or Pfizer. It is important to note that our data contained VAERS reports processed as of February 26.
Newsweek selected only deaths as an adverse event, and selected the COVID vaccine as the only vaccine in the dataset. We specified Pfizer and Moderna as the vaccine manufacturers. We also chose our symptom onset interval as "All days," which ranges from 0 to over 120 days. We did not specify gender or age in the overall results. Our time frame ran from the earliest possible dates, "before 1990," to ensure every COVID vaccine was included.
Our VAERS result showed 970 people died after being given a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine shot. Of those deaths, 495 occurred following a Moderna shot, and 475 occurred following a Pfizer shot. Newsweek contacted Pfizer and Moderna for comment.
A screenshot of the data Newsweek received based on a WONDER search of the VAERS database. It shows a total of 970 deaths following a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. Data contains VAERS reports processed as of 02/26/2021. This search query was run on March 8. CDC
This differs slightly from The Epoch Times' data, which showed 489 people had died after receiving a Pfizer shot and 472 died after receiving a Moderna shot. However, the final result is close.
It is unclear why data seen by Newsweek differed from The Epoch Times' data. This might be because the data had been updated since The Epoch Times ran its VAERS query. The outlet did not specify when it ran its data query, but the CDC websites states that its VAERS data on WONDER is updated every Friday. The Epoch Times did not specify whether it had used WONDER.
The Ruling
Mostly True.
The VAERS database is dense with data and the WONDER system might return slightly different statistics depending on how the user wants the data to be displayed, even if the search parameters are kept the same. Newsweek could not independently replicate the exact method The Epoch Times used to gather its data, but our COVID death results were very close to those reported by the outlet.
However, it is false to say that COVID vaccines have caused 966 deaths, because the VAERS database is not designed to give this information. For example, in the dataset published by The Epoch Times, one of the people who died after getting a vaccine had also been injured in a car crash between getting the jab and the date of their death, but the case was still included in the dataset.
The CDC said on its adverse events page, updated March 1: "To date, VAERS has not detected patterns in cause of death that would indicate a safety problem with COVID-19 vaccines."
Kent Woods, former chief executive of the U.K. Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, previously told Newsweek that a person suddenly dying after having a vaccine is not proof that the vaccine caused the death.
I find it peculiar that not one of our anti-vaxxers had a word to say about this:
"Even if all 966 deaths were attributable to the vaccines, 966 deaths out of 90,000,000 people equals a 0.0000107 % rate while over 600,000 people have died from Covid, almost all of whom now are the unvaccinated." -
2021-08-16 at 4:50 PM UTCThere's no credible proof whatsoever that "600,000 people have died from Covid". No autopsies were ever performed. In fact, hospitals were ordered by the government not to perform autopsies. All cases were processed through assumption. Assumption is not science, it's pseudoscience. If you're going to flog numbers around, you need to have solid scientific evidence to support those numbers. A lot of talk, innuendo and politicized banter just doesn't do it.
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2021-08-16 at 5:24 PM UTCReread the article, Speculum, and you will see that Newsweek basically concurs with the facts written in the far-right news outlet The Epoch Times.
"The Claim
Far-right U.S. news outlet The Epoch Times reported on March 6 that 966 people had died after having the Pfizer or Moderna COVID vaccines."
...out of 90,000,000 people vaccinated. -
2021-08-16 at 5:35 PM UTC1. results in VAERS depend on search criteria used; symptoms:death and vaccines:all covid19 returns around 5000 results.
2. VAERS is entirely optional; medical institutions aren't required and as far as I know, typically don't log to it. most people don't even know it exists. the UK YELLOW CARD system is similar.
3. official COVID death rates are completely unreliable because the CDC has mandated that anyone with a positive PCR test within two weeks of death be logged as a 'COVID death', and PCR rates are STILL run at such an absurd sensitivity that false positives are common.
4. anecdotally, doctors are very hostile to attributing any serious side effect to vaccines, even if they occur immediately after administration, because they fear it'll further undermine faith in them.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-08-16 at 5:38 PM UTCAnd the CDC has now banned use of the PCR test and yanked its authorization. This whole farce, all the lockdowns, all the business closures, all the mandates, all based entirely off the PCR test. But not a peep from the media and their lackeys about that. Just goes to to demonstrate just how dishonest they really are.
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2021-08-16 at 6:04 PM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 Reread the article, Speculum, and you will see that Newsweek basically concurs with the facts written in the far-right news outlet The Epoch Times.
anybody who isnt living under a well knew the epoch (pronounced epic) times are funded and run by the see eye air.
exclusively.
