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Scientists Predict There's 90% Chance Civilization Will Collapse Within 'Decades'
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2021-03-04 at 12:26 AM UTC
Billionaires are basically slowly buying up all resources and means of production, from food, to farmland, to GMOs, and robotics, AI, vaccines, and fossil fuels and travel option for the elite (private jets). -
2021-03-04 at 3:31 AM UTCEven if it is true we're all doomed wasn't that always the case for every individual? We're all going to die and thats ok, you can still have a good time while living. It never mattered before, now or in whats left of the future. Enjoy the ride and do ur thing.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2021-03-04 at 11:11 AM UTC
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2021-03-04 at 11:54 AM UTCCivilization forces its subjects into ecocidal behavior because the products of ecocidal behavior are required for Civilization's perseverance.
Civilizations can only hold onto their territories and subjects through extensive communication and transportation networks. In agricultural times, forcing peasants into ecocidal fixed field grain agriculture was required because surplus vases of grain can be used to pay soldiers, bureaucrats, and road builders. In industrial times, the peasantry is ejected from the commons and into ecocidal factories and offices which produce and organize the gadgets and infrastructure needed for a world spanning commercial empire.
Self sufficient existence, either as a nomadic hunter gatherer or a subsistence stationary farmer, cannot exist within a Civilization's grasp. Not constantly placing its subjects on the edge of personal ruin would allow subjects to question the need of the Civilization's "benefits." Instead, they must be stressed at all times, chiefly by debt, money, and sin.
Debt, money, and sin are imaginary. They exist as mental concepts to place a population into a constant state of stress, and the alienation and the privatization of such stress. These socially constructed concepts (fiat currency, debt, sin etc.) exist to simultaneously push individuals apart from eachother and their communities by the exigencies of such a system (the long hours needed to accrue fiat to buy necessities and also to pay off the interest of such debt, along with the social ostricization inherent in those who partake in 'sin'), while also essentially treating the individual like a separate entity who is entirely reponsible, at all times, for any negative experience they may face as a result of such a structure.
Today's wage slaves, who rent their labor to the highest bidder for their whole lives, are no different than people of ancient times who sold themselves into a lifetime of slavery to pay off their debts. Then, they were forced into ecocidal agriculture. Today, we are forced into businesses or organizations which further our march into overshoot.
Think about how the American government treats its military, business subsidies, social services, and public land conservation. Unlimited money flows to the military and businesses without any public political quarrels. Because money is imaginary, the government creates it out of thin air and delivers it unopposed to ecocidal projects. Social services, which improve the lives of wage slaves and eases stressors, are constantly attacked for being wasteful and impossible to fund. Meanwhile, public land conservation is barely funded and always under attack by the demands for resources for civilizations machines.
We are all forced laborers for ecocide. If we don't perform ecocidal work for imaginary money to pay off imaginary debts, we will be forcibly deprived of food, water, and shelter. While we might not have a gun pointed at our heads, the implicit threat of violence from the state unless we contribute to ecocide is always present. Resources which could feed entire townships for months are hoarded into stores while the homeless and the needy sleep outside. Land and game which could be used by communities to house and feed themselves are again hoarded by a minority and protected at the end of a truncheon by a private army (the police, military etc.). Political violence is only allowed to flow down the hierarchy (to paraphrase Derrick Jensen), if it flows up the hierarchy (if a 'poor' person takes the plentiful resources or covets land for themselves etc.) then the 'victims' are fetishized and the perpetrators are meant with scorn/disgust.
Unfortunately dropping out of society, refusing to contribute to the ecocidal project of overshoot, is not the most effective action we can individually do to oppose civilization's death march. You need political capital to influence the system, the only way you'll get political capital is by 'playing the game' (which is of course rigged against any private person 10,000 to 1). By rejecting the system you are performing a moral act (IMO) but it would not be conducive to change, just like 'going vegan' or 'voting with your wallet' won't actively change much of anything either.
Surf the kali yuga, I guess.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-03-04 at 2:57 PM UTC
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2021-03-04 at 8:13 PM UTC
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2021-03-04 at 11:48 PM UTCScientists believe the gulf stream is warming:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/03/02/climate/atlantic-ocean-climate-change.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur -
2021-03-04 at 11:55 PM UTCedited for privacy
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2021-03-05 at 10:02 AM UTC
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2021-03-05 at 10:10 AM UTCMeant to post that in TRT, but the point stands.
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2021-03-05 at 10:47 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2021-03-05 at 12:22 PM UTC
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2021-03-05 at 12:33 PM UTCA new study indicates that seagrass meadows around the UK may have declined by as much as 92 percent:
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/seagrass-loss-around-the-uk-is-extensive-and-worrying-say-scientists -
2021-03-05 at 12:43 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe A new study indicates that seagrass meadows around the UK may have declined by as much as 92 percent:
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/seagrass-loss-around-the-uk-is-extensive-and-worrying-say-scientists
studies dont result in FACTS -
2021-03-06 at 4:46 PM UTCHow collapsing civilizations have helped the world:
https://theweek.com/articles/843004/how-collapsing-civilizations-have-helped-worldModern civilizations might also be less capable of recovering from deep collapse than their predecessors. Individual hunter-gatherers might have had the knowledge to live from the land — yet people in industrial society lack not only basic survival skills, but even knowledge of how "basic" items such as zippers work. Knowledge is increasingly held not by individuals, but by groups and institutions. It's not clear that we could pick up the pieces if industrial society collapsed.
The proliferation of weapons has ratcheted up the stakes of collapse. When the Soviet Union fell, it had 39,000 nuclear weapons and 3.3 million pounds of plutonium and highly enriched uranium. Not all of this has been contained or controlled. Diplomatic cables released via Wikileaks in 2010 suggested that Egypt was offered cheap nuclear materials, scientists, and even weapons. Worse still, Russian scientists recruited during the 1990s might have underpinned North Korea's successful weapons program. As humanity's technological capabilities grow, the threat of collapse cascading into a darker outcome and widespread weaponization can only grow.
Finally, it's significant that the world has become more networked and complex. This enhances our capabilities, but makes systemic failures more likely. A mathematical-systems study in Nature in 2010 found that interconnected networks are more prone to random failure than isolated ones. Similarly, while interconnectedness in financial systems can initially be a buffer, it appears to reach a tipping point where the system becomes more fragile, and failures spread more readily. Historically, this is what happened to Bronze Age societies in the Aegean and Mediterranean, according to the historian and archaeologist Erin Cline in his book 1177 BC: The Year Civilization Collapsed (2014). The interconnectedness of these people made for a prospering region, but also set up a row of dominoes that could be knocked down by a potent combination of earthquakes, warfare, climate change, and revolts.
Collapse, then, is a double-edged sword. Sometimes it's a boon for subjects and a chance to restart decaying institutions. Yet it can also lead to the loss of population, culture, and hard-won political structures. What comes from collapse depends, in part, on how people navigate the ensuing tumult, and how easily and safely citizens can return to alternative forms of society. Unfortunately, these features suggest that while collapse has a mixed track record, in the modern world it might have only a dark future. -
2021-03-06 at 5:03 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe How collapsing civilizations have helped the world:
https://theweek.com/articles/843004/how-collapsing-civilizations-have-helped-world
thats why chinese characteristischs are important.
things with chinese characteristischs dont go extinct, they evolve. -
2021-03-13 at 6:28 PM UTC
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2021-03-13 at 7:13 PM UTCNew Zealand is heading toward collapse, and it's all about housing:
Businesses are closing left and right everywhere you go. There are whole strip malls empty now. Why invest in a business when you can just buy houses and get paid 20% on your money yearly for no risk? And yet everyone tells me the economy is doing great because they're including the housing market in their scope. The New Zealand economy is crumbling, and the housing market is just a fancy bandage.
Then when it comes to people, the vast majority of folk are seeing it's impossible to make a future here. Deposit requirements are rising faster than a person can even save. Rent is going to squeeze them all out, and at some point landlords will stop renting because their properties are appreciating so much anyway without it. The young and the talented are all telling each other 'fuck NZ, move somewhere else.'
How does their government not see this as the crumbling keystone that will collapse the country?
Looks like asset inflation is happening to the New Zealand housing market just as it is in America and other parts of the world. This is not necessarily a bubble (although the speed at which it is happening might make it one), but an indication that as the rate of profit continues to decline, more and more capital has to be invested to make smaller and smaller amounts of profit. We’re clearly in the late stages of capitalism. -
2021-03-13 at 8 PM UTCedited for privacy
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2021-03-17 at 8:57 PM UTC
By 2050 there will be more plastic than fish in the oceans. It’s an environmental crisis that’s been in the making for nearly 70 years. Plastic pollution is now considered one of the largest environmental threats facing humans and animals globally.
