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2020-10-20 at 3 PM UTC
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2020-10-20 at 3:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace Uhhhhhhhhh
Truth can't be falsified (kinda by its very nature - if it's possible to prove something wrong, it isn't 100% guaranteed to be true). So science can't tell you what is true, only what is most likely to be true by process of elimination. Science can tell you what is wrong. And when you do that over and over and over, you're left with a relatively accurate reflection of capital-T, guaranteed "Truths". -
2020-10-20 at 3:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai I think the vast majority of people place a lot of trust in science, including traditionally religious people. And yes, they don't all trust in it 100%. But there is a particular subset of people who do have unquestioning faith in science, and for whom the fact that science can change (and that actual scientists often delight in finding out they're wrong) is an afterthought; a get out of jail free card like "god works in mysterious ways".
You don't have to be smart or reasonable to have the right opinions. And when stupid unreasonable people get ahold of science, they treat it stupidly and unreasonably and believe in it to a stupid and unreasonable degree. The PopSci industry probably couldn't exist without people like that, who want to know the latest "facts" and believe in them just as deeply as they do something as rigorously tested as the standard model of physics (until it turns out they're wrong, and they start believing the new thing which is okay because god works in mysterious ways).
And you know what that makes them? Better scientists than some guy who just believed in the established facts without critical thought, skepticism, or the gathering of empirical data to support their belief. As long as they adjust their worldview to match the facts as established by their observations, proving themselves wrong is commendable.
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2020-10-20 at 3:23 PM UTC
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2020-10-20 at 3:24 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai Truth can't be falsified (kinda by its very nature - if it's possible to prove something wrong, it isn't 100% guaranteed to be true). So science can't tell you what is true, only what is most likely to be true by process of elimination. Science can tell you what is wrong. And when you do that over and over and over, you're left with a relatively accurate reflection of capital-T, guaranteed "Truths".
This is just plain not true and is stupid as fuck.
Science can prove that water alleviates human thirst. Tell me how that is 'proving something wrong' -
2020-10-20 at 3:25 PM UTC
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2020-10-20 at 3:27 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace This is just plain not true and is stupid as fuck.
Science can prove that water alleviates human thirst. Tell me how that is 'proving something wrong'
thirst being alleviated by water has not been falsified yet, can you prove it will never be?
see the white swan fallacy. better yet, go back to school you unbelievably dumb fuck. -
2020-10-20 at 3:29 PM UTC
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2020-10-20 at 3:35 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace This is just plain not true and is stupid as fuck.
Science can prove that water alleviates human thirst. Tell me how that is 'proving something wrong'
Science can get you infinitesimally close to 100% proof but it can never bridge that gap to 100% certainty. The only thing that can bridge that gap is faith.
Also, water doesn't alleviate human thirst and I have experimental data which proves it. I drank sea water once, it did not help. -
2020-10-20 at 5:01 PM UTC
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2020-10-20 at 5:03 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai Science can get you infinitesimally close to 100% proof but it can never bridge that gap to 100% certainty. The only thing that can bridge that gap is faith.
Also, water doesn't alleviate human thirst and I have experimental data which proves it. I drank sea water once, it did not help.
Water is hydrogen dioxide. Sea water is polluted hydrogen dioxide, and does not count as water and would never be used for such an experiment. It's the salt which makes sea water give you thirst, not the water in the sea water. You know how we know this? Because science.
You still haven't told me what this experiment proves ISN'T true. You've just tried to disprove it, and failed miserably.
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2020-10-20 at 5:15 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace Water is hydrogen dioxide. Sea water is polluted hydrogen dioxide, and does not count as water and would never be used for such an experiment. It's the salt which makes sea water give you thirst, not the water in the sea water. You know how we know this? Because science.
You still haven't told me what this experiment proves ISN'T true. You've just tried to disprove it, and failed miserably.
Do you want to try again, or do you admit defeat?
Water doesn't count as water? Nice try. -
2020-10-20 at 5:15 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace Water is hydrogen dioxide. Sea water is polluted hydrogen dioxide, and does not count as water and would never be used for such an experiment. It's the salt which makes sea water give you thirst, not the water in the sea water. You know how we know this? Because science.
You still haven't told me what this experiment proves ISN'T true. You've just tried to disprove it, and failed miserably.
Do you want to try again, or do you admit defeat?
it proves the theory that avoiding H2O will quench your thirst ISNT true.because you didnt went to school
understands sarcasm as much as he understands science 101. -
2020-10-20 at 5:24 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai Water doesn't count as water? Nice try.
Yep.
Originally posted by Kev it proves the theory that avoiding H2O will quench your thirst ISNT true.
understands sarcasm as much as he understands science 101.
That isn't a theory and the test doesn't look for that. It proves that your thirst is quenched by water. It does not prove that avoiding water doesn't quench your thirst. You can avoid water and consume other things to quench your thirst, such as vegetable oil or ethanol. -
2020-10-20 at 5:29 PM UTC
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2020-10-20 at 5:31 PM UTC
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2020-10-20 at 5:32 PM UTC
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2020-10-20 at 5:39 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kev excuse me, hypothesis. thats not what you asked, you asked what it proves wrong. you assert the theory is absolutely correct, are you then declaring it unfalsifiable?
By definition no theory is unfalsifiable. But that doesn't automatically discredit it. To become a scientific theory it has to be proven repeatedly. Such as the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution, the theory of oxygen, the theory of heliocentrism, etc...
Go ahead. Let's see how science is only proving what ISN'T true with these theories. Let's see it.
It's people like you who have no scientific education, but no qualms about talking out of their ass, that are the problem. You don't even understand the fundamental concept of scientific hypothesis that you should've learned about in elementary school. What you are saying is complete personal conjecture and has no basis in the scientific community. Absolutely no scientist is going around believing that their research is proving 'what isn't true'.
That's just some bullshit way that you can read 'between the lines' and discredit science that you'll never hope to understand. This is the only way you can create a world for yourself that you actually feel comfortable in. You've got to dumb things down to your level to fit in. That's how conservatives like you work. -
2020-10-20 at 5:40 PM UTC
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2020-10-20 at 5:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace By definition no theory is unfalsifiable. But that doesn't automatically discredit it.
you got it, im impressed. a theory being falsifiable doesnt discredit it, but it can be falsified by new evidence. theories remain theories and never become facts. the minute they do, they become junk science.
scientific theories are never right or wrong, they are either falsified or unfalsified. currently, the theory of gravity is unfalsified, that doesnt mean it wont be, no matter how many times you replicate it meanwhile.
