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Anyone notice the internet is way less idealistic/libertarian now?
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2020-09-22 at 1:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Perhaps not, and if we're going to be blackpilled on the issue, maybe those of us who have the required knowledge and experience to do so should begin setting up our own infrastructure through various technologies. At least then when the internet as we've known it ceases to exist we will have our underground networks and resources. At least then we can have a place for us specifically, where we control who gets to use our services and platforms. Of course it will be much smaller in scope than the mainstream variety, but it really doesn't matter. We can preserve our 'culture' for lack of a better term in such a fashion, and aggregate more knowledge, skills, and everything else that is important to us and our interests.
that is a start but it would have to be both sophisticated enough to deter the normies yet simple enough to appeal to teens. without young blood, we will just die and be forgotten. totse was fucking popular among the youngins, we need to recreate whatever that was.
right now, the government and/or corporations control the domain registration market so the world wide web is literally fucking useless. whatever platform we create needs to be something that can sustain itself yet be impossible to control.
we obliterated the entire concept of copyright a decade ago with peer to peer networks that had no single server the pigs could point a gun at. the problem is, they could still point a gun at the programmers who built it and get them to backdoor it.
we need something like this updated to 2020.
whatever network you are creating, be fucking discreet. you already revealed way too many details in the few posts of yours i saw. -
2020-09-22 at 10:16 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kev that is a start but it would have to be both sophisticated enough to deter the normies yet simple enough to appeal to teens. without young blood, we will just die and be forgotten. totse was fucking popular among the youngins, we need to recreate whatever that was.
right now, the government and/or corporations control the domain registration market so the world wide web is literally fucking useless. whatever platform we create needs to be something that can sustain itself yet be impossible to control.
we obliterated the entire concept of copyright a decade ago with peer to peer networks that had no single server the pigs could point a gun at. the problem is, they could still point a gun at the programmers who built it and get them to backdoor it.
we need something like this updated to 2020.
whatever network you are creating, be fucking discreet. you already revealed way too many details in the few posts of yours i saw.
That's a different kind of infrastructure. Designed for a very specific purpose. Also, having an open process doesn't jeopardize the security of the system if implemented correctly, adversaries being familiar with the process by which some infrastructure operates can be factored into the overall threat model.
Domain registration and things like DNS can be done in multiple different ways. One of the ways i've heard proposed was a little like how the bitcoin ledger works. If everyone has a copy of the phone book we don't need operators to direct our calls to some place or another. -
2020-09-23 at 3:14 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie That's a different kind of infrastructure. Designed for a very specific purpose. Also, having an open process doesn't jeopardize the security of the system if implemented correctly, adversaries being familiar with the process by which some infrastructure operates can be factored into the overall threat model.
Domain registration and things like DNS can be done in multiple different ways. One of the ways i've heard proposed was a little like how the bitcoin ledger works. If everyone has a copy of the phone book we don't need operators to direct our calls to some place or another.
and guess what? bitcoin is not anonymous.
i shouldve been more specific, we need something like a 2020 version of newsgroups and usenet. it has forums and filesharing, it cant be shut down because it is distributed. my only issue is that these networks dont seem to be selfsustaining, there is always a single point of failure somewhere the entire system depends on.
i never understood why today in 2020 where dialup is long gone we still pay premiums out of our ass to someone else for hosting services. we ALL have high speed now, we ARE the fucking internet. -
2020-09-23 at 3:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kev i never understood why today in 2020 where dialup is long gone we still pay premiums out of our ass to someone else for hosting services. we ALL have high speed now, we ARE the fucking internet.
me too.
i dont see any reason why lanny cant host the entire server under her kitchen cabinet when jeff hunter could under his bed.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-09-24 at 3:57 AM UTC
Originally posted by Kev and guess what? bitcoin is not anonymous.
Do you think you are telling me something i don't know yet or what? I said it was a little similar, not exactly alike. A distributed ledger as a way to resolve domains was the main take-away from that. And even then, I didn't say we should implement a system based on that. It's an interesting concept to consider though. You could even take the concept and customize it until it is fit for purpose, but i digress.
Originally posted by Kev i shouldve been more specific, we need something like a 2020 version of newsgroups and usenet. it has forums and filesharing, it cant be shut down because it is distributed. my only issue is that these networks dont seem to be selfsustaining, there is always a single point of failure somewhere the entire system depends on.
I agree it should be decentralized but what sort of model would you envision under a 'distributed' design? How did Usenet do it back in the day? Peer to peer? -
2020-09-24 at 3:01 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie I agree it should be decentralized but what sort of model would you envision under a 'distributed' design? How did Usenet do it back in the day? Peer to peer?
Thats what i cant figure out. usenet was server to server but it delegated the data so none really had undue authority, that is until that shit started getting commercialized and became a race to the bottom.
Peer to peer is the most interesting but most designers of such networks are completely full of shit when they advertise them as such. none of them are actually peer to peer, they never were. there is always a single point of failure. limewire s ultrapeers for example were stored on IRC servers, did i say server? oh wait, this was supposed to be peer to peer? silly me, i forget to unquestioningly take peoples word for everything sometimes.
i am not convinced a decentralized system is possible at all. how the fuck do i connect to one, which IP would i know to connect to? there has to be at least one ultrapeer that is guaranteed to be there forever. so long as that is the case, there is always a single point of failure that can and will be exploited.
im all ears if someone can convince me otherwise.
