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Whatβs wrong with mail in ballots for the 2020 election?
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2020-08-19 at 12:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by Splam Surely evidence has been lost I the mail too.
Registered mail is meant to ensure delivery because every step of the process is accounted for.Almost impossible. It has to be 100% impossible for it to be accepted as a replacement for in person voting. Or at the very least not a downgrade. Not to say voting booths themselves likely deal with their own share of fraud. Minor exceptions can be made for people working or serving overseas.
No, as regular walk in voting is also not 100% impossible to defraud. In fact it is much easier: most election fraud around the world has been on regular walk in voting, because it is as simple as compromising a particular location where the ballot box is being held.
Large scale postal fraud itself is ridiculously difficult to coordinate and easy to detect, it is easily caught by looking for statistical outliers in vote totals, checking signatures and basic detective work. Colorado, Washington and Oregon primarily rely on postal voting and there has never been a statistically significant increase in voter fraud.
You have to believe the entire USPS is conspiring to rig the election in some Qanon type mental retardation. And not care about the actual voter suppression that happens and is happening by reducing access to voting.
This is a made up issue created and supported by retards who are too scared that increased access to voting will lead to Trump losing. That's the long and short of it. -
2020-08-19 at 1:01 PM UTC
Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood Americans are too fat to walk to the voting booth anymore they need mail in ballots LMAO
Voting should be as painless and easy to access as possible, as it is one of our most important rights. In the US blocking access to voting is used as a tool of voter suppression. Election day isn't even a holiday. For example unlike Canada it's not required to have a polling booth in walking distance from you. -
2020-08-19 at 1:02 PM UTC
Originally posted by ORACLE It doesn't need to be two ways, and there are no "legal custody requirements" for voting, because it's not necessary. Large scale fraud on postal voting is almost impossible.
You don't even know what a chain of custody requires. I have determined you lack the basic knowledge required to continue this . -
2020-08-19 at 1:07 PM UTC
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2020-08-19 at 1:18 PM UTC
Originally posted by ORACLE USPS registered mail is used for evidence in trials so deal with it loser.
That doesn't mean the mail in system proposed by the dems meets simple chain of custody requirements. Until you understand what is required to establish that simple standard I may as well talk to a cat or a dog on this. -
2020-08-19 at 1:27 PM UTC
Originally posted by Speedy Parker That doesn't mean the mail in system proposed by the dems meets simple chain of custody requirements. Until you understand what is required to establish that simple standard I may as well talk to a cat or a dog on this.
There are no chain of custody requirements for mail in voting.
We were only ever talking about chain of custody to answer your shitty question about trial using nailed evidence. Which they do. What does that have to do with voting? -
2020-08-19 at 3:08 PM UTC
absolutely,
Nothing wrong with Absentee Ballots... because Absentee balloting regulates/assures a "One person, One Vote" approach! ππ»πΊπΈ
There' is a chit-ton wrong with "Ballot-harvesting," which is... why the Democraps want it to be a "mail-in" election and for them spreading all their "fear mongering propaganda" over it... π
just where was all their concern after Obama put all the "current policies" into place- in 2012... ?π€·π»ββοΈ
...and before TRUMP's Executive orders essentially, putting the hammer on all their unnecessary fund requests of/in their CARES ACT legislation wanting to help "bail-out" chitty run Democrat states? hmmm?! -
2020-08-19 at 3:27 PM UTChttps://www.zerohedge.com/political/taibbi-press-cried-wolf
Pretty good articles on how this fake bullshit isn't new, how they made up the entire story, and how both parties fucked over the post office in favour of for-profit carriers. -
2020-08-19 at 4:11 PM UTCIt IS one person one vote like absentee ballots.
US voters only receive mail in ballots by specifically requesting one from their local election office, be it from their county or their state, it comes from the same voter registration rolls. -
2020-08-19 at 4:21 PM UTC
Originally posted by ORACLE No you don't. Registered voters who specifically request a ballot get ballots mailed to them. It's trivial to track postal voting statistically.
theres no proof that they will mark their ballot papers amd mail them back, and no evidences that ballot papers that ended up in the post offices really came from registered voters themself.It's a federal agency, just like the Election Commission.
thats just like saying USPS is on the same par as FBI and NSA because they're all federal agency.
they're not staffed by the same tier of people and they dont have similar pay grade. -
2020-08-19 at 7:15 PM UTC
Originally posted by ORACLE There are no chain of custody requirements for mail in voting.
I never said there was. Which brings us back full circel to my original question that not one of you here who supports mail in voting can or will honest directly and honestly.
Are you OK with ballots being mass mailed out to addresses and being returned by regular pre-paid postage? If so would you be ok with that exact same chain of custody for evidence in a criminal trial with you as the defendant? Becasue that is what a ballot is, evidence of specific voters will not a piece of paper filled out by who knows who and handled by god only knows. -
2020-08-19 at 7:27 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny theres no proof that they will mark their ballot papers amd mail them back, and no evidences that ballot papers that ended up in the post offices really came from registered voters themself.
So? You don't know how many people sent what from where. If you add fake ballots, you will exceed the voter roll and it will be obvious where tampering has occurred.thats just like saying USPS is on the same par as FBI and NSA because they're all federal agency.
they're not staffed by the same tier of people and they dont have similar pay grade.
The USPIS is literally on par with the FBI and NSA. It's a legit law enforcement agency. -
2020-08-19 at 7:29 PM UTC
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2020-08-19 at 7:33 PM UTC
Originally posted by Speedy Parker I never said there was.
I never said you did. I just said there wasn't. Triggered much?Which brings us back full circel to my original question that not one of you here who supports mail in voting can or will honest directly and honestly.
Again your illiteracy doesn't equal nobody answering your question.Are you OK with ballots being mass mailed out to addresses and being returned by regular pre-paid postage?,
I'm okay with them being mailed out to voters who request them, sure.If so would you be ok with that exact same chain of custody for evidence in a criminal trial with you as the defendant?
No because a criminal trial and a vote aren't the same thing.Becasue that is what a ballot is, evidence of specific voters will not a piece of paper filled out by who knows who and handled by god only knows.
No, no it's specifically not. They're anonymous specifically because you shouldn't be able to discern a particular voter's will. You just need to ensure one vote per voter, and that their vote is counted.
Unless you can present evidence of the possibility of mass voter fraud on postal voting, it's just a stupid concern driven entirely by drowning in Trump semen. Because it's borderline impossible by all accounts. -
2020-08-19 at 7:37 PM UTC
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2020-08-19 at 7:41 PM UTC
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2020-08-19 at 7:50 PM UTC
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2020-08-19 at 7:55 PM UTC
Originally posted by ORACLE That sounds like a "you" problem.
Nope it's a USPS problem, they lose something about once every month or so and when it shows up the address on it is correct...they are just dumb fucks.
Try calling them to get it fixed and it's like calling some random gont too...they answer the phone "hello"...no "USPS how can I help?"..just some slovenly waste of skin saying "hello" in a "I hate my job" tone.
Fire them all and privatize it. -
2020-08-19 at 7:59 PM UTC
Originally posted by ORACLE The USPIS is literally on par with the FBI and NSA. It's a legit law enforcement agency.
That is blatant bullshit it's not any kind of law enforcement agency. It is a privately operated company that is subsidized by tax dollars. But even if it were close to true you would be talking about the same FBI that lied on FISA warrant application to spy on Trump for the democrats. So either way your response is ridiculous. -
2020-08-19 at 8:48 PM UTC
Originally posted by Netflxchillr
absolutely,
Nothing wrong with Absentee Ballots… because Absentee balloting regulates/assures a "One person, One Vote" approach! ππ»πΊπΈ
There' is a chit-ton wrong with "Ballot-harvesting," which is… why the Democraps want it to be a "mail-in" election and for them spreading all their "fear mongering propaganda" over it… π
just where was all their concern after Obama put all the "current policies" into place- in 2012… ?π€·π»ββοΈ
…and before TRUMP's Executive orders essentially, putting the hammer on all their unnecessary fund requests of/in their CARES ACT legislation wanting to help "bail-out" chitty run Democrat states? hmmm?!
The only case of ballot harvesting and fraud I've ever hear of happened here a couples years ago and was done by a republican
