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I don't want to give anyone idead but...
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2020-07-28 at 12:06 PM UTCI've always wondered why terrorist, don't just go around to high voltage towers that carry the power lines into a city and knock them over. At least where i live they're not well guarded. They might have a fence around them but that's nothing a pair of bolt cutters can't handle. They have four supports that are anchored way down into the ground. But that doesn't even matter.
If i were to go ahead and cause mayhem i'd attach cutting shaped charges to two of the supports, then use high explosives in a standard configuration to go off a millisecond after the shaped charged go. As such the shaped charges will cut the metal supports and your regular charges will blast the metal framing away from the area that was just cut, at an upwards angle so that the tower loses the two supports simultaneously and gets knocked in the direction where you know you will put the most strain on the cabling on top.
Preferable the tower would fall forward in the direction of the next tower in line, in doing so the stress on the cables of the tower before that one will become so great that they snap. If you manage to identify a couple towers that bring most of the electricity into the city, and destroy them. Mayhem will ensue. Especially if you coordinate the blackout to occur with a couple run of the mill carbombs around emergency services headquarters, like the police stations, fire and medical response.
You don't even necessarily have to kill people just make it so emergency services are having a crisis right at the moment you blow the towers. It wouldn't even require a lot of money to pull off, and you would have effectively shut down a city. If you really want to create turbo mayhem you wait for emergency services from other parts of the state or province to be diverted to help in disaster relief, then go for some high profile targets like regional government headquarters and the like.
Just to be clear, i am not a terrorist, i do not intend to commit any crimes of any sort or encourage anyone to do so, but from a hypothetical strategical or tactical standpoint, this seems to me the way to go. -
2020-07-28 at 12:11 PM UTCit'd be easier to hit substations I'd think - you could cut the huge eiffel-tower looking lines to a small town but I'd expect there's a good degree of redundancy for a city
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2020-07-28 at 12:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra it'd be easier to hit substations I'd think - you could cut the huge eiffel-tower looking lines to a small town but I'd expect there's a good degree of redundancy for a city
I would expect a city to have some redundancies too, that's why i suggested knocking over more than one tower. the big towers come directly from the substations, and at least in my area the substations do have security. So by targeting the major towers you can do your dastardly deeds relatively safely, without much chance of being caught or getting into a shootout with security services before you have the chance to occupy them with disaster at their front doors. -
2020-07-28 at 12:26 PM UTCYou could also let the oil out of transformers.
And instead of knocking towers down you could short the wires out with steel cable.
You could also shoot out the insulators, though I doubt it would work unless you had a very big gun. -
2020-07-28 at 12:34 PM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting You could also let the oil out of transformers.
And instead of knocking towers down you could short the wires out with steel cable.
You could also shoot out the insulators, though I doubt it would work unless you had a very big gun.
Which transformers? There's a couple down the line. From the power plant to the substations to the facilities where the high voltage comes into the city to the local grid with mini stations and boxes throughout the city. The mini stations are built like vaults. Concrete and thick steel doors. Now i have been educated in EE and worked repairs on the mini stations and city boxes, but boxes run blocks and mini stations sectors. -
2020-07-28 at 12:42 PM UTCbecause 40' tractor traillers with generator are pretty cheap and a plenty.
power can be restore in hours. -
2020-07-28 at 12:48 PM UTCI wonder if you could take down a tower with some steel cable and a ratchet. Wrap the cable around the tower, and increase the tension until the supports buckle.
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2020-07-28 at 12:53 PM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting I wonder if you could take down a tower with some steel cable and a ratchet. Wrap the cable around the tower, and increase the tension until the supports buckle.
I am sure you could but it would require some serious machinery to pull off.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-07-28 at 12:55 PM UTC
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2020-07-28 at 12:55 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny because 40' tractor traillers with generator are pretty cheap and a plenty.
power can be restore in hours.
Well, maybe the biggest cities have these in case of disaster, but the smaller ones definitely don't where i'm at. Also, how much power would such a truck produce? As in how many households would it be able to provide electricity for? -
2020-07-28 at 12:56 PM UTC
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2020-07-28 at 1:03 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Well, maybe the biggest cities have these in case of disaster, but the smaller ones definitely don't where i'm at. Also, how much power would such a truck produce? As in how many households would it be able to provide electricity for?
a few blocks.
only critical infrastructures like hospitals need them. households can wait or put on limited use. people are not going to revolt because they dont have electricity for a few days because of terror attack. -
2020-07-28 at 1:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting I wonder if you could take down a tower with some steel cable and a ratchet. Wrap the cable around the tower, and increase the tension until the supports buckle.
assuming your talking about the bigger ones, the load they are bearing are in hundreds of tons.
your bear hand cohld do little. -
2020-07-28 at 1:16 PM UTCIt's the power generators that are the most vulnerable, because it takes 10 years to build a new one.
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2020-07-28 at 1:25 PM UTC
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2020-07-28 at 1:35 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny a few blocks.
only critical infrastructures like hospitals need them. households can wait or put on limited use. people are not going to revolt because they dont have electricity for a few days because of terror attack.
Obviously the point wouldn't be to get the people to revolt. It would be a show of force, a demonstration of what the terror group is capable of. The terror group should make it clear that this is just a sample of the amount of chaos they can unleash unless their political demands are not met. Make the people afraid, make the government look powerless to stop the terror organization. Which would be made all the more clear by the simultaneous attacks that will make it so emergency services will be unavailable for a good amount of time as the crisis ensues. -
2020-07-28 at 3:16 PM UTCThey want to kill people, more than they want to cause damage.
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2020-07-28 at 3:53 PM UTC
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2020-07-28 at 5:25 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie They want to scare the population and government into doing their bidding. Often through violence and killing, but the terrorist's chief weapon is fear.
You do know your opening post could be considered by the FBI, the DHS and the CIA as a potential plan to commit a terrorist attack on the homeland, the great US of A, don't you psychomanthis? -
2020-07-28 at 5:27 PM UTCDid anyone ever get the idea to damage a dyke yet?
