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2020-07-06 at 3:27 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Again he isn't/wasn't human…any references to humans is 100% irrelevant in determining his skin color.
It's like saying liserds in Africa are black because humans there are….
Nowhere in the bible does it say he isn't human. That is your assumption.
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2020-07-06 at 3:31 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace Nowhere in the bible does it say he isn't human. That is your assumption.
I cut out the assumptions and quoted directly from scripture.
The bible was written by those with an interest in spreading their lies...duh.
Always amusing when people cite the bible as some sort of valid response.
If you wrote a book about tomato picking and said "Mexicans are the only race capable of picking tomatoes properly so hire them"...it would be self serving lies...as Asians can pick them well too. -
2020-07-06 at 3:32 PM UTCThere is a ton of evidence to suggest Adam and Eve were oriental. Jesus could have been oriental as well.
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2020-07-06 at 3:35 PM UTC
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2020-07-06 at 3:37 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson
The bible was written by those with an interest in spreading their lies…duh.
Always amusing when people cite the bible as some sort of valid response.
If you wrote a book about tomato picking and said "Mexicans are the only race capable of picking tomatoes properly so hire them"…it would be self serving lies…as Asians can pick them well too.
"The bible is a lie" - shit Christians don't say.
Your hypothetical trolling fails at every turn. -
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2020-07-06 at 3:43 PM UTCWhat makes the bible so powerful, and how you know it is from a higher source, is the eerie accuracy of the prophesies contained within it. Years and events, and even names, are prophesied thousands of years in advance with deadly accuracy. If you do a deep-dive into the details, you will see what I say is true. There's no way a mere human could have predicted with such amazing accuracy the places, events, dates and names of history which would occur in the distant future. We know the bible is legit, because it proves it to us, beyond all doubt.
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2020-07-06 at 3:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL What makes the bible so powerful, and how you know it is from a higher source, is the eerie accuracy of the prophesies contained within it. Years and events, and even names, are prophesied thousands of years in advance with deadly accuracy. If you do a deep-dive into the details, you will see what I say is true. There's no way a mere human could have predicted with such amazing accuracy the places, events, dates and names of history which would occur in the distant future. We know the bible is legit, because it proves it to us, beyond all doubt.
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2020-07-06 at 3:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL What makes the bible so powerful, and how you know it is from a higher source, is the eerie accuracy of the prophesies contained within it. Years and events, and even names, are prophesied thousands of years in advance with deadly accuracy. If you do a deep-dive into the details, you will see what I say is true. There's no way a mere human could have predicted with such amazing accuracy the places, events, dates and names of history which would occur in the distant future. We know the bible is legit, because it proves it to us, beyond all doubt.
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2020-07-06 at 3:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Give us a few examples.
These are just a few.. there are many, many, many more...
(1) Some time before 500 BC, the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 BC, 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee. (Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about AD 26. Also note that from 1 BC to AD 1 is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in AD 70 came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 5th power.)*
(2) In approximately 700 BC, the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2). The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10th power.)
(3) In the fifth century BC, a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slaveâthirty pieces of silver, according to jedi law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," usedâjust as predictedâfor the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 11th power.)
(4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 13th power.)
(5) The prophet Isaiah foretold that a conqueror named Cyrus would destroy seemingly impregnable Babylon and subdue Egypt along with most of the rest of the known world. This same man, said Isaiah, would decide to let the jedi exiles in his territory go free without any payment of ransom (Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; and 45:13). Isaiah made this prophecy 150 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the jedis were taken into exile.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 15th power.)
(6) Mighty Babylon, 196 miles square, was enclosed not only by a moat, but also by a double wall 330 feet high, each part 90 feet thick. It was said by unanimous popular opinion to be indestructible, yet two Bible prophets declared its doom. These prophets further claimed that the ruins would be avoided by travelers, that the city would never again be inhabited, and that its stones would not even be moved for use as building material (Isaiah 13:17-22 and Jeremiah 51:26, 43). Their description is, in fact, the well-documented history of the famous citadel.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 9th power.)
(7) The exact location and construction sequence of Jerusalem's nine suburbs was predicted by Jeremiah about 2600 years ago. He referred to the time of this building project as "the last days," that is, the time period of Israel's second rebirth as a nation in the land of Palestine (Jeremiah 31:38-40). This rebirth became history in 1948, and the construction of the nine suburbs has gone forward precisely in the locations and in the sequence predicted.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 18th power.)
(8) The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient jedi nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the jedis captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 BC and the second in AD 70. God's spokesmen said, further, that the jedis would remain scattered throughout the entire world for many generations, but without becoming assimilated by the peoples or of other nations, and that the jedis would one day return to the land of Palestine to re-establish for a second time their nation (Deuteronomy 29; Isaiah 11:11-13; Jeremiah 25:11; Hosea 3:4-5 and Luke 21:23-24).
This prophetic statement sweeps across 3,500 years of history to its complete fulfillmentâin our lifetime.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 20th power.)
(9) Jeremiah predicted that despite its fertility and despite the accessibility of its water supply, the land of Edom (today a part of Jordan) would become a barren, uninhabited wasteland (Jeremiah 49:15-20; Ezekiel 25:12-14). His description accurately tells the history of that now bleak region.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 5th power.)
(10) Joshua prophesied that Jericho would be rebuilt by one man. He also said that the man's eldest son would die when the reconstruction began and that his youngest son would die when the work reached completion (Joshua 6:26). About five centuries later this prophecy found its fulfillment in the life and family of a man named Hiel (1 Kings 16:33-34).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 7th power).
(11) The day of Elijah's supernatural departure from Earth was predicted unanimouslyâand accurately, according to the eye-witness accountâby a group of fifty prophets (2 Kings 2:3-11).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 9th power).
(12) Jahaziel prophesied that King Jehoshaphat and a tiny band of men would defeat an enormous, well-equipped, well-trained army without even having to fight. Just as predicted, the King and his troops stood looking on as their foes were supernaturally destroyed to the last man (2 Chronicles 20).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 8th power).
(13) One prophet of God (unnamed, but probably Shemiah) said that a future king of Judah, named Josiah, would take the bones of all the occultic priests (priests of the "high places") of Israel's King Jeroboam and burn them on Jeroboam's altar (1 Kings 13:2 and 2 Kings 23:15-18). This event occurred approximately 300 years after it was foretold.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 13th power).
Since these thirteen prophecies cover mostly separate and independent events, the probability of chance occurrence for all thirteen is about 1 in 10138 (138 equals the sum of all the exponents of 10 in the probability estimates above). For the sake of putting the figure into perspective, this probability can be compared to the statistical chance that the second law of thermodynamics will be reversed in a given situation (for example, that a gasoline engine will refrigerate itself during its combustion cycle or that heat will flow from a cold body to a hot body)âthat chance = 1 in 1080. Stating it simply, based on these thirteen prophecies alone, the Bible record may be said to be vastly more reliable than the second law of thermodynamics. Each reader should feel free to make his own reasonable estimates of probability for the chance fulfillment of the prophecies cited here. In any case, the probabilities deduced still will be absurdly remote.
Given that the Bible proves so reliable a document, there is every reason to expect that the remaining 500 prophecies, those slated for the "time of the end," also will be fulfilled to the last letter. Who can afford to ignore these coming events, much less miss out on the immeasurable blessings offered to anyone and everyone who submits to the control of the Bible's author, Jesus Christ? Would a reasonable person take lightly God's warning of judgment for those who reject what they know to be true about Jesus Christ and the Bible, or who reject Jesus' claim on their lives?
*The estimates of probability included herein come from a group of secular research scientists. As an example of their method of estimation, consider their calculations for this first prophecy cited:
Since the Messiah's ministry could conceivably begin in any one of about 5000 years, there is, then, one chance in about 5,000 that his ministry could begin in AD 26.
Since the Messiah is God in human form, the possibility of his being killed is considerably low, say less than one chance in 10.
Relative to the second destruction of Jerusalem, this execution has roughly an even chance of occurring before or after that event, that is, one chance in 2.
Hence, the probability of chance fulfillment for this prophecy is 1 in 5,000 x 10 x 2, which is 1 in 100,000, or 1 in 10 to the 5th power. -
2020-07-06 at 3:52 PM UTCJust picking one at random...lets evaluate this proof:
(11) The day of Elijah's supernatural departure from Earth was predicted unanimouslyâand accurately, according to the eye-witness accountâby a group of fifty prophets (2 Kings 2:3-11).
according to eye witness account
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2020-07-06 at 3:54 PM UTC
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2020-07-06 at 4 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL These are just a few.. there are many, many, many more…
(1) Some time before 500 BC, the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 BC, 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee. (Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about AD 26. Also note that from 1 BC to AD 1 is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in AD 70 came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 5th power.)*
(2) In approximately 700 BC, the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2). The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10th power.)
(3) In the fifth century BC, a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slaveâthirty pieces of silver, according to jedi law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," usedâjust as predictedâfor the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 11th power.)
(4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 13th power.)
(5) The prophet Isaiah foretold that a conqueror named Cyrus would destroy seemingly impregnable Babylon and subdue Egypt along with most of the rest of the known world. This same man, said Isaiah, would decide to let the jedi exiles in his territory go free without any payment of ransom (Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; and 45:13). Isaiah made this prophecy 150 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the jedis were taken into exile.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 15th power.)
(6) Mighty Babylon, 196 miles square, was enclosed not only by a moat, but also by a double wall 330 feet high, each part 90 feet thick. It was said by unanimous popular opinion to be indestructible, yet two Bible prophets declared its doom. These prophets further claimed that the ruins would be avoided by travelers, that the city would never again be inhabited, and that its stones would not even be moved for use as building material (Isaiah 13:17-22 and Jeremiah 51:26, 43). Their description is, in fact, the well-documented history of the famous citadel.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 9th power.)
(7) The exact location and construction sequence of Jerusalem's nine suburbs was predicted by Jeremiah about 2600 years ago. He referred to the time of this building project as "the last days," that is, the time period of Israel's second rebirth as a nation in the land of Palestine (Jeremiah 31:38-40). This rebirth became history in 1948, and the construction of the nine suburbs has gone forward precisely in the locations and in the sequence predicted.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 18th power.)
(8) The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient jedi nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the jedis captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 BC and the second in AD 70. God's spokesmen said, further, that the jedis would remain scattered throughout the entire world for many generations, but without becoming assimilated by the peoples or of other nations, and that the jedis would one day return to the land of Palestine to re-establish for a second time their nation (Deuteronomy 29; Isaiah 11:11-13; Jeremiah 25:11; Hosea 3:4-5 and Luke 21:23-24).
This prophetic statement sweeps across 3,500 years of history to its complete fulfillmentâin our lifetime.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 20th power.)
(9) Jeremiah predicted that despite its fertility and despite the accessibility of its water supply, the land of Edom (today a part of Jordan) would become a barren, uninhabited wasteland (Jeremiah 49:15-20; Ezekiel 25:12-14). His description accurately tells the history of that now bleak region.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 5th power.)
(10) Joshua prophesied that Jericho would be rebuilt by one man. He also said that the man's eldest son would die when the reconstruction began and that his youngest son would die when the work reached completion (Joshua 6:26). About five centuries later this prophecy found its fulfillment in the life and family of a man named Hiel (1 Kings 16:33-34).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 7th power).
(11) The day of Elijah's supernatural departure from Earth was predicted unanimouslyâand accurately, according to the eye-witness accountâby a group of fifty prophets (2 Kings 2:3-11).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 9th power).
(12) Jahaziel prophesied that King Jehoshaphat and a tiny band of men would defeat an enormous, well-equipped, well-trained army without even having to fight. Just as predicted, the King and his troops stood looking on as their foes were supernaturally destroyed to the last man (2 Chronicles 20).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 8th power).
(13) One prophet of God (unnamed, but probably Shemiah) said that a future king of Judah, named Josiah, would take the bones of all the occultic priests (priests of the "high places") of Israel's King Jeroboam and burn them on Jeroboam's altar (1 Kings 13:2 and 2 Kings 23:15-18). This event occurred approximately 300 years after it was foretold.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 13th power).
Since these thirteen prophecies cover mostly separate and independent events, the probability of chance occurrence for all thirteen is about 1 in 10138 (138 equals the sum of all the exponents of 10 in the probability estimates above). For the sake of putting the figure into perspective, this probability can be compared to the statistical chance that the second law of thermodynamics will be reversed in a given situation (for example, that a gasoline engine will refrigerate itself during its combustion cycle or that heat will flow from a cold body to a hot body)âthat chance = 1 in 1080. Stating it simply, based on these thirteen prophecies alone, the Bible record may be said to be vastly more reliable than the second law of thermodynamics. Each reader should feel free to make his own reasonable estimates of probability for the chance fulfillment of the prophecies cited here. In any case, the probabilities deduced still will be absurdly remote.
Given that the Bible proves so reliable a document, there is every reason to expect that the remaining 500 prophecies, those slated for the "time of the end," also will be fulfilled to the last letter. Who can afford to ignore these coming events, much less miss out on the immeasurable blessings offered to anyone and everyone who submits to the control of the Bible's author, Jesus Christ? Would a reasonable person take lightly God's warning of judgment for those who reject what they know to be true about Jesus Christ and the Bible, or who reject Jesus' claim on their lives?
*The estimates of probability included herein come from a group of secular research scientists. As an example of their method of estimation, consider their calculations for this first prophecy cited:
Since the Messiah's ministry could conceivably begin in any one of about 5000 years, there is, then, one chance in about 5,000 that his ministry could begin in AD 26.
Since the Messiah is God in human form, the possibility of his being killed is considerably low, say less than one chance in 10.
Relative to the second destruction of Jerusalem, this execution has roughly an even chance of occurring before or after that event, that is, one chance in 2.
Hence, the probability of chance fulfillment for this prophecy is 1 in 5,000 x 10 x 2, which is 1 in 100,000, or 1 in 10 to the 5th power.
Not going to bother reading this entire mess. In fact I stopped when you babbled about Palestine and Jeremiah 31:38-40. Palestine is not mentioned period in Jeremiah 31:38-40.38 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the city shall be built to the Lord from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner.
39 And the measuring line shall yet go forth over against it upon the hill Gareb, and shall compass about to Goath.
40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook of Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, shall be holy unto the Lord; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more for ever.
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2020-07-06 at 4:10 PM UTC
Originally posted by Speedy Parker Not going to bother reading this entire mess. In fact I stopped when you babbled about Palestine and Jeremiah 31:38-40. Palestine is not mentioned period in Jeremiah 31:38-40.
So uh yeah…
You obviously don't know what the borders of Palestine were in ancient times. Maybe you should actually do your homework, instead of babbling like an uneducated idiot who knows nothing about it. -
2020-07-06 at 4:13 PM UTC(8) The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient jedi nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the jedis captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 BC and the second in AD 70.
Can you cite Moses original writing of this?...not what the bible recounts AFTER the fact.
It's worthless without the actual original document...any idiot can say anything after the fact.
"Yeah I prophesized 911 would happen back in 1993...but I'm just telling you now in 2002.
ETA: and please stop citing the bible as the source of proof for ...the bible...fucking lol -
2020-07-06 at 4:22 PM UTCGod is real and God is Good
I'm Gonna tell da Naybahood -
2020-07-06 at 4:23 PM UTC
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2020-07-06 at 4:24 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson (8) The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient jedi nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the jedis captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 BC and the second in AD 70.
Can you cite Moses original writing of this?…not what the bible recounts AFTER the fact.
It's worthless without the actual original document…any idiot can say anything after the fact.
"Yeah I prophesized 911 would happen back in 1993…but I'm just telling you now in 2002.
ETA: and please stop citing the bible as the source of proof for …the bible…fucking lol
None of the original manuscripts exist, because of the degradation and decomposition of the paper they were written on. But we have copies, and those copies have been authenticated.
