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What happened to hydroxychloriquine?
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2020-04-24 at 10:51 AM UTC
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2020-04-24 at 11:05 AM UTC
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2020-04-24 at 11:20 AM UTCI dropped this in the other thread, but I found this to be fucking lunacy.
"As a global leader in health and hygiene products, we must be clear that under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route)," British consumer goods company Reckitt Benckiser said in a statement Friday, taking the extra step of bolding the phrase "under no circumstance" in their release.
The company was prompted to issue the unusual advisory by a suggestion President Donald Trump made at his Thursday news conference. The president, addressing the power of disinfectants to kill the virus on surfaces, suggested looking into whether they could be injected to treat the virus as well.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/lysol-maker-please-dont-ingest-or-inject-our-product-to-treat-coronavirus/2388212/?amp
My gosh. Is this bizzaro world? -
2020-04-24 at 11:28 AM UTCI think it's kind of dangerous that manufacturers are taking ownership of whole classes of chemicals, like bleach or alcohol. That isn't supposed to be their job. Branding is dangerous.
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2020-04-24 at 11:28 AM UTC
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2020-04-24 at 11:57 AM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist Explain please🤷‍♀️
Well basically unless it's patented or strongly branded the west is trying to move away from it.
I mean that is the motivating energy behind this thread - the drug in question is generic, no one can make a lot of money from it, therefore it's obviously useless and probably dangerous too.
In Russia they use helium to help pneumonia patients breath easier. Not good enough for the west - no money to be made.
In China they use propylene glycol (the stuff in nicotine liquid) as a disinfectant. That's what they were spraying in Wuhan. Not good enough for us.
Bleach is bleach, there is no bleach that is better than another bleach. Buying branded bleach is stupid. But our culture is that we know best, and unless it makes money for the rich it's wicked and dirty. Unashamed and unselfaware chauvinism and superstition. -
2020-04-24 at 12:02 PM UTC
Originally posted by Cathay Coof Well basically unless it's patented or strongly branded the west is trying to move away from it.
I mean that is the motivating energy behind this thread - the drug in question is generic, no one can make a lot of money from it, therefore it's obviously useless and probably dangerous too.
In Russia they use helium to help pneumonia patients breath easier. Not good enough for the west - no money to be made.
In China they use propylene glycol (the stuff in nicotine liquid) as a disinfectant. That's what they were spraying in Wuhan. Not good enough for us.
Bleach is bleach, there is no bleach that is better than another bleach. Buying branded bleach is stupid. But our culture is that we know best, and unless it makes money for the rich it's wicked and dirty. Unashamed and unselfaware chauvinism and superstition.
That makes sense. But I don’t think hydroxychloriquine should even be considered due to the scientific evidence. -
2020-04-24 at 12:12 PM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist That makes sense. But I don’t think hydroxychloriquine should even be considered due to the scientific evidence.
Masks are the same, and electrostatic air enhancements/air enhancements in general. Even fresh air - how many places are improving ventilation or opening windows in response to corona? Oh but that would be free - no good.
And what evidence did we have about this drug when you made this thread that should exclude it from being considered? -
2020-04-24 at 12:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by Cathay Coof And what evidence did we have about this drug when you made this thread that should exclude it from being considered?
Originally posted by Technologist Not a damn thing. Various studies prove it doesn’t work for a treatment of Covid. As a matter of fact, the VA study proves it gives worse outcomes than doing what the doctors have been doing all along.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/21/anti-malarial-drug-trump-touted-is-linked-higher-rates-death-va-coronavirus-patients-study-says/?outputType=amp
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-04-17/malaria-drugs-fails-to-help-coronavirus-patients-in-controlled-studies?_amp=true
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-evidence-hydroxychloroquine-does-not-help-treat-covid-19/amp
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/health/2020/04/21/hydroxychloroquine-study-results-coronavirus-cohen-vpx.cnn
Yeah, listening to a president/businessman talk medicine, is not in the best interest of the masses.
There ya go luv. There’s dozens more articles like these. -
2020-04-24 at 12:24 PM UTC
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2020-04-24 at 12:27 PM UTC
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2020-04-24 at 12:35 PM UTCI'd trust the Iranian one most - they have a genuine problem and no money, so no motivation to lie.
I'm pretty sure I read in Newsweek or some other pulp that back in the 90s Trump used to carry around a little UV hand disinfecting doo-dad, and would disinfect his hands after meeting people. He was also a prescription speed freak for at least part of the 90s as well. -
2020-04-24 at 12:36 PM UTCsofar, the one in the CNN thingie says this study disproving its efficacy was not randomized. So in other words it couldve very well been they gave the drug to the sickest patients who had severe damahe and were dying anyway.
Dontcare either way but in interest of being a nitpicky asshole,... -
2020-04-24 at 12:39 PM UTC
Originally posted by CASPER sofar, the one in the CNN thingie says this study disproving its efficacy was not randomized. So in other words it couldve very well been they gave the drug to the sickest patients who had severe damahe and were dying anyway.
Dontcare either way but in interest of being a nitpicky asshole,…
Originally posted by Technologist The last link is kinda sucky. But I can find many more.
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2020-04-24 at 12:42 PM UTCThe ScienceNews one says no statistically relevant reduction in deaths among those treated, but also cites a study that apparently found there was a strong prophylactic effect for money cells against the virus.
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2020-04-24 at 12:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by CASPER sofar, the one in the CNN thingie says this study disproving its efficacy was not randomized. So in other words it couldve very well been they gave the drug to the sickest patients who had severe damahe and were dying anyway.
Dontcare either way but in interest of being a nitpicky asshole,…
It was specified by the epidemiologist that the combination (of hydroxychloroquine and remdisavir) was only found to be effective in early stage disease, but that got turned into "Trump thinks fish tank cleaner cures corona, what a goof" by the media -
2020-04-24 at 12:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by CASPER The ScienceNews one says no statistically relevant reduction in deaths among those treated, but also cites a study that apparently found there was a strong prophylactic effect for money cells against the virus.
https://www.goodrx.com/blog/coronavirus-medicine-chloroquine-hydroxychloroquine-as-covid19-treatment/There have been no studies showing that these medications work for prevention.
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2020-04-24 at 12:54 PM UTCI don't think anyone's claimed it could prevent the disease, only that it could cure it or reduce severity if caught in the early stages
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2020-04-24 at 12:56 PM UTC
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2020-04-24 at 12:56 PM UTCTrump's "Cure of the day" is to get a sunburn and drink bleach.
