Originally posted by gadzooks
It's hard to take a firm position either way on the matter, because we have no instruments that can "detect/measure" subjective experience.
Listen dipshit, you have been babbling this the entire time and it is just making you look like a retard.
We already accept report to be a sign of consciousness in living beings. The very fact that you're talking about consciousness at all by making air waves through your mouth and a pattern of ATP discharges that actuate your keyboard means we have a genuine measuring instrument available. The entire point of this discussion at large is to figure out what aspect of that instrument leads to consciousness. We already have a for-sure "maximal" neural correlate of consciousness, it is the brain et al.
The way to test for consciousness is to take an approach similar to Integrated Information Theory, which tries to find what type of physical structures could support the phenomenological properties of consciousness, then proposes to test minimal neural correlates of consciousness (MNCCs) against the phenomenology.
One, in this framework you would test for a value called Phi to test for integration and "how conscious" a system is due to the level of integration. This is basically a test of how many interconnections each informational unit in a system is subject to. The conscious state is essentially just this state in any given instant.
Two, you can test it by using the accepted report hardware, the brain. This is actually a current area of neuroscience research. You can simply stimulate a particular set of neural structures and generate a conscious experience, then record report from the subject.
In fact we understand consciousness so well as an idea that researchers, a priori and from current neuroscience research and knowledge, and known principles were able to create a brand now optical illusion, never before practically or empirically observed until it was tested, and replicated.
That's how much predictive purchase we have over the concept already. I thought you were a psych major or some shit? Do you actually read any consciousness research literature or just jerk off to the conversation like anime nerds who have fantasy battles?