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Alan What?
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So what exactly does it mean that "we are all one"? I don't mean "give me an explanation", I mean what's the difference between that being a true or false proposition if it doesn't inform our moral judgments? It would seem if unity commits you to any tangible behaviour it would be some sort of duty to the other parts of whatever it is you propose we are parts of.
Morality is subjective. Therefore whether or not our connection with each other and our environment "informs your moral judgements" or not is a question you have to answer for yourself. I myself think our behavior should be based more on objective logic than on subjective morality. Tigers hunt because that is what they do, they don't make moral judgements about whether they should eat or starve or become vegetarians. Islam is invading the West with the goal of taking over and making the entire world Islamic. Is that moral? It doesn't matter, it's happening. If you think our connection with each other and our environment should commit us to specific behaviors, you clearly don't understand our connection. We are connected despite our behaviors, not because of them.
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Alan What?
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In another thread we discussed the concept of free will and the possibility that free will may not exist. It can be argued that free will is illusory, and if it is true that "free will" is illusory, it can also be argued that "the self" is illusory.
What is "the self"? Most people tend to think of the self as some interior essence that distinguishes a person from the world around them. But if you think about it, it's fairly obvious that you didn't just will those thoughts you are thinking right now anymore then you willed the words that I typed on this screen. Thoughts just arise in your mind. If the self is not really the author of your own thoughts, what is the self? If we suggest that the self is consciousness, then what is consciousness? A highly evolved sort of awareness, a highly evolved reaction to our environment. It appears to be perfectly reasonable to suggest that the environment is the cause of consciousness, for consciousness arose out of this environment and if there were no environment to be conscious of, what exactly would consciousness even consist of?
This sort of realization leads us away from an egocentric view of life, and that can be liberating. We are not truly separate. We are linked to each other, and to the world around us, throughout time and space. While you might not take credit for your talents it's still important that you use them. While you might not really be to blame for your weaknesses, it's still important to correct them. What is the value in pride and shame when it would be better to just commit to well being and the improvement of your life and others?
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Alan What?
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I think the whole point is to have both. We want to live in the mundane and access the extraordinary through technology. It's vicarious and within our control–we can adjust and abort as needed for our circumstances, and that makes it a safe way to explore possibilities that might not be immediately available.
I agree that it would be best to utilize both if possible, but the idea behind this thread was to explore the reasons why people would choose one over the other and what their choice really means, if anything.
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Alan What?
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I never even came close to implying that. If you were a little less zealous in your (increasingly racist, empty, and misinformed) rhetoric you'd have probably realized that. I'm simply pointing out that if you genuinely believed in human unity you would think you would have more sympathy for a group of people you supposedly believe are part of the same whole and who would reasonably have the same moral status as you or (other?) europeans.
So your response to (some) immigrants having a zealous belief in a one true god is to leave them all to a terrible fate so that you can spread your own one true message of maybe-unity?
The west has no obligation to these so-called "refugees". We are all one, and I don't just mean humans I mean everything, but I do not believe that implies we should just lay down and let these people invade our land and take over and spread their religion any more than it implies we should just lay down and let bacteria invade our bodies and take over and spread their disease.
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Alan What?
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Goes to show how little you actually understand what I mean when I speak about "spiritual unity".
From one perspective we are all united. From one way of looking at things, we are all connected, we are all one. IMHO there is no deeper spiritual feeling than what this realization brings to me.
Clearly not everyone has this same perspective. Some people believe they are chosen. Some people believe it is their duty to march over this world as they believe their "one true god" wants them to. They want to destroy your way of life.
I would love it if everyone could understand that we are all connected, that we are all connected to the world as well as to each other, but I don't believe that will happen today or tomorrow. And if we want to stick around and enjoy life and hopefully spread the message, we cannot lay down and let them walk all over us.
Do you honestly believe the millions of people invading the European Nations are going to integrate into Western society? Do you want to live in a world where women have to be covered and accompanied by a male relative when they leave the house so they don't get raped? Do you want to live in a world where you will be murdered for being a little queer? Because that is what will happen if you fail to protect the society our ancestors fought and died for, for us.
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Alan What?
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That's some vague ass bullshit and you're an idiot. You're also probably a 16 year old. Males prey on the weakness of females. That's nature. Go fuck a book or something.
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Alan What?
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I don't believe there is a specific age at which we magically becomes adults. Pedophiles prey upon people who have not yet matured to the point where they are capable of recognizing their own sexual orientation.
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Alan What?
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Like I said, I really don't care what you do. But you shouldn't just be sitting back and letting this happen. You say it's out of your control, but if you don't stand up now and take control into your own hand one day you might wake up in the New Middle East. Hope you like Islam because it's coming for you.
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Alan What?
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I'm not saying violence is the solution, but opening the gates and letting these illiterate, low IQ, backwards people who want the entire world to be muslim to walk across the border and literally take over your country isn't something you should be doing.
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Alan What?
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Germany is not the only country being affected by this invasion. If you think it's all good and nothing to worry about I really don't care, but all the people being raped and robbed and having their country taken from them won't agree with you. Native Europeans have already started to flee their countries to escape these invaders, abandoning everything their ancestors worked for. I wonder how long you really have.
