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2017-05-10 at 8:54 PM UTC in Your daily reminder.
Originally posted by RisiR † Depends on the model. Here in Germany it definitely isn't. I lose about 50% of my income to taxes. I used to buy 1g TPAIN for 10 bucks, now I only pay 5 but on the box it says 55,89. They claim that's what those pills are worth but hey I pay 24.7%(?) healthcare taxes so I only have to pay 5€ extra instead of the full price. That those 25% are about 1k and I could buy a fucking kilo 99% pure TPAIN with it is irrelevantt, right?
I mean I have to think about the other people who are also getting robbed instead of choosing freely what they do with their money, right? Like, for example all the Bill Krozbyes of the world and the 90 year olds on 12 machines in hospitals.
I don't disagree with you, or with Sophie for that matter. But it's kinda funny to see someone ranting on about how taxation is theft, yet they still pay their taxes and don't try to change anything. Like, what is the point in identifying with a particular philosophy online if you behave in a completely opposite way in real life? -
2017-05-10 at 7:57 PM UTC in Your daily reminder.
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2017-05-10 at 7:40 PM UTC in Your daily reminder.
Originally posted by Sophie They have no right to do shit, i never asked for any of this.
The point is i shouldn't fucking have to just to avoid being stolen from.
Don't be fucking coy with me. There is no fucking way for a single person to change the system. Also it's not impossible. here are some historical precedents that very closely resemble my ideal society.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#Historical_precedents_similar_to_anarcho-capitalism
And you know this how? Because you think so? Dank logic bro.
I never asked for any of this, it was forced on me, forcing someone to do something is always wrong, period.
The fact is you're not even listening to anything i am saying. What my ideal society would be is backed up by reasoning. And i already told you about "the system" and being forced to contribute to it.
I never asked for any of this either. However I understand that it's fair to contribute to a society that I receive benefits from. You choose to do the same. And no, if you were to choose not to contribute to the society you live in you probably should move. It isn't fair to everyone else that is contributing to that society.
Who says you have to change society all by yourself? If your position is correct it shouldn't be hard to convince the rest of society that you are correct. Then, all together, you change society. What is stopping you?
I never claimed to have any special knowledge. I imagine that in such a scenario big businesses and gangs would take over. Just like you imagine that wouldn't happen. It's up to you to convince the rest of us why your imagination is better.
Like I said earlier, you do have options. There is no literal gun to your head. You can move, change society, or deal with the consequences of not paying your taxes.
I am listening to you. I am open to what you have to say. Convince me that you are right and I will admit I am wrong. The fact is none of us chose to be where we are. You don't have to stay where you are. You can change it, accept it, or reject it and deal with the consequences. The fact that you have so far done nothing to change it and pay your taxes every year shows that you accept it, and if you accept it you must think that option is the most worthwhile option available to you. -
2017-05-10 at 6:26 PM UTC in Your daily reminder.They would have a right to attempt to arrest if you were benefiting from a system you were refusing to contribute to. You don't have to be part of their system. You can move somewhere else.
Why would you have to move to another country? Go live on a mountain. Go build a space station. Go live on a boat out at sea. Or hey, maybe you enjoy living where you are so much you could actively try to change the system, and make things better.
"The Government will always be the government," lol so are you saying your ideal society is impossible? The thing you don't think even exists will always exist? There is no way for it to work in reality? I think I agree with that because even if you managed to replace government with private companies, big business will eventually take over and become the new government.
Of course there should be consequences. Do you provide services and resources to other people for free? If you are benefiting from a system, is it not fair that you contribute to that system? If someone is benefiting from the system you contribute to without contributing anything themselves, wouldn't you want them to face consequences?
Your entire idea of what an ideal society should be is nothing but "imagine this" and "imagine that". The fact is that if you benefit from a system, it's only fair you contribute to that system. If you think the system is immoral it must be worth it to you to betray your moral philosophy, because you aren't doing anything to change it and continue to contribute to and support a system you believe is immoral. -
2017-05-10 at 6:04 PM UTC in Your daily reminder.
Originally posted by Sophie There is no question of "worth it" if i put a gun to your head and rob you of all you have and let you live in return would you say: "Lol that was worth it."
If i got to buy private security, or pay into a mutual security fund of course i would decide what i get to spend it on. Because A) nobody is making me buy private security and B) i can fire my private security and hire another firm if my security people fuck up, or spend my contribution in a way i don't agree with. Try firing the police.
Are you saying that wouldn't be worth it? That isn't exactly a good metaphor, because the tax man doesn't have a gun to your head. You have options. You could move, you could try to change the system, or you could deal with the consequences (they aren't very likely to kill you for tax evasion). But you have chosen year after year to just pay your taxes. That means it's worth it.
Imagine the gang already bought up/ eliminated all their competition. They are the only ones offering "protection ", and they don't let you have any say in how they spend their money. How would that be any better than your current system?
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2017-05-10 at 5:08 PM UTC in Your daily reminder.
Originally posted by Sophie Yet, i don't have a say in what my tax money is spent on. Would it be ok if i just came to your house grabbed 200 bucks out of your wallet bought food for you for 50 dollars, then proceeded to spend the rest of the money on whatever the fuck? Of course it would not be right for me to do so, even if i spent the 200 dollars entirely on you alone. Because i don't get to decide what is right for you and what you need nor did you ever consent to me taking the money in the first place. It is morally wrong.
It must be worth it to you though. If it wasn't worth it, you would either move somewhere else, try to change the system, or you would deal with the consequences of not paying.
Now if you got to decide to give your money to some gang claiming to offer you "protection" instead of paying taxes to a government, do you get to decide what they spend it on? -
2017-05-10 at 4:49 PM UTC in Your daily reminder.
Originally posted by Sophie I think doing my taxes is a small price to pay in order for the government to not fuck with me. But that doesn't make it right that the government would fuck with me if i didn't in the first place.
It wouldn't be right for you to benefit from a system you don't contribute to, either. As long as you are going to be a part of a society that provides services and benefits in exchange for your taxes, it seems only fair that you pay those taxes. -
2017-05-10 at 3:12 PM UTC in Your daily reminder.What are you less right about? I was just curious if you think taxes are worth it. Clearly you do, as you file your taxes every year and continue to do nothing to change that.
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2017-05-10 at 3 PM UTC in Your daily reminder.
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2017-05-10 at 2:06 PM UTC in Your daily reminder.
Originally posted by SCronaldo_J_Trump But the civilization doesn't even want me In it.
Everything I like is illegal and I'm a shut in junkie so fuck society its gay as fuck.
I'd rather be a mountain man or spaceman
What is stopping you? Why do you live in a city and go to work everyday if you would rather live on a mountain? -
2017-05-10 at 1:42 PM UTC in Your daily reminder.
Originally posted by SCronaldo_J_Trump Impossible in a globalist UN controlled earth and if you try to start your own space colony and survive by selling meteors with tonnes of drugs to earth for supplies they would probably justify killing you in space for not paying taxes too.
Right, I guess my point is to see if paying taxes is worth it. Would you rather do all that and end up getting killed in space, or would you rather just pay a tax and live in civilization? -
2017-05-10 at 1:33 PM UTC in Your daily reminder.
Originally posted by Sophie No because in a stateless society i would shoot him in the fucking face. It doesn't matter how many police officers i shoot the government is going to escalate until i comply or die.
Yep, but the people that work for what we call the government are real and so are their bullets.
You could always move to somewhere where you don't have to pay taxes. Are those your only options, move or die or pay taxes? I guess when it comes down to it, you value your life/area you live in more than you value your moral philosophy. -
2017-05-10 at 11:43 AM UTC in Your daily reminder.
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2017-05-10 at 10:42 AM UTC in Your daily reminder.
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2017-05-10 at 10:40 AM UTC in Your daily reminder.You must think it's worth it though, you said you file your taxes every year. I mean, you don't have to pay taxes. You could move somewhere else. But you must think it's worth paying taxes to live where you live and enjoy the benefits that come with that, otherwise you wouldn't be doing it every year, right? You must believe it is worthwhile, because if you were doing something everything single year that you didn't agree with morally and didn't think was worthwhile, year after year, well what would that say about you?
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2017-05-09 at 8:50 PM UTC in Having Neanderthal dna makes you superiorAre mules superior to horses?
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2017-05-09 at 8:11 PM UTC in Your daily reminder.
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2017-05-09 at 6:30 PM UTC in Your daily reminder.
Originally posted by Sophie Memes win hearts and minds.
No the government steals them directly at my employer, and the grocery store, and everything that has a levy, or sales tax or whatever on it.
So does mine but I still have to file my taxes once a year and usually I get a tax return. This doesn't happen in your country? -
2017-05-09 at 6:29 PM UTC in teh retraded thred herppppp slober fuk glum editshin
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2017-05-09 at 6:26 PM UTC in teh retraded thred herppppp slober fuk glum editshin
