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2018-01-11 at 12:38 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
Originally posted by Captain Falcon There is no reason to believe that an experience has anything more special than an arrangement of 1s and 0s.
A person's experience could be described using ones and zeros but I don't agree that is the same as having that person's conscious experience. That seems beyond the scope of this topic though, the point of which is that colour is something happening in your head and not out there in the world. I won't disagree with you if you want to claim that "red" or "blue" is a specific arrangement of one's and zeros so long as those ones and zeros refer to activity in a person's brain and not something floating up in the sky. -
2018-01-11 at 12:14 PM UTC in The Retarded Thread: Get Rekt, Faggot!
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2018-01-11 at 2:36 AM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
Originally posted by Lanny A hard-line physicalist would disagree, but I do happen to agree with that. But if I understand where this is going then we come back to the point of saying "look a rainbow!" does not have the same meaning as "I am having the experience of viewing a rainbow" as the former seems to pick out something in the world and the latter attempts to communicate an internal state.
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2018-01-11 at 2:31 AM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
Originally posted by Captain Falcon A materialist would argue that there is no such thing as "only existing in your mind". Scientifically and rationally, there is no reason to believe in a mind-body separation. What exists in the mind can also be described in physical terms. Such is the case for all concepts in a materialist worldview. Ultimately, all "concepts" are merely relationships between physical phenomena, and these relationships are also present only by virtue of their physical properties.
So colours don't exist "only in your mind" any more than electronic data exists "only in your SD card's mind". The relationship might be harder to describe than flash memory but it's not a special case.
The information on the flash drive is only ones and zeros until it is interpreted by a system and turned into a picture or a song. -
2018-01-11 at 2:29 AM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
Originally posted by Lanny That doesn't seem true at all. Mathematical objects don't seem to have any existence outside of minds but that doesn't really make them subjective.
Yeah ok, I guess you're right. Still, there is a difference between measuring and describing the activity in a persons brain, and actually having that persons conscious experience. -
2018-01-11 at 12:59 AM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
Originally posted by Captain Falcon Do I believe that the snakelion is a real creature outside my mind? No. Does the experience or idea exist in some physical or objective capacity? Sure!
If your point is that there is no arc made up of the qualia of colours then you're right but that is a fucking retarded point that makes no sense. Of course the qualitative content of colour is inside our mind (and perhaps our brain itself). That experience objectively exists, and the physical phenomenon that causes that experience objectively exists. What part of the rainbow, thus, does not objectively exist?
Things that only exist in your mind are called "subjective". -
2018-01-11 at 12:23 AM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
Originally posted by Captain Falcon And there is no evidence that the "mind" and it's products are outside of the purview of objective description.
Im not arguing that it is. If I mention a snake with a lions head, you are probably picturing one in your mind right now. Because your mind exists and is made of objective things, do you believe the lion-headed snake in your mind objectively exists? -
2018-01-10 at 11:44 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
Originally posted by Captain Falcon I didn't say it was. Read it again. You have to establish that colour, including the experience of colour, is not itself an objectively quantifiable phenomenon. Just because it feels that way doesn't make it so.
I never claimed otherwise. Only that colours only exist in our minds, therefore it's impossible for an arch of colours to exist in reality. Light exists in a variety of different frequencies. It takes an eye and a mind to convert those light waves into colour. -
2018-01-10 at 11:24 PM UTC in Music for tripping peopleWhy not try it all out and see what suits your mood?
I used to play a lot of GTA while tripping. When I started playing I used to hate a good 80% of the music on the radio stations in that game. After playing it while tripping many times I learned an appreciation for a much larger variety of music. Now I like it all. -
2018-01-10 at 11:18 PM UTC in That's it, I give up. I never wanted to be an outsider. :(Good luck!
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2018-01-10 at 11:15 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
Originally posted by Captain Falcon Well no, it might look entirely different for person A or person B. It's not currently known. That's not to say that it could actually be. We have no idea whether or not the supposedly qualitative content of our experiences is in fact entirely subjective.
A materialist would contest that since these experiences, to the best of our knowledge, are rooted in physical phenomena, they should be describable like physical phenomena, and thus it should be knowable what your "experience" of a particular colour is, and whether or not it is the same as mine is purely a matter of knowledge.
If we assume that this is not the case then you could make that contention. But you have to establish that idea first.
Colour is a function of the visual systems in our brains and not an intrinsic property of the objects we are viewing. A car is giving off light of a specific, objective wavelength that your visual system interprets as the colour red. However, your girlfriend may look at the car and see it as more of an orange colour. This is because men and women evolved to perceive colours slightly differently. Even individuals within the sexes will perceive colours slightly differently, because the specific wavelength of light the object is giving off is not a specific colour. -
2018-01-10 at 9:55 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
Originally posted by Captain Falcon But it's still dependent on the "noumenal" reality of the wavelength of light. Red is not blue because it is the wavelength of light required for our brain to read it as red.
But "red" can look entirely different for person A than for person B even when they are viewing the exact same wavelength of light because the colour they see is subjective experience dependent on how their brains interpret the information. -
2018-01-10 at 9:33 PM UTC in Do you believe in God?
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2018-01-10 at 9:33 PM UTC in Don't you just hate people who always know better?Yeah man.
"Obbe is dumb"
"Obbe is retarded"
"Philosophy for Insects"
"Wrong"
So it goes. -
2018-01-10 at 7:29 PM UTC in Do you believe in God?
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2018-01-10 at 7:28 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
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2018-01-10 at 7:25 PM UTC in The Retarded Thread: Get Rekt, Faggot!
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2018-01-10 at 7:18 PM UTC in Do you believe in God?It's more than a belief, it's a way of looking at the world differently. Some people would call it god. We are all connected, we are all divine beings, the self is an illusion.
But besides that way of looking at the world I do believe that given enough time and resources man will create a God. -
2018-01-10 at 7:12 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
Originally posted by Dissociator youre a fucking idiot. we know it exists because our eyes are capable of viewing the color spectrum, there are technologies that utilize light waves, lasers, certain microscopes, cameras even. just like we know particles exist, protons neutrons electrons, quarks, stars, galaxies, neural impulses, they are measurable existances
Specific wavelengths are not specific colours. A specific wavelength will appear to be a different colour for a woman than it appears to be for a man. Other creatures may percieve colours much differently than you do. Light exists in the physical world but colours only exist in your mind. -
2018-01-10 at 7:06 PM UTC in The Retarded Thread: Get Rekt, Faggot!
