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2017-07-18 at 1:17 AM UTC in OTC Methadone(-like) opioids AND (substituted)Amphetamine synthesis using novel C-C

Deprotonater Yung Blood

General rules of alternative Clendestine Chemistry, a "New Old" or "Russian" approach which can use
less concetrated,less pure substrated and rather 2-3x more steps of most basick quantitative and
well-known high-yielding methods rather than than maximum of 3-4 "more fancy" based on same
general template of couple of highly pecific Additions->some kind of Reduction->further complex,expensive and highly specific reaction (most ofthen some reduction or addition) utilizing non.verestaile dangerous substrates and Catalysts of very narrow use->one more specialized reaction like Reduction in general to trim down or
or add a final touch to molecule!

Instead,"New Old" approach follows chains of these these basic rules and their derivatives using only what we can got now or immediate future untill we got what we need:
of Acids,Bases,Alcohols,Ethers and Aryl/Ally/Alkyl Halogenes performing most simple reactions of foundamental of numerous possible additions,substitutions/eleminations of (Hydro)Halogenations,1°Amination and Alkylations with only OTC catalysts and co-reagents like MetalHalogenes,MetalOxide,(Alkaly)Metals INORGANIC Bases,their Halogen Salts,
Mineral Acids,Anhydrides,Halogens and Hydrohalog acids! WITHOUT ANY USE of improbable and impossible to find or pay rare/noble Element,their compounds adducts and hazardouse shit like liquid Ammonia,Amides and ustable/complex Nitrogen species (like amide,Hydrides,Organo-Metallic bases and salts and) and Aliphatic Carbons using more than 3 Carbons and more than 2 unsubstituted C+C bounds or more than one Oxigen species,resulting in umerous similar and complex reaction mechaninism that use tricky,dangerous and non-OTC catalysts(like Ketones,Aldehydes,Esters,Furanes,(Di)oxanes,Oxides,Oximes,Nitrates,Nitriles...)

Well,sounds pretty darn restricting,but whole point of this is to do more symilar but usualy opposite reactions,utilizing impossible to ban or restrict reactants and knowledges and building blocks:
(Any such regulation would do MUCH more dammage to economy in general than clndestine chemistry!)

For Example,traditional OTC reaction of preparing Methadone calls for use of simple NaOH/KOH instead of numerous crappy orgainc bases but at the same time requires Halogen-Propan-Amine that stop any such attempt dead in it's tracks using not that friendly nor smart to use cousings of mustard gas,and reactively non-selective Aziridinium Kation.

But here is MUCH more OTC method that uses only OTC reagents and OTC procedures::
1.)Instead of 2-chloro-1-dimethylpropane and it's structural isomeres forming Aziridine,where instead one can simple make:
Allyl Alcohol aka Prope-2-en-1-ol (H2C=CH-CH2-OH) using destructive distillation of Glcerine and Formic Acid (with some Fe2O3)
http://www.orgsyn.org/demo.aspx?prep=cv1p0042
Alkyl Halogen can be prepared by the same method non-purified product of above synthesis of AllylAlcohol using ecactly the same reaction one would use to make CloroEthane<BromoEthane<IodoEthane from coresponding Etanol, HX acid and acidic catalyst!
More stable R-Halogen species can be easily stored and in the end tranformed into best leaving group halogen trough Finkelstein Reaction (froming AllylIodide). There are numerous documented (and probably MUCH MUCH more undecomented combinations of solvent and Catalyst procedures to make probably near quantitative ammounts of desirable 2,2-Diphenyl-1-Prope-2-en Acetonitrile by reaction that claims the following:

Ph
I
CN-C-H + Cl-CH2-HC=CH2 --->(Solvated by "X",catalyzed by "Bases" and "X" further information on...
I
Ph Ph
I
...eiter reaction conditions,reaction intermediate,mechanism,yields or similar)---> CN-C-CH2-HC=CH2
I
Ph

+ NaBr + H2O + Proton probably a leftower from intermediate that is neutralized in the extraction)

FOR ALL USABLE REFERENCES OPEN HYPERLINKS [16,17,18 AND 19] OR for other bunch or usable lcendestine reactions pen from [11] to [22]
OF THE LINK : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_amide

Based on available evidence and (relatively scarce literature at the moment) I couldn't find any documented BETTER solvent/catalyst/Method other than combination of AllylBromide(maybe better leaving Iodide group with milder base or Chloride with strongest organic bases!) than damn anhyd. liquid NH3 as solvent reacting with Na and catlytic FerricNitrate to form in situ NaNH2 catalyst and further solvent addition/substitution by Et2O with some reflux and H2O followed by non-polar extraction and distillation!. I assume that some kind of more OTC method using either LiOH as simple innorganic Base or easy to make M-Alkoxide as catalyst and Polar Aprotic solvent like DMF/DMSO/CH3-CN can be used in this case but if available THF with some other "more appropriate/specialized" catalyst or Aromatic/Water bi-layer using heat,aezotrope formation and non solubility of by-products aided by combo of strong MOH Base
and Phase-Transfer-Catalyst "Quad" one can order on-line,might be border-linea-cceptable procedure at elevated temperature!

But in short,I HAVE NO IDEA about pecific reaction other than assuming general Sn2 following the same mechanism that IodoMethane or BromoEthane alkylation use,where terminal unsaturated and untouched C=C bound doesn't interact here at all. I was sure this is not possible using Aziridinium Kation intermediate but more I learned,less certain I am what exact mechanism actually is.
IF ANYONE KNOWS WHAT SOLVENT OTHER THAN PESKY NH3(L) AND OTHER CATALYST THAT ISNT AMIDE LIKE NaNH2 OR SIMILAR USTABLE CRAP IS UDESIRABLE!!!
DESIRABLE CATALYST IS EITHER READY TO USE LiOH/NaOH/KOH OR IN SITU FORMATION OF (Earth)AlkalyMetals+ R-OH-(aka. Alkoxides)

I othervise completely ignorant when it comes to use and iterchagebility of compley array of more compley bases like Organo-Alkyls,AlkalyMetal-Nitrogen and TetraOrganoAmmonium Halides!!!

ANY KIND OF HELP IS NEEDED!
NEXT STEP using Merkonikov HydroHalogenation to get spproprate b-Methyl isomere and further formation of amine using allmost same reaction as this one is following! Synthesis of substituted-Amphetamines(s) can also be done from the same reactions and their modifications!
Untill opening this chapthert,any further refferences and ideas how to do THIS REACTION IN PARTICULAR USING simpler Catalysts and better yielding METHODS is DESIRED GOAL,solvent being secondar as long as non-extremely toxic and more termally stable than NH3(L)!!!

2017-07-18 at 1:03 AM UTC in Deleted posts for: Deprotonater

Deprotonater Yung Blood

I don't do drugs.

2017-07-11 at 1:40 AM UTC in Deleted posts for: Deprotonater

Deprotonater Yung Blood

Originally posted by infinityshock its the things chicks keep in their bras.

How do i be one???!

2017-07-11 at 1:37 AM UTC in Deleted posts for: Deprotonater

Deprotonater Yung Blood

wots a tit

2017-07-11 at 1:37 AM UTC in Deleted posts for: Deprotonater

Deprotonater Yung Blood

Originally posted by Kinkou NAW. NO ONE ANSWRWED ME. MY CLIT ISNT DICK SHAPED BUT ITS NOT THE AVERAGE BULLSHIT HARD TO FIND SPOT

i answered ur just too dumb to understando.

2017-07-11 at 1:36 AM UTC in Deleted posts for: Deprotonater

Deprotonater Yung Blood

Originally posted by Kinkou TBH I would love to live in my car.

I'd let you sleep on my floor.

2017-07-11 at 1:33 AM UTC in Deleted posts for: Deprotonater

Deprotonater Yung Blood

Originally posted by NARCassist are you sure you're serious about becoming a TIT tho? being a TIT isn't a joke. people who are TITs devote their whole lives to being a TIT.

.

ill have what hes smoking.

2017-07-11 at 1:32 AM UTC in Deleted posts for: Deprotonater

Deprotonater Yung Blood

Originally posted by greenplastic also I'd like to add the isaac newton was an idiot who thought drinking poison would magically make him healthy and died because of it

he clearly had a low iq

its called building a tolerance faggot

2017-07-03 at 9:47 PM UTC in Deleted posts for: Deprotonater

Deprotonater Yung Blood

Originally posted by mmQ forest

forest carpet mannequin

Theater

Window Beer

2017-07-03 at 9:10 PM UTC in Deleted posts for: Deprotonater

Deprotonater Yung Blood

yeah I was going to say computer parts or cheap little sub$20 electronics

2017-07-03 at 9:09 PM UTC in Gating the Internet with other nets.??

Deprotonater Yung Blood

What exactly does this mean?.

2017-07-03 at 1:33 PM UTC in Deleted posts for: Deprotonater

Deprotonater Yung Blood

That sounds exactly like a man in the middle attack

Originally posted by -SpectraL Works fine for everyone else, so it's something to do with your device, not the site.

2017-07-03 at 11:32 AM UTC in Neat little article.

Deprotonater Yung Blood

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/08/how_to_take_ritalin_correctly.html

"I've written three textbook chapters and a couple of articles on stimulants, and I may or may not have taken them at one time or another, so I'm an expert.

Because I work in a university hospital, and because I'm, well, different, I get approached by college or med students at least once a week for Ritalin or amphetamine prescriptions. Every one claims to have "ADD." (NB: I don't give them out.)

They want the Ritalin to help them study. I get it. I'm not advocating it, but if you are going to use Ritalin you should probably do it intelligently, to maximize the gains.

First, a disclaimer: you should only get Ritalin for indicated disorders by prescription from a physician. Ok? Because the doctor will rigorously apply artificial and unreliable diagnostic categories backed up by invalid and arbitrary screens and queries to make a diagnosis. So after this completely subjective and near useless evaluation is completed, your doctor should be able to exercise prudent clinical judgment to decide if Ritalin could be of benefit. In other words, he will ultimately decide based on little else but his own prejudices and/or consult the Magic 8 Ball. That'll be $250, please. Cash appreciated.

That said, the key to amphetamines and Ritalin is to stop thinking of them as stimulants, and to think of them as reinforcers.

Let's conceptualize how these drugs work. Imagine getting a brain scan while you are performing a task. The parts of your brain you are using for the task will light up, brighter than those you aren't using.

Now you drink coffee (1). The whole brain lights up brighter, proportionally.
Now you take amphetamines. The parts of your brain that you are using light up brighter, but the parts you aren't using go darker. Get it? Caffeine is a global brain stimulant, while amphetamines focus your attention, reducing distraction.

This is entirely selective and controlled by you. You have to decide what you want to focus your attention on. If it's reading, the reading parts of your brain will be brighter. But if you stop reading and decide to talk to your friend on the phone, you know, the hot one with the hotter roommate, then you'll be more focused on that (obviously). Attention is always decreased when it is split among several tasks. In other words, you can only concentrate on one thing at a time, even though it may feel like you are doing two things at once.

While amphetamines and Ritalin do stimulate you and keep you awake, using them to pull an all nighter completely subverts their awesome power. If you want a stimulant, drink coffee or Red Bull. Amphetamines should be saved for reinforcement.

You want to set up a study situation that as closely as possible resembles your testing context. Do you take tests in the middle of the night? Using multicolored highlighters? With The Daily Show on in the background and eating Doritos? Then you're a pig, and you deserve to fail. You're dead to me.

You should study in the morning, at a desk, under the same "fed" conditions as on test day. (So you would have eaten before taking the test, not snacking at the test.) Quiet room, no distractions. Remember, attention is decreased with multiple stimuli in normal conditions, but on amphetamines, this will be be greatly magnified. Studying while talking to your friend means your "talking to friend" parts of the brain are brighter while your ""studying" parts of the brain are darker. Same thing with listening to music and studying.
Take the amphetamine (takes about 30 minutes to "kick in.") Study, straight, with no distractions or interruptions, for about four hours. Quit. You're done. Amphetamines give you about 4 hours tops of great concentration. Go to lunch, the gym, watch a movie, etc.

The power of amphetamines is this: you take them again, in the same dose, 30 minutes before your test.

In a metaphoric sense, taking the amphetamines during the test, under the same circumstances as you had been previously studying, will "remind" the brain of that context. If you see a question that "resembles" something you studied, your mind will be primed to recall it better.

Remember I said you can only concentrate on one thing at a time, that attention decreases when it is split? The trick here is to make everything about studying into one large "thing."

Here's an example: if you listen to a symphony, you will hear music. Musicians, however, hear both the music and every single instrument. They can attend to each instrument individually and simultaneously hear how each instrument fits into the larger context. A non-musician can't do that. If he's concentrating on the oboe, he doesn't "hear" the violas.

Studying has to become a large symphony, everything doing its part correctly, expectedly. So on performance day (testing) you play the same symphony. You're not trying to concentrate on each part, if you've practiced enough it should be second nature. The amphetamine helps facilitate this.

Addicts can get physical feelings of withdrawal or "high" simply by being presented with the cues-- the environment-- of their drug use. And they key into these cues much faster than non-drug related cues. That's what you're looking for here. The amphetamine feeling "reminds" you of what you studied.

For example, what you don't want to do is NOT take amphetamines at testing if you had used them to study; or take them at testing if you didn't use them to study. Or change the dosage, or change anything else you eat. (2)

Similarly, you should only be taking one pill a day. Don't take amphetamines to study AND later to do other things (like go out at night.) You are destroying the context specific reinforcement. Additionally, tolerance to amphetamines happens pretty quickly-- if you take them every day, you're going to need higher doses as time goes on. Ideally, you'd use them only for the last stretch of time before the test. For example, maybe you'd take them only the last week or so before the test, when you are studying from back tests as opposed to a textbook. (See the context?) And you'd stop using them after the test, give yourself a break, etc.

As a public service announcement, don't worry too much about grades. This is America, not Germany, where success is determined by the solidity of your goal and the amount you are willing to work. I know you don't believe it now, but it's true. Go have a drink."

2017-07-02 at 3:59 AM UTC in Why was this thread deleted?

Deprotonater Yung Blood

Then im gonna start saving everything in DIY, STEM, technology and living through chemistry because I don't trust it will be around much longer

There is some good links in those forums but not if its gonna get moved around.

2017-07-02 at 3:51 AM UTC in Why was this thread deleted?

Deprotonater Yung Blood

Oh the 30,000 posts or whatever?

That can't all be from the same person though can it?

2017-07-02 at 3:27 AM UTC in Why was this thread deleted?

Deprotonater Yung Blood

Hello I have been following the chemistry forum on this website and when I clicked a thread I saved in my bookmarks I noticed this one glitched out because it was moved from its original location to the deleted sub

this is the thread in question, there also doesn't seem to be an OP its a banned account

https://niggasin.space/thread/12445

2017-06-29 at 3:40 AM UTC in Deleted posts for: Deprotonater

Deprotonater Yung Blood

Seriously though you should really look into 3C-E.. possibly one of the easiest things I have ever synthesized, or maybe I just got lucky. Sure feels mystic, other worldly. I have never even tried one of the 2Cs but I feel like this is the correct path to be on.. I don't order anything online, my small group of friends makes everything ourself from the O-Methylated natural phenols and other similar starting components.

Basically everything Shulgin has ever made can be had from about 100 various starting components which can be bought legally unnwatched bulk OTC or made yourself if you really had to.

You really don't have to do any work though because its the future and you can order everything online if you are smart enough.

LOTS of synthetic mescaline floating around.. people are altering it in an attempt to stay legal.

2017-06-28 at 11:12 PM UTC in Deleted posts for: Deprotonater

Deprotonater Yung Blood

3C is even better

2017-06-25 at 8:34 PM UTC in Deleted posts for: Deprotonater

Deprotonater Yung Blood

Originally posted by Kinkou I don't eat hardly anything (because I'll gain weight) and I have blood pressure usually 90/60.

It sucks half blacking out nearly every time I stand up.

You should see a female health specialist you probably have something wrong with hormones/thyroid or both, it's very common among American women.

2017-06-25 at 8:33 PM UTC in Identification and Research of Novichok Agents

Deprotonater Yung Blood

There are potent nerve agents that have no standard unit of measure anywhere in the world, they are largely unknown which is what makes them so deadly, how can you defend against something you barely understand?.

The possibilities of G agents are thus limited, due to their relatively simple structure. In V agents, there are larger possibilities, particularly when changing the O-ester and thiocholine group, but even in this case, no compounds more toxic than VX or R-33 have been found.

A further possibility is the synthesis of compounds based on mutual combinations of certain structural elements of G and V agents and possibly the introduction of certain new functional groups into the molecule. It is possible to believe that this approach was employed in the synthesis of the substances (A-230, A-232, A-234) of the Soviet binary program, NOVICHOK. The principle of these substances is, however, secret, and the admissible data are controversial. According to American sources, these are phosphorylated oximes from the group of O-chloro(fluorocarbiminoyl-O-[(2-chloro-1,2-dialkyl)ethyl]phosphorofluoridates

Possibly more properly informed Russian sources report that the substance, A-230, is a liquid and stable methyl-{N-[1-(diethylamino)ethylidene]amido}phosphonofluoridate, the intravenous and percutaneous toxicity of which exceeds the toxicity of the VX by a factor of five to eight. Over several years, scientists synthesized more than a hundred structural variants of the substance, A-230, and tested them systematically. They also prepared its phosphate methoxy- and ethoxy-derivatives marked by the codes, A-232 and A-234. The toxicity of both substances is reportedly comparable with that of VX, but compared to the substance, A-230, they are less volatile and resistant to moisture. Ultra-toxic solid derivatives have also been reportedly synthesized, having a guanidine radical instead of the amidine one (substances A-242 and A-262)

The Novichok series discovered by Petr Kirpichev and his team in Shikhany, was a huge breakthrough for CW development in Russia. They were a new series of chemical agents with the P-N bond instead of a P-S- bond. At first he synthesized agent A-230. Medical biological assessment of this agent was performed at the polygon and laboratories of Military Unit 61469, and it produced positive results with a toxicity 5 to 8 times greater than Agent 33. Then Kirpichev synthesized the phosphate version of A-230 – Agent A-232 with the same toxicity as Agent 33 but more volatility than the later and Agent A-230. Agents A-232 and A-234 are phosphates, which are not listed in the CWC list of chemicals subject to international control

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=7639

The novichok reaction is the "Allen Reaction" between two moles of a trialkyl posphite and one molea beta-trihalonitroalkane, the most familiar such compound being trichloronitromethane, (chloropicrin) Cl3CNO2. The much less familiar nitroso compound Cl3CNO also works. There are some constraints on the choice of substituents.

1. One of these must be chlorine, this is what attacks phosphorus initially.

2. The others may be Cl, Br, F or a psuedohalogen e.g. -CN. These are the substituents that remain in the oxime ester side chain. These may be identical or different.

The product is an exime ester of a dialkyl, dialkoxy, alkyl halo, or alkoxyhalophosphate.
The preparation of the chloropicrin and analogs is well known.

The most convenient prep of trichloronitrosomethane is one starting from trichloromethyl sulfenyl chloride, also known as perchloromethyl mercaptan, the familiar product of chlorination of CS2 with dry chlorine in diffuse light.

This is oxidized to trichloromethylsulfonyl chloride according to the procedure of Prandl and coworker in Ber., 62 1752, (1929). A technical grade of this may be available from Eastman Kodak.

The sulfonyl chloride is reduced with sodium in ethanol by the technique of Prandle and coworker in Ber. 65 (1932). The product is sodium trichloromethylsulffinate.

The procedure described in same peper for preparing the trichloronitrosomethane, a deep blue liquid, from the sodium salt of the trichloromethylsulfinic acid is simple but causes some thermal decomposition and also produces a product not free from water.

The same salt can be reacted in the cold with nitrosyl chloride in liquid phase, under autogenous pressure, the reaction being complete when the mixture is allowed to warm to O C. This procedure is detailed in a paper by Suttcliffe in JACS 79 3071 (1975). The anhydrous trichloromethylnitrosomethane is well suited for use directly in the Allen reaction.

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_AD0052118

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