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  1. #61
    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Doesn't sound like a very smart and experienced guy then does he…putting the flesh before the soul.

    Adam was perfect, but he had free will. Every human, no matter how good or bad, has free will. God has given people a choice.
  2. #62
    Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Adam was perfect, but he had free will. Every human, no matter how good or bad, has free will. God has given people a choice.

    Obviously not perfect if he was easily duped into going against gods will by a bit of tit and an apple.
  3. #63
    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Obviously not perfect if he was easily duped into going against gods will by a bit of tit and an apple.

    He wasn't duped in the least. He made a conscious decision, knowing all the facts. Even a perfect person can decide to make a bad choice.
  4. #64
    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    Adam banged his own rib, what a degenerate
  5. #65
    Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Even a perfect person can decide to make a bad choice.

    Now that doesn't make any sense does it...if you make a bad choice knowing all the facts, you're not perfect.
  6. #66
    Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Adam was perfect, but he had free will. Every human, no matter how good or bad, has free will. God has given people a choice.

    If god gave them the choice then it's not free will, it's God's will...he gave it to them.
  7. #67
    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Now that doesn't make any sense does it…if you make a bad choice knowing all the facts, you're not perfect.

    You're perfect right up until the moment you decide to become imperfect.
  8. #68
    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson If god gave them the choice then it's not free will, it's God's will…he gave it to them.

    If God didn't give them free will, people would blame God for being a tyrant.
  9. #69
    jerryb African Astronaut
    Eve had the booty, lots of great men brought down because they loved dat ass.
  10. #70
    Adam and Eve must have existed in a different state than we do. They possibly lived in the 4th dimension, or higher. The evidence for that is, once they rebelled against God, they became aware they were naked. That must mean they didn't know they were naked before. And the only way you wouldn't know you were naked is if your state of being was somehow different.
  11. #71
    Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ You're perfect right up until the moment you decide to become imperfect.

    A perfect being would never make a mistake.
  12. #72
    Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ If God didn't give them free will, people would blame God for being a tyrant.

    How so? It's the fact God did give them freewill that makes him a tyrant...because it wasn't really free will, it was HIS will.

    If I give you an apple pie and a blueberry pie...it's still my choice because you don't have a peach cobbler to choose...true free will wouldn't have ANY constraints...the 10 commandments are constraints.

    "you have free will except if you do this..."
  13. #73
    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson A perfect being would never make a mistake.

    It's not a mistake. It's deliberate.
  14. #74
    Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ It's not a mistake. It's deliberate.

    If there are negative consequences and contrary to what your god told you, it's a mistake...

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    mis·take
    noun
    noun: mistake; plural noun: mistakes

    an action or judgment that is misguided or wrong.
  15. #75
    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson If there are negative consequences and contrary to what your god told you, it's a mistake…

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    mis·take
    noun
    noun: mistake; plural noun: mistakes

    an action or judgment that is misguided or wrong.

    You can choose to do wrong, already knowing all the facts. That's what free will is all about.
  16. #76
    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson A perfect being would never make a mistake.

    Oh fug HERE WE GO

    The argument is that humans are the ones making the mistake, God doesn't. We are the ones that don't get it, and need to follow God. The evidence is about 10 billion bible verses but if you read ALL bibles and know God is Chinese than this becomes less "clear", I don't disagree with the theory

    "God Readjusts the Thinking of His People"


    Some persons, however, object to changes in viewpoint, changes in understanding of certain scriptures or procedures. For example, since the 1940’s Jehovah’s witnesses have refused to give or accept blood transfusions, whereas prior to that they did not take this position. Since 1962 they understand the “superior authorities” of Romans 13:1 to be the rulers of worldly governments, whereas up to that time, since 1929, they had held a different viewpoint. Other examples could be cited. Does this show that Jehovah’s witnesses do not have the truth? Does this bring into question the basic principles of their teachings?

    Not at all. Jehovah’s witnesses do not claim infallibility. They are being taught by God. (Isa. 54:13) Never will they know all things, but they will continually be learning from the inexhaustible wisdom of God as they walk in his truth.

    If you believe in a little bit of the bible like a passive "half measure" christian , their argument is hard to "disprove" as it's somewhat circular and doesn't reeaaallly claim anything, kinda like daoism.

    Briefly stated, this Catholic teaching is said to rest on the following theological conclusions: that Christ founded his church, not on himself, but on Peter; that Peter was the first pope of the Catholic Church; that authority and infallibility passed from Peter to successors; that early tradition and Church history support the claim in principle; that these conclusions are confirmed by this terrible sanction imposed by the Church: “All who refuse to assent to her teaching are threatened with eternal damnation.”

    But it rests all on scripture , each "fork" of christianity has slightly different translations too. It really only "makes sense" if you ignore a lot of history and theory from other religions because those concepts can't be as easily linked to one specific thought.

    Like the Chinese have pretty much always believed in the concept of a "Heavens" long before christians, and not from jedis, they just formed the idea something social brain something
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1972605


    if you really wanna fuck with a JW, bring up this shit
  17. #77
    Originally posted by That forum guy that helps you understand sarcasm Oh fug HERE WE GO

    The argument is that humans are the ones making the mistake, God doesn't.

    God doesn't exist, nor does the perfect being...it's a hypothetical discussion...and hypothetically both human and god made/make mistakes.
  18. #78
    The human brain is much more than just a mass of tissue. It is a super-computer with extraordinary powers. Like a receiver/transmitter, it has the ability to communicate directly with the Matrix, able to recognize, block and change code there. As Jesus said; "If you have faith the size of a mustard seed (which is the smallest of all seeds) you could say to this mountain 'move from here to there', and it would move." The human brain literally has the capability to move entire mountains, physically, entirely within this dimension. However, the capability has been blocked for most, at this moment in time.
  19. #79
    Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ As Jesus said; "If you have faith the size of a mustard seed (which is the smallest of all seeds)

    /snip

    Mustard seeds are not the smallest

    "Orchids
    Orchids have the smallest seeds in the world and they produce millions of them"

    You'd figure the son of God would know that wouldn't you...another mistake or just proof of the fairytale?
  20. #80
    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson God doesn't exist, nor does the perfect being…it's a hypothetical discussion…and hypothetically both human and god made/make mistakes.

    it's all pretty esoteric and I don't like traditional religious scholary stuff that assumes the book is like some divine internet, it's fucking not , READ MORE

    read all bibles. God is Chinese, clearly.

    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson /snip

    Mustard seeds are not the smallest

    "Orchids
    Orchids have the smallest seeds in the world and they produce millions of them"

    You'd figure the son of God would know that wouldn't you…another mistake or just proof of the fairytale?

    is that the word used in the hebrew scrolls?
    yeah flower seeds and clover I would say are the smallest i've seen.. religious interpretations are kinda skitzo but try to come off as historical which, yes these people did exist and say this stuff, like Joseph Smith who I suspect took psychedelics but never told anyone

    because he knew they would never believe him lawl
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