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    Probably one of the most discussed topics of today is climate change. Of course it is subject to many different opinions, so here is the fact: global warming is real, but it's not how they say it is.

    1. We are merely at the end of the last ice age.
    - Ice ages have actually not much to do with small scale endoplanetary phenomenons, but more with astronomy. The width of a planet's orbital ellipse changes overtime as does the planets momentum thanks to the gravity from other celestial bodies. Ice ages occur when the ellipse widens and the planet's distance from it's host star increases.

    The temperatures then normalize as the ice age dies out. This is a very slow process however.

    2. It has not so much to do with fossil fuels, but their discovery does imply an indirect impact.

    The use of fossil fuels and the development of industry coincided with the acceleration of global warming, but why?

    There is a previous known incident related to climate change and human activity, which most can relate to:

    Noah's flood.
    Original tales o the incident appear simultaneously all around ancient India, Mesopotamia and Egypt although there might be others too.
    The story goes that humans had multiplied so much and done so much evil in the earth that the Gods decided to put a stop to it by sending droughts, famines and plagues, but humans found ways to overcome them every time, until finally the Gods decided to just fucking flood the Earth and sink all their cities to drown them all.

    That, together with the fact that most ancient settlements are surrounded by deserts is an obvious clue to what really happened: human settlements deforested their entire surroundings for building materials and firewood and to make farmlands and build their cities. Vegetation absorbs solar energy and evaporated water, but clay and stone turn solar energy into heat. The consequential heat wave caused a massive melting of the ice on the mountains creating a huge discharge that destroyed everything near the rivers and seas.

    In modern days, industry powered by petrol and coal brought power tools and tractors and cranes etc, making development much faster and allowing or cities to thrive and grow. As the cities grow, greater areas of the planets surface are transformed into asphalt and concrete, which by itself produces more heat from the energy it recieve from the sun than all cars and factories combined.

    3. The importance of vegetation

    A study performed by engineers in eastern Europe and published under the title "Water for the Recovery of the Climate" shows in detail the difference in temperatures of the surfaces of the street, ceilings, grasslands and areas of dense vegetation which makes clear the amount of heat energy produced by every hour of solar exposure per sqared meter of asphalt and the amount of solar every consumed by permeable soil and vegetation to evaporate 1 cubic metre of water, and demonstrates the importance of vegetation as the planets temperature regulation system.
    I'm sorry to be unable to provide any material from the document itself but it's available for free in the internet.
  2. #2
    infinityshock Black Hole (banned)
    - climate change is a fact. its cause is a myth. the fact is, no one knows the reason why the planets various climactic conditions of all types 'changes'...including temperature, atmospheric gas content, precipitation of all types, and other variables that stupid humanity doesnt even know about or grasp. the goddam planet didnt come with a thermostat...it does whatever the fuck it wants.

    - i enjoy getting into debates, both online and in RL, about how 'earth has never been this hot' or 'had this much CO2' then point out that various evidence (ice core samples, trapped gasses in various places, animal fossils, historical geological excavations) shows that earth has been much hotter and had much higher levels of CO2. remember when there were 3-foot long dragonflys and plants more massive than the ones today? no...because humanity has been on this planet for a minute fraction of the planets existence and has no idea what is normal. the only normal on this planet is the lack thereof.

    - if 'global warming' was such a big deal then the motivation would be to end then repair the situation. instead, every solution to 'global warming' involves money transfers, payments of some sort, or costs. that does not solve the problem...that makes one group wealthy and other group poor. in other words...transfers wealth between one group to another.

    - every 'green' excuse is nothing more than a poorly veiled effort to remove money from a certain class of people and transfer it to another. examples are: recycling trash pickup, 'green' cars/transportation of any sort, use of recycled material in consumer products, doing 'x' in an effort to conserve 'y'...with 'y' being any resource, such as water, electricity, wood, metal, ad infinitum.

    - al gore is a piece of shit, know-nothing, worthless shill

    - 'the great flood' can only be considered a myth...with the coincidental mentioning by many ancient religions being evidence of some sort of flood event, with no proof to its extent. ancient writings about such things are known to lack high degrees of accuracy. the full extent of evidence (as yet discovered historic evidence, archaeological evidence, religious notations) does not provide enough information to provide any semblance of a valid deduction.
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    snab_snib African Astronaut
    the relevant question, is who CARES about global warming? it's literally unimportant. america will actually come out of global warming better off.
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    Originally posted by infinityshock - climate change is a fact. its cause is a myth. the fact is, no one knows the reason why the planets various climactic conditions of all types 'changes'…including temperature, atmospheric gas content, precipitation of all types, and other variables that stupid humanity doesnt even know about or grasp. the goddam planet didnt come with a thermostat…it does whatever the fuck it wants.

    - i enjoy getting into debates, both online and in RL, about how 'earth has never been this hot' or 'had this much CO2' then point out that various evidence (ice core samples, trapped gasses in various places, animal fossils, historical geological excavations) shows that earth has been much hotter and had much higher levels of CO2. remember when there were 3-foot long dragonflys and plants more massive than the ones today? no…because humanity has been on this planet for a minute fraction of the planets existence and has no idea what is normal. the only normal on this planet is the lack thereof.

    - if 'global warming' was such a big deal then the motivation would be to end then repair the situation. instead, every solution to 'global warming' involves money transfers, payments of some sort, or costs. that does not solve the problem…that makes one group wealthy and other group poor. in other words…transfers wealth between one group to another.

    - every 'green' excuse is nothing more than a poorly veiled effort to remove money from a certain class of people and transfer it to another. examples are: recycling trash pickup, 'green' cars/transportation of any sort, use of recycled material in consumer products, doing 'x' in an effort to conserve 'y'…with 'y' being any resource, such as water, electricity, wood, metal, ad infinitum.

    - al gore is a piece of shit, know-nothing, worthless shill

    - 'the great flood' can only be considered a myth…with the coincidental mentioning by many ancient religions being evidence of some sort of flood event, with no proof to its extent. ancient writings about such things are known to lack high degrees of accuracy. the full extent of evidence (as yet discovered historic evidence, archaeological evidence, religious notations) does not provide enough information to provide any semblance of a valid deduction.


    I never mentioned Al-Gore and habe actually no idea about what his opinions on the matter were.

    Evidence of great global flood coinciding with the time on which Noahs flood is accounted to have happened in the Bible (10,000 years ago) has been found in the recent years particularily at excavations in Niniveh, Warka and other archeological sites in Iraq. substrate excavations showed a layer of only sand and clay sandwiched between two layers with evidence of vegetation and remnants of pottery, indicating that the region had been densely inhabited but was suddenly abandoned somewhere around 10000 years ago and reoccupied 3000 thosand years later. the only possible reason for such event is a natural disaster that devastated the region. Moreover, studies from historical accounts tell of a successsion of cities that were built and abandoned. The oldest surviving settlements are nearest onto the sea than the younguer ones, and many cities are mentioned to be chronologically older than any of the ones whose ruins still survive, the ordering of which in relation to the others indicates that these must now be underwater. the post-flood cities that were lost to the sea worldwide is the origin to the stories about Atlantis, the mythical ancient city lost to the sea.

    the reason for the acceleration in climate change, as I just mentioned, is the urban sprawl, that basically is turning larger and larger areas of the planet's surface into a solar oven, whereas a vforested area would cancel out the solar energy by evaporation of the vegetations water
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    Atmospheric CO2 levels have doubled since the beginning of the industrial revolution, coincidence? I think not!
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    snab_snib African Astronaut
    Originally posted by Being and Nothingness Atmospheric CO2 levels have doubled since the beginning of the industrial revolution, coincidence? I think not!

    it's just as likely a coincidence.
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    infinityshock Black Hole (banned)
    Originally posted by Anal Scratch Hemorrage I never mentioned Al-Gore and habe actually no idea about what his opinions on the matter were.

    Evidence of great global flood coinciding with the time on which Noahs flood is accounted to have happened in the Bible (10,000 years ago) has been found in the recent years particularily at excavations in Niniveh, Warka and other archeological sites in Iraq. substrate excavations showed a layer of only sand and clay sandwiched between two layers with evidence of vegetation and remnants of pottery, indicating that the region had been densely inhabited but was suddenly abandoned somewhere around 10000 years ago and reoccupied 3000 thosand years later. the only possible reason for such event is a natural disaster that devastated the region. Moreover, studies from historical accounts tell of a successsion of cities that were built and abandoned. The oldest surviving settlements are nearest onto the sea than the younguer ones, and many cities are mentioned to be chronologically older than any of the ones whose ruins still survive, the ordering of which in relation to the others indicates that these must now be underwater. the post-flood cities that were lost to the sea worldwide is the origin to the stories about Atlantis, the mythical ancient city lost to the sea.

    the reason for the acceleration in climate change, as I just mentioned, is the urban sprawl, that basically is turning larger and larger areas of the planet's surface into a solar oven, whereas a vforested area would cancel out the solar energy by evaporation of the vegetations water

    regardless...al gore is the poster child for the global warming scam, earning himself a place in my derision

    evidence my ass...the same archeological evidence showing noahs ark being in turkey, that was later determined to be a sham? like i said...there is evidence of some sort of flood event with no evidence of its extent or degree of affect on then-existing human civilization.

    you dont know the reason for the climate. no one does. anyone that claims to know the who-what-where-or-why is either intentionally lying or mentally incompetent.
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    infinityshock Black Hole (banned)
    Originally posted by snab_snib it's just as likely a coincidence.

    what were the CO2 levels a few hundred thousand years ago? a few million years ago?

    eggzactly.
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    Originally posted by infinityshock evidence my ass…the same archeological evidence showing noahs ark being in turkey, that was later determined to be a sham? like i said…there is evidence of some sort of flood event with no evidence of its extent or degree of affect on then-existing human civilization.

    you dont know the reason for the climate. no one does. anyone that claims to know the who-what-where-or-why is either intentionally lying or mentally incompetent.

    The alleged Noah's ark in Turkey was merely a rock formation with the shape of a ship's hull, which by reason of coincidence was in the same area as the story claims Noah's ark had ended, which excavation proved wrong straight ahead.
    The evidence of a flood decimating half of mesopotamia and destroying human settlements is concise and documented and proven to be authentic and valid.
    I've studied it professionally, you dipshit. You like to pretend to know things that you dont, and you happen t obe such an outstanding idiot you want to tell a professional that you know better on the topic of his research, on matters on which you've never even tried to skim through or know shit about and you are still such a pretentious idiot that you insist even after we have posted or cited evidence which proves you wrong. Get out of my threads, idiot.
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    snab_snib African Astronaut
    Originally posted by infinityshock what were the CO2 levels a few hundred thousand years ago? a few million years ago?

    eggzactly.

    way higher? highly variable within longer ranges than we're basing our predictions on?
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    infinityshock Black Hole (banned)
    Originally posted by Anal Scratch Hemorrage The alleged Noah's ark in Turkey was merely a rock formation with the shape of a ship's hull, which by reason of coincidence was in the same area as the story claims Noah's ark had ended, which excavation proved wrong straight ahead.
    The evidence of a flood decimating half of mesopotamia and destroying human settlements is concise and documented and proven to be authentic and valid.
    I've studied it professionally, you dipshit. You like to pretend to know things that you dont, and you happen t obe such an outstanding idiot you want to tell a professional that you know better on the topic of his research, on matters on which you've never even tried to skim through or know shit about and you are still such a pretentious idiot that you insist even after we have posted or cited evidence which proves you wrong. Get out of my threads, idiot.

    your keyboard sloberings mean absolutely nothing and have less credibility than that nigger jayson blair. case in point...you trying to pass off as references in that mexican apache helicopter thread that 'news' article which was, in fact, a pure speculation piece with zero factuality. as long as we're on that thread...you also mentioned something about arabs and vikings being the first to have their soldiers use drugs, and something about arabs being the first to make alcohol. welllll mr professional dipshit...soldiers were using drugs far further back in history than the vikings and arabs (opium). and evidence of alcohol use was found in china long before the a-rabs decided to become alkies. i didnt even reply to that post because your idiocy was so idiotic it wasnt even worth my time to reply.

    nothing i post is pretending. youre more than welcome to verify the accuracy via google or whatever other source you desire.

    its obvious you know nothing about what i know...especially when it comes to the flood event. yea, many religious texts and historic documents reference some sort of flood event. we both agree on that. they all have virtually nothing in common other than there being a lot of water...which is not surprising considering the authors may have been slightly smarter and more conniving than the writhing masses at the time, they are veritable retards when compared to someone from modern times. what their actual intentions are, it will most likely never be known, but its obvious they adjusted the story that they heard to suit their own needs when they passed it on. during a time when the majority of the human population never went further than a few miles from their home and never met any other humans from anywhere outside of this geographic area...its no surprise that information exchange was limited. the first documented source of a flood is akkadian HOWEVER it is known that before it was written, it was passed on as oral tradition. how long before being written down for posterity was it known? fuck, it could have been 10,000 years ago as a result of giant glaciers melting and flooding them...it could have been some perfectly natural precipitation event that dumped a little more water than normal (california this week?)...it could have been a fucking drizzle considering how little rain that area gets. (altho, i dont know what the weather/precipitation patterns were back 6,000 years ago...it could have been a veritable monsoon for all i know.) the middle east may have evidence of a flood event but considering the virtually infinity possibilities as an explanation for this event, theres no way to tell if it was localized only in the area that was capable of written communications...or if every square inch of the earths surface was submerged. and, what about human populations that werent didnt have the written alphabet?

    go ahead...keep posting stupid shit, and im going to pick it apart to show everyone else what a clueless idiot you are.

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    infinityshock Black Hole (banned)
    Originally posted by snab_snib way higher? highly variable within longer ranges than we're basing our predictions on?

    eggzactly
  13. #13
    Originally posted by infinityshock your keyboard sloberings mean absolutely nothing and have less credibility than that nigger jayson blair. case in point…you trying to pass off as references in that mexican apache helicopter thread that 'news' article which was, in fact, a pure speculation piece with zero factuality. as long as we're on that thread…you also mentioned something about arabs and vikings being the first to have their soldiers use drugs, and something about arabs being the first to make alcohol. welllll mr professional dipshit…soldiers were using drugs far further back in history than the vikings and arabs (opium). and evidence of alcohol use was found in china long before the a-rabs decided to become alkies. i didnt even reply to that post because your idiocy was so idiotic it wasnt even worth my time to reply.

    nothing i post is pretending. youre more than welcome to verify the accuracy via google or whatever other source you desire.

    its obvious you know nothing about what i know…especially when it comes to the flood event. yea, many religious texts and historic documents reference some sort of flood event. we both agree on that. they all have virtually nothing in common other than there being a lot of water…which is not surprising considering the authors may have been slightly smarter and more conniving than the writhing masses at the time, they are veritable retards when compared to someone from modern times. what their actual intentions are, it will most likely never be known, but its obvious they adjusted the story that they heard to suit their own needs when they passed it on. during a time when the majority of the human population never went further than a few miles from their home and never met any other humans from anywhere outside of this geographic area…its no surprise that information exchange was limited. the first documented source of a flood is akkadian HOWEVER it is known that before it was written, it was passed on as oral tradition. how long before being written down for posterity was it known? fuck, it could have been 10,000 years ago as a result of giant glaciers melting and flooding them…it could have been some perfectly natural precipitation event that dumped a little more water than normal (california this week?)…it could have been a fucking drizzle considering how little rain that area gets. (altho, i dont know what the weather/precipitation patterns were back 6,000 years ago…it could have been a veritable monsoon for all i know.) the middle east may have evidence of a flood event but considering the virtually infinity possibilities as an explanation for this event, theres no way to tell if it was localized only in the area that was capable of written communications…or if every square inch of the earths surface was submerged. and, what about human populations that werent didnt have the written alphabet?

    go ahead…keep posting stupid shit, and im going to pick it apart to show everyone else what a clueless idiot you are.



    Originally posted by infinityshock your keyboard sloberings mean absolutely nothing and have less credibility than that nigger jayson blair. case in point…you trying to pass off as references in that mexican apache helicopter thread that 'news' article which was, in fact, a pure speculation piece with zero factuality. as long as we're on that thread…you also mentioned something about arabs and vikings being the first to have their soldiers use drugs, and something about arabs being the first to make alcohol. welllll mr professional dipshit…soldiers were using drugs far further back in history than the vikings and arabs (opium). and evidence of alcohol use was found in china long before the a-rabs decided to become alkies. i didnt even reply to that post because your idiocy was so idiotic it wasnt even worth my time to reply.

    nothing i post is pretending. youre more than welcome to verify the accuracy via google or whatever other source you desire.

    its obvious you know nothing about what i know…especially when it comes to the flood event. yea, many religious texts and historic documents reference some sort of flood event. we both agree on that. they all have virtually nothing in common other than there being a lot of water…which is not surprising considering the authors may have been slightly smarter and more conniving than the writhing masses at the time, they are veritable retards when compared to someone from modern times. what their actual intentions are, it will most likely never be known, but its obvious they adjusted the story that they heard to suit their own needs when they passed it on. during a time when the majority of the human population never went further than a few miles from their home and never met any other humans from anywhere outside of this geographic area…its no surprise that information exchange was limited. the first documented source of a flood is akkadian HOWEVER it is known that before it was written, it was passed on as oral tradition. how long before being written down for posterity was it known? fuck, it could have been 10,000 years ago as a result of giant glaciers melting and flooding them…it could have been some perfectly natural precipitation event that dumped a little more water than normal (california this week?)…it could have been a fucking drizzle considering how little rain that area gets. (altho, i dont know what the weather/precipitation patterns were back 6,000 years ago…it could have been a veritable monsoon for all i know.) the middle east may have evidence of a flood event but considering the virtually infinity possibilities as an explanation for this event, theres no way to tell if it was localized only in the area that was capable of written communications…or if every square inch of the earths surface was submerged. and, what about human populations that werent didnt have the written alphabet?

    go ahead…keep posting stupid shit, and im going to pick it apart to show everyone else what a clueless idiot you are.

    Just as you said, yeah the flood couldve been localized. amd most likely it was. and probably it was more than just one, regardless of what time it were. Geological evidence does show just that. several regions were devastated by more than just one flood, several times on different years. the whole Noah (ziuzudra) thing was merely a fable told orally that mostly meant that some dude decided to get into a boat to avoid drowning. The story seems to have originated around the 7th millenia b.CE. writing was developped 4000 years later by the summerians and assyrians but the story was already viral among all the cultures that habitated mesopotamia. Assyrians, sumerians, akkadians, hitites, persites, elamites, among others.
    By the way, people did travel quite a lot. There is proof that they travelled all the way from eastern europe to egypt, syria, persia, and almost as far as india, although it is most unlikely that the same person would ever travel all those, but there is evidence in their literatutre and lore that they shared influences from all around the places I just mentioned. Evidence of this is most clear in their mythology, which is outstandingly similar from Egypt to Iran; and the cultural deal about sexuality, marriage and the role of women in society which the jedis once practiced and is now mainstream in almost all the arab world actually descends to them from India and not from Islam itself (the quran says that women are equal to men in almost all concepts save in property, as in: if you die and have a son and a daughter you must leave 2/3 of your wealth to your son and 1/3 to your daughter- for obvious purposes, for she might marry and enjoy the wealth of her husband while your son gets to give his to his wife).
  14. #14
    infinityshock Black Hole (banned)
    regardless of the plot line and story...the bible is still a jedi-originated work of fiction. multiple civilizations have plagiarized stories they heard and modified them just enough to suit their uses.

    ancient people's did travel quite extensively however they were the minority. the majority of the population stayed on their own localized plot of land and the furthest they ventured was to their neighbors or the local population center.
  15. #15
    I don't get it.
  16. #16
    infinityshock Black Hole (banned)
    Originally posted by SCronaldo_J_Trump I don't get it.

    youre not missing anything
  17. #17
    I see no overwhelming evidence one way or another honestly and I don't really care just don't pollute and quit banning chemicals. Everyone on earth can FYAD
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    infinityshock Black Hole (banned)
    Originally posted by SCronaldo_J_Trump I see no overwhelming evidence one way or another honestly and I don't really care just don't pollute and quit banning chemicals. Everyone on earth can FYAD

    it has nothing to do with the environment or saving it. it has to do with using the climate to make money
  19. #19
    Originally posted by infinityshock it has nothing to do with the environment or saving it. it has to do with using the climate to make money

    quite a thing really. but then again people are such opportunists that they will use almost anything they can to use money, for instance, the whole drug thing and the war on drugs is some mayor bullshit made by the same people who make up and work in law enforcement, charities and whatever other substance abuse control organization so they can show a valid excuse to get millions over millions of dollars funding from the government. DEA and other US faculties secretly work with the cartels too. it is simple, if the drug market is ever stopped so will be their expensive funding for killing the drug trade.
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