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Employee vs Self-Employed
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2021-07-27 at 1:23 AM UTCVirgin Employee:
- Wants a raise, is usually too scared to even ask
- Is paid less
- "muh job stability"
- Hates going into work every day
- Is to afraid to quit
- Will never get a golden watch
Chad Self-Employed:
- Informs clients his rates have risen
- Contract over? Awesome, time for a break
- Tax write offs for business expenses
- No longer afraid of finding work
- Can hire his own virgins as he expandsThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-07-27 at 1:27 AM UTCNo one says "chad" anymore.
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2021-07-27 at 2:08 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2021-07-27 at 2:47 AM UTC
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2021-07-27 at 3:42 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed Virgin Employee:
- Wants a raise, is usually too scared to even ask
- Is paid less
- "muh job stability"
- Hates going into work every day
- Is to afraid to quit
- Will never get a golden watch
Chad Self-Employed:
- Informs clients his rates have risen
- Contract over? Awesome, time for a break
- Tax write offs for business expenses
- No longer afraid of finding work
- Can hire his own virgins as he expands
↑ the one who believes in unplanned economy doesnt realize contractors are just employees on a piece meal basis. -
2021-07-27 at 4:01 AM UTC
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2021-07-27 at 4:19 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed Almost twice what I got while employed.
And what's that number?
Maybe it's different there, but in the US tech even freelancers that are actually good (most are not) typically make significantly less than in a similar FTE position.
I'm not opposed to self employment in principle, but for high demand industries pretty much every point you made is invalid. Like wage slavery sucks, totally, but I doubt you're going to be exiting the middle class making restaurant websites so what are you really winning here? -
2021-07-27 at 4:37 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny And what's that number?
I would guess quite a bit less than you earn as I don't yet have US clients. I'll tell you mine if you tell me yours.
Originally posted by Lanny Maybe it's different there, but in the US tech even freelancers that are actually good (most are not) typically make significantly less than in a similar FTE position.
Definitely not the same here. Anyone with talent becomes self employed.
Originally posted by Lanny I'm not opposed to self employment in principle, but for high demand industries pretty much every point you made is invalid. Like wage slavery sucks, totally, but I doubt you're going to be exiting the middle class making restaurant websites so what are you really winning here?
You say tech is high demand in the US, but I still hear loads of American devs complaining about having to do on-sites and 5 interviews and blah blah to get jobs.
The turn around is so much quicker when it's B2B. And I may be a small, very employee shaped B, but the conversation is just so different. -
2021-07-27 at 10:05 AM UTC
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2021-07-27 at 12:43 PM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed You say tech is high demand in the US, but I still hear loads of American devs complaining about having to do on-sites and 5 interviews and blah blah to get jobs.
It is high demand, but I can't pretend like the interview process isn't a hot mess 4 out of 5 times. I think Google started it and everyone just bandwagoned the shit out of it. We're just now getting to the point where employers are realizing it's bullshit and having a better interview process can get you better employees and offer a competitive advantage.
The upside is that the market's good so you can limit your exposure to interview bullshit by just not doing it. I've gotten to the point that I'll end an interview process if it involves a "takehome" component because why waste the time when you can line up and actually do multiple other interviews in amount of time it would take.
So yeah, interviews are kind of a hellscape but you have some level of agency in how bad they are, and it's something you have to do for maybe a month every couple of years as opposed to finding clients which I imagine gets easier with time but still has to be a semi- ongoing process. Even if you exist entirely on referrals you still have to meet with new clients periodically which seems not that different from a continuous interview process. -
2021-07-27 at 1:15 PM UTCself employed,, makin 25 to 100 bucks an hr
employed makin 17 bucks an hr doing the same thingThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-07-27 at 1:15 PM UTCdur dur dur
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2021-07-28 at 3:11 PM UTCChoose being "independently wealthy" instead.
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2021-07-28 at 4:29 PM UTC
Originally posted by Bueno I dono, the stability is nice and the projects you get to work on are nicer.
I only really hear about folks contracting if their spouse has a healthcare plan to cover the family. From what I understand, Healthcare can eat away a good chunk of that extra income.
Look maaannnnnn... I know talking and stuff is like lower bandwidth and like, i get it duuuuuuude. You're CEREBRAL. But we're not selling a product my dude, we're selling an EXPERIENCE maaaannnn. So can you like. Do it with machine learning? And the cloud? i know you tech dudes are all about that stuff, and we want our experience to be the best and quick to market maaaannnn, like you we're agile, we're an agile company. Gotta go, bro, board meeting you know how it goes. -
2021-07-28 at 10:36 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny So yeah, interviews are kind of a hellscape but you have some level of agency in how bad they are, and it's something you have to do for maybe a month every couple of years as opposed to finding clients which I imagine gets easier with time but still has to be a semi- ongoing process. Even if you exist entirely on referrals you still have to meet with new clients periodically which seems not that different from a continuous interview process.
Talking to potential clients is so incredibly different from an interview process. It's a conversation between potential business partners. People aren't subconsciously talking down to you or testing you.
I still don't have the proverbial backlog of clients at this point, but finding new ones hasn't been hugely challenging so far. -
2021-07-29 at 2:09 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed Talking to potential clients is so incredibly different from an interview process. It's a conversation between potential business partners. People aren't subconsciously talking down to you or testing you.
I still don't have the proverbial backlog of clients at this point, but finding new ones hasn't been hugely challenging so far.
only betas get talked down during interviews amd get tested.
subconsciously or otherwise.
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2021-07-29 at 2:54 PM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed Talking to potential clients is so incredibly different from an interview process. It's a conversation between potential business partners. People aren't subconsciously talking down to you or testing you.
IDK, the goals seem pretty similar. Labor wants work and compensation. Capital wants to validate the work will be of an acceptable standard and to dole out less compensation. I’m told some people have a hard time negotiating with a potential employer, which is unfortunate, but I’d guess those same people wouldn’t be any more comfortable doing the exact same thing with a client.
In terms of content sure, logic puzzles and whiteboards in one, requirements and portfolio in the other. And I get why people prefer being self employed, although personally I just like logic puzzles better. There’s at least some stick to mature people by there. With a client you have to like generally convince them that it’s in there interest to pay you money. That’s a much more open ended problem. -
2021-08-02 at 11:13 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny IDK, the goals seem pretty similar. Labor wants work and compensation. Capital wants to validate the work will be of an acceptable standard and to dole out less compensation.
Oh fuck me I forgot you're one of those. Pointless explaining to you.
BRB off to go oppress my accountant by paying him.
