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2021-09-30 at 8:46 AM UTCnobody can complain anymore or cry, lets all put this behind us and move on like we did with Trump and the elections.
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2021-09-30 at 11:14 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra it doesn't matter how long it's been in development; how long has it actually been tested on humans?
how long did it take for them to pull thalidomide or asbestos?
Wrong, as usual.Never Been Done Before? That's not completely true. While an scary science thing vaccine has never been on the market anywhere in the world, scary science thing vaccines have been tested in humans before, for at least four infectious diseases: rabies, influenza, cytomegalovirus, and Zika.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89998
Care to try again?
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2021-09-30 at 11:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist Wrong, as usual.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89998
Care to try again?
Great word enhancement
I asked a question, what exactly about it was wrong?
as per your article, they went through phase 1 testing, which is more or less just trying to find the active-lethal dose range. the current vaccines are the first to make it past that and they won't be done with phase 3, let alone long-term testing for another year
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2021-09-30 at 11:56 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I asked a question, what exactly about it was wrong?
as per your article, they went through phase 1 testing, which is more or less just trying to find the active-lethal dose range. the current vaccines are the first to make it past that and they won't be done with phase 3, let alone long-term testing for another year
I take it you're still sore about people pointing out you're wrong all the time
Nope you never proved that now did ya? Prove it or STFU! -
2021-09-30 at 4:04 PM UTCMaybe you
All should
Get
A shot or be prepared to pay out your ass
A Texas man took COVID-19 tests at an emergency room. Then, he got a bill for $54,000.
Scott Gleeson, USA TODAY
A Dallas man was charged $54,000 for his COVID-19 tests at an emergency room in Lewisville, Texas – a staggering fee that is not only legal, but hardly the only coronavirus test to break the bank for a time-desperate person during the pandemic.
Travis Warner told NPR that his and his wife's June 2020 visit to the free-standing ER at Lewisville's SignatureCare Emergency Center was, at first, a relief because he could return to work once he tested negative. The couple drove 30 minutes outside of Dallas because of the limited testing availability at the time.
At the hospital visit, Warner individually received PCR diagnostic tests for COVID-19, plus the less-accurate rapid antigen tests due to time sensitivity in wanting to return to work.
Relief turned into outrage when the bill came through the mail. The more-accurate PCR test and antigen test together cost $54,000 when including the ER facility fee. The taxes and additional cost added the bill up to a whopping $56,384.
Warner, who is self-employed and has his own health care plan with Molina Healthcare, negotiated the price with the hospital to eventually bump it all the way down to $16,915.20. The insurer paid that in full.
"At least I’m not liable for anything," Warner told Kaiser Health News.
But before the negotiation, the costs were murky. For in-network providers, insurers can negotiate prices for tests. But for out-of-network providers, insurers can be charged the price that is publicly available on the hospital's website. Since the free-standing ER in Lewisville was out of network for Warner, it initially looked like he was stuck with the bill.
SignatureCare Emergency Center is one of more than a dozen free-standing ERs the company owns across Texas. The facility is not the only hospital to charge an eye-popping fee that is legal to charge in American health care. An article in the Texas Tribune noted how a $175 COVID-19 test skyrocketed to $2,479. A report from the Insurance Trade Association claims that "price gouging by certain providers continues to be a widespread problem."
None, however, was high enough to eclipse the $50,000 mark from last summer. The website for SignatureCare Emergency Center currently lists COVID-19 tests at $175 apiece.
Health policy researchers, including Loren Adler, the director of the USC-Brookings Schaeffer Initiative for Health Policy, told NPR the price for the test was "astronomical" and "egregious."
Molina Healthcare told NPR in a statement: "This matter was a provider billing error which Molina identified and corrected."
Warner said his wife received the same tests the same day at the same hospital and was billed only $2,000. She has a separate insurance policy. -
2021-09-30 at 4:11 PM UTC
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2021-09-30 at 4:25 PM UTC
A Dallas man was charged $54,000 for his COVID-19 tests at an emergency room in Lewisville, Texas – a staggering fee that is not only legal, but hardly the only coronavirus test to break the bank for a time-desperate person during the pandemic.
Just another day in Biden's America, Ladies and Gentlemen. -
2021-09-30 at 4:27 PM UTCMay you
All
Get
Ahead (and two legs) of Covid
Business Insider
A Texas man who said he didn't get vaccinated out of 'stupidity' had both his legs amputated after COVID-19 turned his feet black
mguenot@businessinsider.com (Marianne Guenot)
A Texas man ended up with both legs amputated after getting COVID-19 which led to sepsis.
Pepe Forina, 56, had pre-existing vascular problems that made him vulnerable to complications.
Forino said "stupidity" kept him from getting the vaccine and warned others to learn from him.
A man who survived COVID-19 but lost both legs in the process blamed "stupidity" for his decisions not to get vaccinated.
Pepe Forina, 56, who had pre-existing conditions like diabetes and hypertension, lost both legs to sepsis after being hospitalized with COVID-19, Texas local news station KRGV reported.
"I looked at my feet and my feet were black," Forino said, per the outlet.
Asked why he didn't get vaccinated, he said "stupidity basically, I didn't believe in it."
"It's a choice, a choice that I made poorly," Forina said, per KGRV. "Learn from me, and hopefully you won't be in the same situation that I'm in."
COVID-19 vaccines are known to greatly reduce the risk of hospitalization and death from the disease.
On August 9, two weeks after being admitted to a hospital in Edinburg, Texas, Forina's family received a call saying he might not make it through the night, per KGRV.
Forina, who has a peripheral vascular disease associated with diabetes, survived but had his legs amputated above the knee after contracting sepsis, per ValleyCentral.com.
The decision to have his legs was a "no-brainer" because the alternative was death, he said, per ValleyCentral.
"He shouldn't be alive," Federico Vallejo, a doctor at the DHR Health hospital where Forina was treated, told the outlet. "The odds were against him. It's actually quite amazing that he had recovered."
Vallejo warned that it is not uncommon for patients like Forina to have this type of complication.
Forina said he was happy to be alive after thinking that the disease was going to kill him, per KGRV. -
2021-09-30 at 4:29 PM UTC
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2021-09-30 at 4:32 PM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 In one of the reddest states in the nation that voted for Trump.
Voter fraud is a magnificent thing.
https://ercare24.com/against-racism/
Of course they scam their customers then stand against racism. You can almost predict how scummy someone is by how loudly they stand against racism.
I only went to their site for the price list, but looks like they're hiding it. -
2021-09-30 at 6:41 PM UTCQUIT MONKEYING AROUND AND STICK IT!
Saint Louis Zoo vaccinated male chimpanzee, more to be administered
MISSOURI
by: Monica Ryan
ST. LOUIS – A male chimpanzee at the Saint Louis Zoo was vaccinated Wednesday against COVID.
Jimiyu, 29, got his first dose of Zoetis’ COVID-19 vaccine “which has been authorized for use on animals on a case-by-case, experimental basis,” according to the zoo. The zoo said they do not expect Jimiyu to experience any “adverse side effects.”
Trending Stories: Saint Louis Zoo vaccinated male chimpanzee, more to be administered
“The zoo plans to administer the two-dose COVID-19 vaccine in a staged roll-out to almost 100 primates, big cats, river otters, painted dogs and bat-eared foxes, all of which carry a potential risk of being infected by SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19 disease,” the zoo said. “Doses are given three weeks apart and full vaccination is reached two weeks after the second dose.”
“We really believe in keeping our animals healthy, not just treating them when they are sick. Vaccines are nothing new for us. As with every vaccine we administer, we first determine risk of exposure, risk of illness from the disease and potential vaccine side-effects. With cases of coronavirus infection coming up in zoos around the country, we are lucky to be able to give this vaccine to our at-risk patients,” DVM, Director of Animal Health, Saint Louis Zoo, Sathya Chinnadurai said.
“Many of the recently recognized emerging diseases share a connection between humans and animals. Now more than ever, it is important that we recognize that the health of humans, animals and the environment are interconnected and dependent on each other,” DVM, Vice President of Animal Collections, Saint Louis Zoo, Luis Padilla said. -
2021-09-30 at 6:43 PM UTCSARS COV-2 doesn't turn your feet black at all. It's a respiratory virus. It's amazing what these bumbling clowns will believe, with ZERO research on the subject.
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2021-09-30 at 6:53 PM UTCIf you actually research the situation properly and do some deep digging past all the patented bullshit, you find out it all has to do with billing codes and federal aid money. Nothing else. You got a bad leg? That's Covid. You use a Covid billing code. You got a bad eye? That's also Covid. You use a Covid billing code. You got the common flu? That's also Covid. You use a Covid billing code. You have black feet and hands? That's Covid, too! Everything is Covid!! Because Covid billing codes are worth as much as platinum. The government needs those fake case numbers to keep the fear and control factors in place, and they're willing to pay big money to get them, and they've already stated they won't be looking into or checking anything for validation. It's ALL about the $$$, folks! Nothing else! Everything is now Covid! Like pigs to the feeding trough!
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2021-09-30 at 7:11 PM UTC
Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ SARS COV-2 doesn't turn your feet black at all. It's a respiratory virus. It's amazing what these bumbling clowns will believe, with ZERO research on the subject.
Originally posted by stl1 A Texas man ended up with both legs amputated after getting COVID-19 which led to sepsis.
Pepe Forina, 56, had pre-existing vascular problems that made him vulnerable to complications.
Besides, apparently Covid can turn your soul black, Speculum. -
2021-09-30 at 7:12 PM UTCSepsis is not usually a symptom of SARS COV-2.
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2021-09-30 at 7:21 PM UTCWhat about the lack of oxygen caused by the Covid affecting the existing vascular problems, genius?
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2021-09-30 at 7:32 PM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 What about the lack of oxygen caused by the Covid affecting the existing vascular problems, genius?
Oxygen deprivation would be system-wide, not localized. The actual cause is his original vascular issues, and they're just using Covid to make more $$$ for themselves, obviously. Nothing to do with Covid. -
2021-09-30 at 7:47 PM UTCPutting Their Arms Where Their Mouths Were
The Washington Post
Turns out a lot of those never-vaxxers were really ‘I’ll get it if required’
Philip Bump
Since the government approved the first vaccine to fight the coronavirus last year, polling has found that there are four general views of the vaccination process.
The first is those who were eager to get vaccinated, telling pollsters that they would do so as soon as possible and then actually doing it. Next, there were those who were cautious, saying that they would wait and see before getting a dose. In polling from the Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) over the past 10 months, those two groups combined have been about three-quarters of the country.
Then there are the two groups largely resistant to the vaccines: those who say they’d get vaccinated only if required for work, school or travel and those who say they wouldn’t get it, no matter what. Over the course of the year, those two groups have been about a fifth of the total, leading to an enormous amount of attention being paid to those who expressed the most resistance.
It’s starting to look as though the boundary between “never” and “if required” was more porous than poll respondents might have indicated.
Various employers, including the federal government, implemented vaccine requirements or new vaccine standards in recent months, setting deadlines that have started to arrive. What we’ve seen is that relatively few employees flat out resist vaccination. In a number of examples collected by The Washington Post’s Aaron Blake this week, only about 1 to 2 percent of employees preferred losing their jobs to getting vaccinated. At the Department of Defense, one of the first major employers to issue a mandate, 95 percent of service members have reportedly gotten at least one dose of a vaccine.
Given that 12 percent of respondents in KFF’s most recent poll said they would never get vaccinated (compared with only 4 percent who said they’d do so if required), it certainly seems as if some of the resistance to vaccination expressed to the pollsters eroded when a requirement was actually put in place.
This is hard to verify, of course. Just because 12 percent of Americans nationally say they’d never get a vaccine dose doesn’t mean that translates perfectly to 12 percent resistance at every employer. It may be the case either that the places that implemented mandates are more likely to have employees who aren’t resistant to vaccination or the places where deadlines have arrived are disproportionately unlikely to have such employees. (It’s not the case that the vaccine-resistant are largely out of the workforce, say, through retirement; KFF’s polling shows that it’s younger, not older, Americans who are most skeptical about the vaccines.)
What seems likely, though, is that the hypothetical scenario offered by pollsters — would you quit if asked to get a vaccine dose? — yields a level of bravado that collapses when the question is actually asked.
It’s probably useful to recognize that these new requirements have also overlapped with the surge in new cases that followed the spread of the delta variant this summer. The rate of new vaccinations per day started to plunge in April as new case numbers did. But when cases started to surge again, new vaccinations picked up. States that saw the fastest surges in new cases saw new vaccination rates increase more quickly.
We can visualize that a bit differently. From May 1 to the beginning of the fourth surge in cases in late June, both new vaccinations per day (vertical axis) and new cases (horizontal) were dropping. Then the surge began, as new vaccination numbers continued to fall. Then, as the surge gained speed, vaccinations picked back up. In recent weeks, as the surge has peaked, vaccination rates are heading back down.
Many of the vaccine mandates overlapped with that surge, a period when many people were already being spurred to seek out vaccines anyway. That’s not entirely coincidental, given that the fourth wave of cases was a trigger for the new sense of urgency in the federal government and among employers.
Again, though, we’re seeing that being required to get a vaccine dose by your employer has led to the vast majority of people getting vaccinated. Those who may have been obstinate about the vaccines when called by a pollster seem to have been a bit more flexible when called by their bosses. -
2021-09-30 at 7:49 PM UTC
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