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Fuck religion.
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2015-07-24 at 6:42 PM UTCBut tell me your favorite bible verses anyway. A couple of mine are:
I am the beta and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
-Revelation 22:13
And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
-Mark 5:9
I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
-Revelation 6:8
Note that in the context of the last verse Hades refers to a compartment of hell where the unsaved souls dwell, so in effect wherever the Horsemean of death went, hell followed in his wake.
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2015-07-24 at 7:15 PM UTCThe one where that guy gets his daughters drunk and fucks them.
And anything in the bible that implies unicorns existed.
I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him.
This is my favorite Johnny Cash quote -
2015-07-24 at 7:36 PM UTCKnow your bible nigger, the girls get their father drunk so he fucks them. You got it in reverse. That's some old testament shenanigans right there.
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2015-07-24 at 11:07 PM UTC"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon you."
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2015-07-24 at 11:25 PM UTC
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon you."
That one is beautiful indeed. -
2015-07-24 at 11:26 PM UTCI like this one too, it's well known but a good one.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me.
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2015-07-25 at 1:37 AM UTCMine was from a speech from the movie pulp fiction, which is just a lengthy paraphrase of a quote taken from, I think, the new international version ezekiel 25 : 17
'I will carry out great vengeance on them and punish them in my wrath. Then they will know that I am the Lord, when I take vengeance on them.'
the guy in pulp fiction just niggered it up
here is the whole chapter for the context of the verse
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=14px]A Prophecy Against Ammon
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=24px]25 [/SIZE][/FONT]The word of the Lord came to me: [FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]2 [/SIZE][/FONT]“Son of man, set your face against the Ammonites and prophesy against them. [FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]3 [/SIZE][/FONT]Say to them, ‘Hear the word of the Sovereign Lord. This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because you said “Aha!†over my sanctuary when it was desecrated and over the land of Israel when it was laid waste and over the people of Judah when they went into exile,[FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]4 [/SIZE][/FONT]therefore I am going to give you to the people of the East as a possession. They will set up their camps and pitch their tents among you; they will eat your fruit and drink your milk. [FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]5 [/SIZE][/FONT]I will turn Rabbah into a pasture for camels and Ammon into a resting place for sheep. Then you will know that I am the Lord.[FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]6 [/SIZE][/FONT]For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because you have clapped your hands and stamped your feet, rejoicing with all the malice of your heart against the land of Israel, [FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]7 [/SIZE][/FONT]therefore I will stretch out my hand against you and give you as plunder to the nations. I will wipe you out from among the nations and exterminate you from the countries. I will destroy you, and you will know that I am the Lord.’â€[/SIZE][/FONT]
A Prophecy Against Moab
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]8 [/SIZE][/FONT]“This is what the Sovereign Lord says: ‘Because Moab and Seir said, “Look, Judah has become like all the other nations,†[FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]9 [/SIZE][/FONT]therefore I will expose the flank of Moab, beginning at its frontier towns—Beth Jeshimoth, Baal Meon and Kiriathaim—the glory of that land. [FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]10 [/SIZE][/FONT]I will give Moab along with the Ammonites to the people of the East as a possession, so that the Ammonites will not be remembered among the nations; [FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]11 [/SIZE][/FONT]and I will inflict punishment on Moab. Then they will know that I am the Lord.’â€[/SIZE][/FONT]
A Prophecy Against Edom
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]12 [/SIZE][/FONT]“This is what the Sovereign Lord says: ‘Because Edom took revenge on Judah and became very guilty by doing so, [FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]13 [/SIZE][/FONT]therefore this is what the Sovereign Lordsays: I will stretch out my hand against Edom and kill both man and beast. I will lay it waste, and from Teman to Dedan they will fall by the sword. [FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]14 [/SIZE][/FONT]I will take vengeance on Edom by the hand of my people Israel, and they will deal with Edom in accordance with my anger and my wrath; they will know my vengeance, declares the Sovereign Lord.’â€[/SIZE][/FONT]
A Prophecy Against Philistia
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]15 [/SIZE][/FONT]“This is what the Sovereign Lord says: ‘Because the Philistines acted in vengeance and took revenge with malice in their hearts, and with ancient hostility sought to destroy Judah, [FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]16 [/SIZE][/FONT]therefore this is what the Sovereign Lordsays: I am about to stretch out my hand against the Philistines, and I will wipe out the Kerethites and destroy those remaining along the coast. [FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]17 [/SIZE][/FONT]I will carry out great vengeance on them and punish them in my wrath. Then they will know that I am the Lord, when I take vengeance on them.’â€[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=14px]New International Version (NIV)[/SIZE][/FONT]
But you know what? Fuck NIV. I am a King James man myself.
[h=1][SIZE=18px]Ezekiel 25[/SIZE]King James Version (KJV)[/h] [FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=24px]25 [/SIZE][/FONT]The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]2 [/SIZE][/FONT]Son of man, set thy face against the Ammonites, and prophesy against them;[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]3 [/SIZE][/FONT]And say unto the Ammonites, Hear the word of the Lord God; Thus saith the Lord God; Because thou saidst, Aha, against my sanctuary, when it was profaned; and against the land of Israel, when it was desolate; and against the house of Judah, when they went into captivity;[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]4 [/SIZE][/FONT]Behold, therefore I will deliver thee to the men of the east for a possession, and they shall set their palaces in thee, and make their dwellings in thee: they shall eat thy fruit, and they shall drink thy milk.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]5 [/SIZE][/FONT]And I will make Rabbah a stable for camels, and the Ammonites a couching place for flocks: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]6 [/SIZE][/FONT]For thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast clapped thine hands, and stamped with the feet, and rejoiced in heart with all thy despite against the land of Israel;[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]7 [/SIZE][/FONT]Behold, therefore I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and will deliver thee for a spoil to the heathen; and I will cut thee off from the people, and I will cause thee to perish out of the countries: I will destroy thee; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]8 [/SIZE][/FONT]Thus saith the Lord God; Because that Moab and Seir do say, Behold, the house of Judah is like unto all the heathen;[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]9 [/SIZE][/FONT]Therefore, behold, I will open the side of Moab from the cities, from his cities which are on his frontiers, the glory of the country, Bethjeshimoth, Baalmeon, and Kiriathaim,[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]10 [/SIZE][/FONT]Unto the men of the east with the Ammonites, and will give them in possession, that the Ammonites may not be remembered among the nations.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]11 [/SIZE][/FONT]And I will execute judgments upon Moab; and they shall know that I am theLord.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]12 [/SIZE][/FONT]Thus saith the Lord God; Because that Edom hath dealt against the house of Judah by taking vengeance, and hath greatly offended, and revenged himself upon them;[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]13 [/SIZE][/FONT]Therefore thus saith the Lord God; I will also stretch out mine hand upon Edom, and will cut off man and beast from it; and I will make it desolate from Teman; and they of Dedan shall fall by the sword.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]14 [/SIZE][/FONT]And I will lay my vengeance upon Edom by the hand of my people Israel: and they shall do in Edom according to mine anger and according to my fury; and they shall know my vengeance, saith the Lord God.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]15 [/SIZE][/FONT]Thus saith the Lord God; Because the Philistines have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy it for the old hatred;[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]16 [/SIZE][/FONT]Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue][SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial][SIZE=12px]17 [/SIZE][/FONT]And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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2015-07-25 at 2:36 AM UTC
:headbang:
we need better smiles, someone should really get on that.
oh wait.
aaaanyway, I like the sentiment in Proverbs 27:17, "As sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another". People poke fun at arguing on the internet and I think everyone here has done their fair share of that. I think there's something really valuable though in being in and creating a sufficiently hostile environment where people will argue with you over anything and everything. Like it's kinda darwinian in some sense, you go into everything you do with a collection of beliefs and if you engage in activities where those beliefs face really strong opposition then a reasonable person will be forced to throw away anything they can't satisfactorily defend. I know people calling each other faggots on the internet isn't _exactly_ the same thing, but I think we write it off as unproductive too hastily. Like I've been on these godforsaken boards for the better part of a decade now and there have been numerous times where someone convinced me of something, although usually they'd never know it. Like at one point I was convinced fluoride was the worst thing even and I got into and argument with Rust about it and he just fucking destroyed me and I backed out with some BS excuse but despite the attempt to save face or whatever his point eventually hit home and I realized the fluoride conspiracies are dumb. Obviously I don't know what the case is with other people but I suspect a lot of people have similar experiences that leave artifacts suggesting the whole exercise was pointless but actually resulted in real human beings holding a more sound collection of beliefs Anyway, I think that passage kinda summarizes that mindset, it's only through a sort of limited conflict with each other that we can really test the reliability of our own beliefs and skills."The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon you."
Lol the old Ezekiel 25:17. You know verse doesn't actually appear anywhere in the bible right? I think it's like a couple of verses stuck together. -
2015-07-25 at 3:18 AM UTC
Lol the old Ezekiel 25:17. You know verse doesn't actually appear anywhere in the bible right? I think it's like a couple of verses stuck together.
I addressed that in my post right above yours.
Also, I like what you brought up, pretty much everything you said encompasses the whole reason I am even on boards like this, and it even underscores my general outlook on life.
I am a far-right winger, almost to the point of being an anarchist. You remember our discussions about 'vigilance committees'. I believe that our society is entirely 180 degrees wrong about everything. We espouse things like diversity, inclusion, and fairness, but these are all the exact opposite of how reality works.
I believe the way I do because I firmly believe that competition and capitalism are very basic concepts that are almost instinctual to nearly all life forms. Competition brings striving, it brings rivalrys, it sharpens skills, it brings out the best in people. Think famous inventors, or feuds over women or material goods. I really do believe in people, and I believe that people can take care of themselves when left to their own devices. For the most part, we don't need cops standing over our shoulder all the time.
People can do things for and take care of themselves better than any 'government' ever could. We always have, and we always will. When people are put in extreme situations, when everything is stripped away that makes them human, what remains? capitalism, and competition. Think prison. Think war. Think frontier life. This is why I believe that the left is foolish and doomed, they are fighting against human nature itself. -
2015-07-25 at 3:25 AM UTCWhoever told you that right wingers are authoritarian fascists, they are wrong
whoever told you that the right are anti-fun, anti-drug, and anti-sex, they are wrong
whoever told you that the right wants to control what you do, in the bedroom, in the womb, or anywhere, they are wrong
the left wants you to think that the right is fascist
but any real right winger promotes personal autonomy and freedom.
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2015-07-25 at 4:24 AM UTC
I addressed that in my post right above yours.
Also, I like what you brought up, pretty much everything you said encompasses the whole reason I am even on boards like this, and it even underscores my general outlook on life.
I am a far-right winger, almost to the point of being an anarchist. You remember our discussions about 'vigilance committees'. I believe that our society is entirely 180 degrees wrong about everything. We espouse things like diversity, inclusion, and fairness, but these are all the exact opposite of how reality works.
I believe the way I do because I firmly believe that competition and capitalism are very basic concepts that are almost instinctual to nearly all life forms. Competition brings striving, it brings rivalrys, it sharpens skills, it brings out the best in people. Think famous inventors, or feuds over women or material goods. I really do believe in people, and I believe that people can take care of themselves when left to their own devices. For the most part, we don't need cops standing over our shoulder all the time.
People can do things for and take care of themselves better than any 'government' ever could. We always have, and we always will. When people are put in extreme situations, when everything is stripped away that makes them human, what remains? capitalism, and competition. Think prison. Think war. Think frontier life. This is why I believe that the left is foolish and doomed, they are fighting against human nature itself.
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2015-07-25 at 4:58 AM UTC
I addressed that in my post right above yours.
ahh, should have read the whole thread. No doubt the tarantino version sounds more badass but I was a little upset when I learned it wasn't real (I what a total PF fanboy when I was younger, I knew the whole dumb verse, word for word, for a time).Also, I like what you brought up, pretty much everything you said encompasses the whole reason I am even on boards like this, and it even underscores my general outlook on life.
I am a far-right winger, almost to the point of being an anarchist. You remember our discussions about 'vigilance committees'. I believe that our society is entirely 180 degrees wrong about everything. We espouse things like diversity, inclusion, and fairness, but these are all the exact opposite of how reality works.
I believe the way I do because I firmly believe that competition and capitalism are very basic concepts that are almost instinctual to nearly all life forms. Competition brings striving, it brings rivalrys, it sharpens skills, it brings out the best in people. Think famous inventors, or feuds over women or material goods. I really do believe in people, and I believe that people can take care of themselves when left to their own devices. For the most part, we don't need cops standing over our shoulder all the time.
People can do things for and take care of themselves better than any 'government' ever could. We always have, and we always will. When people are put in extreme situations, when everything is stripped away that makes them human, what remains? capitalism, and competition. Think prison. Think war. Think frontier life. This is why I believe that the left is foolish and doomed, they are fighting against human nature itself.
So like, as you know, I hold a very different view of things (I guess that illustrates the point we're both trying to make, to a degree). There's a world of difference between a perfect darwinian society and a world wherein our ideas face stiff disagreement. Like when you're on the internet and you have some stupid belief then what are you risking? You may be made to look like a fool to your peers (which is a powerful motivator, no doubt) but there's no risk of death. The economic capitalistic premise condemns human beings, and a large number of them at that, to death for ignorance or ineptitude or even poor luck (god knows capitalistic markets are prone to wild swings). The leftist ideal is based in the fundamental idea that human life and happiness is worthwhile in and of itself. It's conceivable that the maximization of human wellbeing can only be achieved through a capitalistic system, but almost every thinker who's accepted the premise that maximization of human well being is the goal has come to the conclusion that socialistic policies are the most likely way to achieve that goal. There is a recurring rhetorical thread in the right wing of the idea of what people "deserve", the notion that if you don't do the right things you are somehow less entitled than the rest of us to wellbeing. There's a lot of focus in the right's rhetoric on "deserving", how people who aren't well off are their because they deserve to be but that's clearly a metaphysical mire. What entitles those with the means to succeed to their success? There is no valid argument to support that position, human life is human life, if we could save and provide well being for a hundred human lives at the cost of on other who didn't do anything to "deserve" their sacrifice we would be monsters not to. If you don't agree with that simply replace 100 for any number up to the population of earth. "Deserves" falls away in the face of needs, in the face of right. What is right is not what is deserved but what leads the the optimal outcome. A darwinist should appreciate that. -
2015-07-25 at 4:58 AM UTCp.s. I'm drunk, I may have better arguments in the morning but feel free to reply, I'll stand by my drunken rants as well as my sober rants.
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2015-07-25 at 5:16 AM UTC
The economic capitalistic premise condemns human beings, and a large number of them at that, to death for ignorance or ineptitude or even poor luck (god knows capitalistic markets are prone to wild swings). The leftist ideal is based in the fundamental idea that human life and happiness is worthwhile in and of itself. It's conceivable that the maximization of human wellbeing can only be achieved through a capitalistic system, but almost every thinker who's accepted the premise that maximization of human well being is the goal has come to the conclusion that socialistic policies are the most likely way to achieve that goal.
Oy, Lanny, this is awful. You have so many horrendous misconceptions, but it's very common among people your age, particularly in your environment.
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2015-07-25 at 5:34 AM UTCwhat I said about using the internet, I just meant debating with others to sharpen my debate skills and general knowledge base
in a capitalist 'system', no one is stopping people from taking care of their loved ones and friends,with charity or even forming organizations like hospitalers, salvation army, or shriners.
No matter how the left tries to make their competition with the right into a life and death struggle, where the right are the heartless religious zealots, or overly moralizing hypocrytes, or darwinian capitalists, it is no big secret the left accuses the right of great evils. Oppression, racism, fascism.
Don't get me wrong, we on the right see the left as evil too, but it is a more foolish, stupid evil, not the way the left see the right as evil towards humanity out of malice.
I don't really get what you mean with the 'deserving' stuff. I am totally uneducated, so if you are referring to any sort of scholarly work, it will be lost on me.
IThe right is not evil, no matter how much the left wants it to be.. Right wing beliefs (I wish I was more articulate, all this sounds way better in my head) are just a system, a human way of doing things. It doesn't have to be followed to the utmost, and in a true 'right' oriented society, the left would be free to collectivize and share their wealth if that is how they want to live. -
2015-07-25 at 6:16 AM UTC
Oy, Lanny, this is awful. You have so many horrendous misconceptions, but it's very common among people your age, particularly in your environment.
What's actually awful is you refusing to actually engage with my position, falling back on a generalized boogman of the young left. It's your loss though. -
2015-07-25 at 6:27 AM UTC
what I said about using the internet, I just meant debating with others to sharpen my debate skills and general knowledge base
in a capitalist 'system', no one is stopping people from taking care of their loved ones and friends,with charity or even forming organizations like hospitalers, salvation army, or shriners.
No matter how the left tries to make their competition with the right into a life and death struggle, where the right are the heartless religious zealots, or overly moralizing hypocrytes, or darwinian capitalists, it is no big secret the left accuses the right of great evils. Oppression, racism, fascism.
Don't get me wrong, we on the right see the left as evil too, but it is a more foolish, stupid evil, not the way the left see the right as evil towards humanity out of malice.
I don't really get what you mean with the 'deserving' stuff. I am totally uneducated, so if you are referring to any sort of scholarly work, it will be lost on me.
IThe right is not evil, no matter how much the left wants it to be.. Right wing beliefs (I wish I was more articulate, all this sounds way better in my head) are just a system, a human way of doing things. It doesn't have to be followed to the utmost, and in a true 'right' oriented society, the left would be free to collectivize and share their wealth if that is how they want to live.
It's definitely true that there's vilification of the opposition of both sides of the political spectrum. I'm even willing to concede, in the face of evidence, that the left is more prone to it, but it ultimately doesn't change my point. I'm not trying to say the right is heartless and hates poor people or whatever, but in combination with the world we live in, libertarian ideology does seem to advocate policy that would leave a large number of people to suffer, fail to reproduce, and ultimately die in the name of the free market. Whether or not that is a consequence of malice, the implicit condemnation of human beings, especially those who have no meaningful alternative, to premature death does not equate to a fostering of overall human wellbeing.
And the idea of private charity in a purely capitalistic system is naive and a red herring. The very idea that makes free market systems seem plausible and desirable is that they "trim the fat", in the sense that participants which do not produce maximal profits will eventually be edged out of the system. Yes, we may be free to choose charity, but how is charity at the price of economic suicide a meaningful option at all? -
2015-07-25 at 1:37 PM UTC
ahh, should have read the whole thread. No doubt the tarantino version sounds more badass but I was a little upset when I learned it wasn't real (I what a total PF fanboy when I was younger, I knew the whole dumb verse, word for word, for a time).
So like, as you know, I hold a very different view of things (I guess that illustrates the point we're both trying to make, to a degree). There's a world of difference between a perfect darwinian society and a world wherein our ideas face stiff disagreement. Like when you're on the internet and you have some stupid belief then what are you risking? You may be made to look like a fool to your peers (which is a powerful motivator, no doubt) but there's no risk of death. The economic capitalistic premise condemns human beings, and a large number of them at that, to death for ignorance or ineptitude or even poor luck (god knows capitalistic markets are prone to wild swings). The leftist ideal is based in the fundamental idea that human life and happiness is worthwhile in and of itself. It's conceivable that the maximization of human wellbeing can only be achieved through a capitalistic system, but almost every thinker who's accepted the premise that maximization of human well being is the goal has come to the conclusion that socialistic policies are the most likely way to achieve that goal. There is a recurring rhetorical thread in the right wing of the idea of what people "deserve", the notion that if you don't do the right things you are somehow less entitled than the rest of us to wellbeing. There's a lot of focus in the right's rhetoric on "deserving", how people who aren't well off are their because they deserve to be but that's clearly a metaphysical mire. What entitles those with the means to succeed to their success? There is no valid argument to support that position, human life is human life, if we could save and provide well being for a hundred human lives at the cost of on other who didn't do anything to "deserve" their sacrifice we would be monsters not to. If you don't agree with that simply replace 100 for any number up to the population of earth. "Deserves" falls away in the face of needs, in the face of right. What is right is not what is deserved but what leads the the optimal outcome. A darwinist should appreciate that.
This has so many fallacies and assumptions i ain't even feel like typing up a retort because it will be a two page diatribe on how very, very wrong you are in your understanding of a free market capitalistic system based on austrian principles. -
2015-07-25 at 1:45 PM UTC
And the idea of private charity in a purely capitalistic system is naive and a red herring. The very idea that makes free market systems seem plausible and desirable is that they "trim the fat", in the sense that participants which do not produce maximal profits will eventually be edged out of the system. Yes, we may be free to choose charity, but how is charity at the price of economic suicide a meaningful option at all?
If what you said about the right's charity was true why do the republicans STATISTICALLY donate more to charity than the left? Also LMAO! Charity at the cost of economic suicide, oh god Lanny. First of all without government interference the economy would be over 9000 times stronger and could take 'a hit' like massive private charity. Also you seem to believe that most people in the world are absolutely incapabale of being their own economic agents in the sense that they can't take care of themselves. It is implied, since you said the charity would need to be so great it would be economic suicide. See lanny, the anarcho-capitalist system actually believes in people, and that they are able to make their own living in a free market environment. The unfortunate poor that just got unlucky will be well taken care of by the amount of charity able to be produced by such a system.
You see what i have a problem with is that the government, FORCES me to pay for people that are poor whether they be deserving or not. The notion of deserving comes from the fact if they make an effort to get their shit together or not if they do and they fail because of their own limitation i am happy to provide what economic aid i can to help a person out. But when the government gets involved and basically puts a gun to my head and is telling me YOU ARE PAYING FOR THE WELFARE STATE BECAUSE WE FUCKING SAY SO i take issue with that.
Same with national debt.
DON'T LIKE NATIONAL DEBT? TOO FUCKING BAD.
DON'T LIKE THE WAR ON DRUGS? TOO FUCKING BAD
DON'T LIKE OBAMA CARE? TOO FUCKING BAD.
DON'T LIKE PLANNED PARENTHOOD? TOO FUCKING BAD.
You're paying for it or you will go to jail and if you resist men in blue suits will shoot you in the face. -
2015-07-25 at 4:46 PM UTCwhere does the economic suicide part come in? did I miss something?
