Here is some more correspondence.
How much bitcoin do you have? what is your other wallet?
Yeah, instead of answering my legit questions, they wanna know how big my wallet is to see if scamming me is worth their effort.
Answer my damn question and I'll answer yours. I use a hardware wallet, you can use your imagination for how many bitcoins I have in there for now.
Then they actually wrote an eloquent (but still unconvincing) reply, which i courteously acknowledged.
Your question has several parts so I am going to answer each of it separately:
You mean why would I trust my bitcoin wallet that I have physical access to 24/7 which no one can take from me?
Our wallet is SAFE, we EARN MUCH MORE by having small fees from lots of transactions and lots of customers than if we would scam a few customers. If we would take the bitcoin from a few customers, that would be scamming and they would quickly complain about us; resulting in no more future business for us; no one would trust us again.
We have no complaints, do we? So we did not take any bitcoin from any customers. And we will continue not to take any bitcoins from any customers.
Apart from that, any other bitcoin wallet site can take your bitcoins if it wants to. Blockchain, localbitcoins.com, coinbase.com, and any other bitcoin wallet site can just seize your bitcoin; so basically you are not safer with any other site more than with us; we wont take it because we want to have a good reputation and no complaints
About bitcoin hardware wallets, these are psychical devices that can be stolen, lost, or damaged by various accidents; so your hardware wallets can be stolen by a thief who finds out that you are in bitcoin business, what would you do without it? maybe the thief doesnt have the password and pin to move out the funds, but he has your hardware wallet and you cant use your funds, so what would you do without it?
Nothing is truly safe in this world; everything has a small risk, so it is better to use that small risk with us than with a hardware wallet that can be stolen
Say I dump all my bitcoins from my wallet I have actual control over to yours, which I have no control over and which you can grab anytime. What guarantees would I have that you wont do exactly that?
You have full control of your bitcoin here; you can always come login and send your bitcoin to other addresses. Just try us.
We use standard bitcoind software on the server, just like coinbase or localbitcoins and we have enhanced the security on our server.
You try to lure people by promising them interest, much like these guys promise to double my bitcoins in 24h if I send them my bitcoins. http://yb24hizytii5oudw.onion/
No, we are not like them. They promise something that cant be done; doubling bitcoins in 24 hours CANT BE DONE, where do the extra bitcoin come from?!?!??
Bitcoin doublers in 24 hours are scams; because no one can double your bitcoin in such a short period
However, a small interest like 6% CAN BE DONE because we have an expert team of traders that are investing bitcoin and trading it so they make a profit. Selling when high, buying when low, doing cash investments in profitable deals, and get high returns, allows us to pay 6% interest
So basically, you put your bitcoins here, along with tens of thousands of other users. We invest a portion of these bitcoins wisely, into various high ROI deals; that make guaranteed profits for us, and we return a percentage of that profit to you; we enter a deal to give you a small percent of interest that we are sure we can give you
We dont promise the moon and the sun, we promise something that we know for sure we can do
A quick review of the blockchain exposes that scam. Whats my guarantee about yours? The word of a faceless stranger I will never meet?
We are sincere. We give a small percent, something we know for sure we can give. We know if we scam someone, we get no future business from anyone else; because of a bad reputation
Plus, words of very popular people, like CEO or big bitcoin gurus are worthless, because they surely have a large amount of bitcoin themselves, and they want to influence markets and prices in their favor; they could say bitcoin price will drop, when they want people to sell so they can buy because they know bitcoin will gain value, or they can say bitcoin price will go up when they know the bitcoin will go down and want people to buy to delay the fall
Dont trust public bitcoin figures because they always have their interest, and their predictions are depending on their interest
We have no reason to scam; is better to get a small part from a huge pizza, than to get a large part of a small pizza
We never promise what we cant deliver
So try us and you wont be sorry
Thanks for your reply.
Hardware wallets can be stolen? No, the physical device can be stolen but not my pin or key. If I lose the device, I get another one. It sets me back $80 but that is nothing compared to losing $1000 or $10000 worth of bitcoins.
You say it makes more financial sense to you to make bits and pieces off investing our bitcoins than grabbing our coins outright. I'm not convinced. You can run this operation for a year or two, gain everybody's trust and once you reach mass popularity you commit an exit scam like a few TOR marketplaces have done already and are now filthy rich.
When I do the math and assume that in 2 years you'll have 100,000 users with an average of $1000 worth of bitcoin each, you'll control $100 million worth of assets, make a 5% investment profit per year, so that would be $5 million annual income for you, which would take 20 years for you to make 100 million dollars.
If you do an exit scam, you'll make $100 million in one year, the equivalent of running this site for the next 20 years. Why wait that long? You only live once, right?
From a financial perspective, you have every incentive to be corrupt, not ethical.
This isn't a small risk a user would take, it would be a huge one. Except when I bought pills on alphabay, I never risked more than $100 at a time so it's a far less relevant risk than one I'd take on here.
Also, I can't find any public forum that discusses your reputation or gives you good reviews anyway. Who would I even complain to in the first place? We're all scattered and anonymous on here after all, I only found you via advertisement on secmail, the same place I found that bitcoin doubler scam site. They too only gave me their word and nothing else. They claim they found a technical flaw in bitcoin that allows them to hack it. They were so callous and bold, in fact, that they instructed their victims to review the blockchain of their bitcoin address to see proof of their honesty and sincerity. I did just that and saw that every single user that sent bitcoins to their address got nothing back. They think their users are that fucking dumb and sadly they are correct.
But at least I had a way of verifying if they were full of shit or not. What do I have from you other than your assurance?
why dont you fuck off?
fuck off you piece of shit, instead of waisting our time
i think we have our answer. i will let you guys give these mafia wannabe fucktards the final reply if you want, since im about to close my account on their honeypot.
i was gonna link them to this thread but i forget if google indexes NIS at all. if not, anyone searching google for that site wont find this.