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Do fast food workers deserve a $15 wage?

  1. #1
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    [h=1][SIZE=12px][SIZE=14px][FONT=arial]D[/FONT]o fast food workers deserve a $15 wage?[/SIZE][/SIZE][/h]
    What's your opinion? Would this positively or negatively affect the economy and/or society?



  2. #2
    Sophie Pedophile Tech Support
    Fast food workers deserve a salary relative to the value they bring to the company. 15 bucks seems excessive, not only that high minimum wage incentivizes fast food restaurent owners to automate which costs low level jobs and ends up hurting the poor in the long run.
  3. #3
    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    perhaps, but simply raising the mandated minimum wage will just raise their cost of living in the long run, effectively leaving them in a worse financial position
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    Number13 African Astronaut [dispute my snotty-nosed seagull]
    Nope, no way, especially not mcds, kfc or bk, shit food, shit service, shit places, I've got a burger place near me that's fucking never done me wrong so I'd say they should have a little more.
  5. #5
    Do you want to pay $5 for French Fries?
  6. #6
    All I can think when I hear about this is ... "$7/hour won't feed ma dog!"
  7. #7
    Lanny Youth Mutton Buster Champion
    I support the idea of basic wage but a higher minimum is at least a step in the right direction. A higher minimum does not inevitably lead to higher costs of living since people earning minimum will still be in the same market for housing/food/consumer goods as those working above minimum whose wages will not be increased.
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    I support the idea of basic wage but a higher minimum is at least a step in the right direction. A higher minimum does not inevitably lead to higher costs of living since people earning minimum will still be in the same market for housing/food/consumer goods as those working above minimum whose wages will not be increased.
    When minimum wage goes up all is driven up. Wages, goods, and services. For a smart guy you sure are stupid.
  9. #9
    Lanny Youth Mutton Buster Champion
    When minimum wage goes up all is driven up. Wages, goods, and services. For a smart guy you sure are stupid.

    Did you not read my post? People working at minimum represent a part (not the entirety of) the demand that drives market prices. The rest is composed of people making more than minimum whose wages are not increased by increasing the minimum. Thus while we would expect some increased demand/prices as a result of higher minimum wage it's still an equalizing force, it brings the poor closer to having the spending power of the comparatively wealthier.
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    Did you not read my post? People working at minimum represent a part (not the entirety of) the demand that drives market prices. The rest is composed of people making more than minimum whose wages are not increased by increasing the minimum. Thus while we would expect some increased demand/prices as a result of higher minimum wage it's still an equalizing force, it brings the poor closer to having the spending power of the comparatively wealthier.


    In Florida an Electrician helper/apprentice can get a max of about $15/hour. There are many skilled ND semi skilled positions that are in the same as range. If some burger flipping dumbass has his pay practicality doubled the skilled workers will demand and get more. Now the skilled positions are getting $20-25/hour. All the goods and services supplied by these skilled workers will increase in price due to increased labor costs to produce/provide.

    If I have to explain any further just stick to your code and leave the important decisions to those of us with actual life experience.
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    Lanny Youth Mutton Buster Champion
    In Florida an Electrician helper/apprentice can get a max of about $15/hour. There are many skilled ND semi skilled positions that are in the same as range. If some burger flipping dumbass has his pay practicality doubled the skilled workers will demand and get more. Now the skilled positions are getting $20-25/hour.

    You'll need to demonstrate that's actually the case. Consider there's more that goes into employment negotiations than money, office jobs are generally considered more desirable than manual labor so even if manual labor pays more than secretary or whatever it doesn't mean the value of manual labor going up means the cost of hiring a secretary will go up proportionately (that is to say the workfoce is not unconditionally plastic). The kicker of course is that even if you are right here (you're not) it still doesn't imply

    When minimum wage goes up all is driven up.

    Indeed there doesn't seem to be any reason for the price of a lawyer, or software professional, or doctor to be significantly impacted by an increase in minimum wage. Even support staff for professionals who might be at or near minimum represent a nearly vanishingly small portion of the cost of operations. More than half the population is pulling better than your proposed $25 hourly rate for manual labor, we wouldn't expect these people wages to be significantly increased by a minimum (and again, I'm highly skeptical of the manual laborer wage increase you've proposed) so the relative earning power of the lower class would still be significantly improved.
  12. #12
    Lanny your the most intelligent idiot I've ever come across. When that lawyer has to pay more for everything he buys because min wage is 15/hour do you think he will eat it or raise his rates to compensate?
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    Lanny Youth Mutton Buster Champion
    Lanny your the most intelligent idiot I've ever come across. When that lawyer has to pay more for everything he buys because min wage is 15/hour do you think he will eat it or raise his rates to compensate?

    He doesn't have to pay more for everything, just fastfood and manual labor and such which are pretty cheap anyway. The world would actually probably be a better place if you had to be wealthy to eat and mcdonalds anyway. The market price for lawyers is not set by what construction workers can bear bruh.
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    No they deserve deportation
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    He doesn't have to pay more for everything, just fastfood and manual labor and such which are pretty cheap anyway. The world would actually probably be a better place if you had to be wealthy to eat and mcdonalds anyway. The market price for lawyers is not set by what construction workers can bear bruh.
    Until you've lived in the real world you are never going to get it. When I entered the workforce min wage was $2.15/hour, milk was $.79, gas was $.50, and a loaf of bread was $.25. Now minimum wage is $7.25, milk is close to $4.00, gas is $2.50 (was close to $4.00), and a loaf of bread is $3.00. So unless that attorney doesn't eat or own a car his expenses have gone up and so have his fees.

    But do the math yourself Einstein.
  16. #16
    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    if mandated minimum wages jump, especially by something like 100%, the employer is certainly not going to want to eat that (especially in industries like food service) so he's going to raise prices and cut shifts, and is essentially not going to be able to deliver the same product or service at the same price - everything's going to be poorer quality or far more expensive


    minimum wage workers don't work solely in food or manufacturing either - even then, manufacturing's a huge part of any economy
  17. #17
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Just to be clear, I don't mean solely fast food workers, I actually meant an increase in minimum wage to $15 / hour. I personally think it's a bad idea.
  18. #18
    Lanny Youth Mutton Buster Champion
    Until you've lived in the real world you are never going to get it. When I entered the workforce min wage was $2.15/hour, milk was $.79, gas was $.50, and a loaf of bread was $.25. Now minimum wage is $7.25, milk is close to $4.00, gas is $2.50 (was close to $4.00), and a loaf of bread is $3.00. So unless that attorney doesn't eat or own a car his expenses have gone up and so have his fees.

    But do the math yourself Einstein.


    So what part of "living in the real world" entails confusing causation and corrolation?
  19. #19
    Lanny Youth Mutton Buster Champion
    if mandated minimum wages jump, especially by something like 100%, the employer is certainly not going to want to eat that (especially in industries like food service) so he's going to raise prices and cut shifts, and is essentially not going to be able to deliver the same product or service at the same price - everything's going to be poorer quality or far more expensive

    Then you seem to owe us an account of why the opposite isn't true, if we lowered minimum wage why wouldn't we expect to see higher quality products at lower prices? Look at places with no or vanishing minimum wages like... China. Or India. Yes, they do manage to manufacture quite cheaply but it's not exactly what you'd call "high quality" on the whole, plus thsoe countries working classes have absolutely shit buying power and quality of life. What you're proposing empirically does not seem to be the case
  20. #20
    Sharpie Houston
    If they get 15/hr ....my pay better go up to like 35/hr!!

    Fuck'em! They disgust me.

    How about they get a fucking skill! Besides being the trash, that can never get my order correct!
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