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The Sleep of Reason

  1. #1
    Lanny motherfucker
    You niggas ever seen this etching?



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sl...duces_Monsters

    it was on the cover the textbook for this ethics course I took once. Was a good course, I think more people should take ethics or read about it, even if you don't buy into any part of academic moral philosophy it's hard to argue that between the academy and the church the market on coherent ethical discourse hasn't been cornered. Anyway, I always thought this was a great cover. Like the obvious interpretation is like "be careful young blood, if you don't check yo six now and then you gonna get got" where "get got" means do something atrocious. But I think it's a good metaphor for the practice of ethics in general, the etching kinda captures what it feels like to engage with foundational issues in ethics. You're the nigga sitting there being like "shut the fuck up, I just wanna eat, drink, get my dick wet and die" but then you or some part of you or something be all like "no no no motherfucker, yall niggas don't get off that easily". Them owls be like "there be an existential issue here and ima peck on yo sleepy ass til you do something bout it". We educate our youth with these tools like logic and harass them into reading the classics and such and then dump them into a society where it's like "yeah, fuck that" and you spend your whole life jamming with yo otha niggas but these fucking owl cunts be like "dis some shameful shit right here son" and man it fucking blows.

    It's also a metaphor for dissociatives. Like you take some drugs and them lay down and then some owls hop out yo back and be all like "yeee lil nigga, just rest, we gonna go fuck some shit uuuuuuppppp" except that sleeping nigga aint asleep or dead or whatever, he just be in lockup and you and the boys be runnin dem streets but then when OG reason gets back he be commin back wit a chopper and nigga yall feathery niggas best watch you ass except instead of like badass street justice there's just shame.
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  2. #2
    Malice Naturally Camouflaged
    Dear god, a discussion on ethics and art interpretation in drunk wigger mode...

    Do you ever feel ashamed when you've sobered up?
  3. #3
    mmQ Cum Lickin' Fagit
    BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CAT? The guy sleeping or whatever he's doing, he doesn't even give a fuck, like he's not looking up trying to swat 'em away or making an angry or startled face or anything for that matter he's just in no fucks given mode, but that kitty cat down in the corner is all surprised like the owls just woke him/her awake from a nice dream and he doesn't even know what's going on, and the owls don't know that the man doesn't give a shit so they're gonna keep trying to bother him when in reality, it's not him that's being bothered but the cat, so I think WHAT IT ALL RELLEH MEENS MAN, is that there's three typa people on this planet- the owls (and bats I guess), the men, and the cats. The owl typa people are always trying to stir shit up and maybe even awaken people to the truths and all that, but they focus on the 'men' typa people who are just like, they just want to be left alone and not be bothered and they have mastered the art of apathy, so it's essentially futile just the owls coming at the men. I mean you have to respect their persistence I guess but at the end of the day it just doesn't do anything as far as what the owls are trying to accomplish goes anyway, but then you have the cats of the world that are down in the corner TRYING to sleep and just trying to do their own thing, but they unlike the men-people cannot just turn a blind eye to the truths that the owls are trying to bring, so even though they don't want to listen they are pretty much forced to because of their mental construction. Basically the cats want to not give a fuck but they end up absolutely giving a fuck insofar as the owls remain persistent, but ironically the owls aren't even trying to get the cat-people to care (I don't know why) but instead are focused on the men-people. I think the cat people slowly turn into owl-people without the owl-people even knowing, thus the owl flock grows larger and larger and maybe that's the point is that without knowing it, the persistence of the owls turns the cats into owls and they are so busy pecking at the men-people that they don't even notice their owl-herd is growing because of the cat-people's conversion and eventually, finally, just MAYBE, the owl-people's flock is large enough to awaken the men-people but at that point climate change will have us living in a Water World and it won't really matter anymore. :(
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  4. #4
    Lanny motherfucker
    Dear god, a discussion on ethics and art interpretation in drunk wigger mode…

    Do you ever feel ashamed when you've sobered up?

    Not usually. Like I might cringe a little or something but for the most part I type what I think, just talking like a G.

    BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CAT? The guy sleeping or whatever he's doing, he doesn't even give a fuck, like he's not looking up trying to swat 'em away or making an angry or startled face or anything for that matter he's just in no fucks given mode, but that kitty cat down in the corner is all surprised like the owls just woke him/her awake from a nice dream and he doesn't even know what's going on, and the owls don't know that the man doesn't give a shit so they're gonna keep trying to bother him when in reality, it's not him that's being bothered but the cat, so I think WHAT IT ALL RELLEH MEENS MAN, is that there's three typa people on this planet- the owls (and bats I guess), the men, and the cats. The owl typa people are always trying to stir shit up and maybe even awaken people to the truths and all that, but they focus on the 'men' typa people who are just like, they just want to be left alone and not be bothered and they have mastered the art of apathy, so it's essentially futile just the owls coming at the men. I mean you have to respect their persistence I guess but at the end of the day it just doesn't do anything as far as what the owls are trying to accomplish goes anyway, but then you have the cats of the world that are down in the corner TRYING to sleep and just trying to do their own thing, but they unlike the men-people cannot just turn a blind eye to the truths that the owls are trying to bring, so even though they don't want to listen they are pretty much forced to because of their mental construction. Basically the cats want to not give a fuck but they end up absolutely giving a fuck insofar as the owls remain persistent, but ironically the owls aren't even trying to get the cat-people to care (I don't know why) but instead are focused on the men-people. I think the cat people slowly turn into owl-people without the owl-people even knowing, thus the owl flock grows larger and larger and maybe that's the point is that without knowing it, the persistence of the owls turns the cats into owls and they are so busy pecking at the men-people that they don't even notice their owl-herd is growing because of the cat-people's conversion and eventually, finally, just MAYBE, the owl-people's flock is large enough to awaken the men-people but at that point climate change will have us living in a Water World and it won't really matter anymore. :(

    mang, I noticed that cat too and he kinds bugs me. I was just settled on it being poorly drawn owl but then the painting isn't called "The Sleep of Reason Produces Strictly Flighted Animals And Here's a Cat With No Apparent Role in the Scene" so I'll buy it.

    I guess the moral of the story is stick to your guns on not giving a fuck or you'll become an annoying ass owl? Or is it that if you harass niggas enough you'll never convince them but might convince someone else you weren't really thinking about in the first place? I kinda like the second one more.
  5. #5
    Malice Naturally Camouflaged
    "The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters"

    Certainly true, just look at societies in Africa or the Middle East. I've also thought about the progression of schizophrenia, the breakdown of causality, associations being created without a solid logical foundation; it would really be terrifying, just having reality fall apart into a chaotic mess.
  6. #6
    Lanny motherfucker
    Do you really think the barbarism we see in those places is a product of the populace failing to be reasonable though? I mean is your typical midwest american blue collar worker really the mental force behind the achievements of western civilization and our paragon of reason? Can we even say they think much more deeply about the nature of their experience and world than their impoverished african counterpart? Our culture has almost always been advanced through the efforts a fairly small number of people who came into some amount of power, either their own or by force of their ideas. Newton talked about standing on the shoulders of giants, but even for all the giants the west has produced the vast majority of us stand exactly no taller than we are raised up. The same can be said of all peoples. If the proletariat fails to see farther it is not for a lack of stature but for a lack of giants.
  7. #7
    Malice Naturally Camouflaged
    " Can we even say they think much more deeply about the nature of their experience and world than their impoverished african counterpart? "

    Yes! Hopefully you can control your leftist predispositions and the effects of that destructive culture long enough to be honest with yourself.

    I mean, come on, have you ever had the experience of trying to have an intelligent conversation, explain certain concepts, to the average black person? The average white person is dumb as shit, but my god are most brown people far worse. The on average differences are immense and there's so much data to support this. It isn't simply due to a lack of giants by any means.
  8. #8
    arthur treacher African Astronaut
    This thread amused me for a while.
  9. #9
    Sophie Pedophile Tech Support
    Yee, some niggas be on dat block all philosophomising 'bout dat on dat green nahmean? They be all like; yo, nigga this be some deep shit when them mawfuggas realize that in dey process of stealing some dumb honkeys tape playa, in all actuality results in mo' cost to dey selves in da long run cuz da popo, be all like. Daaaaaang these niggas be on dat hood shit stealing da white man's tape playa and all them civilians gon' be like; hey yo! What bout my god damn tape playa nigga? And all them popo be coming on dat block fucking shit up for ya'll niggas where as if dey niggas were like; but lets take dem ethics into consideration before nicking dat tape playa we wouldn't be all up in dis here mess ya feel blood?
  10. #10
    mmQ Cum Lickin' Fagit
    Yee, some niggas be on dat block all philosophomising 'bout dat on dat green nahmean? They be all like; yo, nigga this be some deep shit when them mawfuggas realize that in dey process of stealing some dumb honkeys tape playa, in all actuality results in mo' cost to dey selves in da long run cuz da popo, be all like. Daaaaaang these niggas be on dat hood shit stealing da white man's tape playa and all them civilians gon' be like; hey yo! What bout my god damn tape playa nigga? And all them popo be coming on dat block fucking shit up for ya'll niggas where as if dey niggas were like; but lets take dem ethics into consideration before nicking dat tape playa we wouldn't be all up in dis here mess ya feel blood?

  11. #11
    Sophie Pedophile Tech Support

    Sometimes when niggers get high they think about these things, they sometimes realize that stealing a lot of tape players is bad for them in the long run because now more police will come to there area which will suck for them so they wished they gave the ethics of stealing some consideration before doing so, so they wouldn't be in that predicament.

    Or something.
  12. #12
    -SpectraL coward [the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]
    You people worry me.
  13. #13
    You people worry me.
    When ever your worried is when the rest of us get that warm fuzzy feeling that everything is going to work out for the best.
  14. #14
    mmQ Cum Lickin' Fagit
    When ever your worried is when the rest of us get that warm fuzzy feeling that everything is going to work out for the best.

    *you're
  15. #15
    Lanny motherfucker
    " Can we even say they think much more deeply about the nature of their experience and world than their impoverished african counterpart? "

    Yes! Hopefully you can control your leftist predispositions and the effects of that destructive culture long enough to be honest with yourself.

    I mean, come on, have you ever had the experience of trying to have an intelligent conversation, explain certain concepts, to the average black person? The average white person is dumb as shit, but my god are most brown people far worse. The on average differences are immense and there's so much data to support this. It isn't simply due to a lack of giants by any means.

    Is there a difference between the mean intelligence of the two populations? The answer is yes for almost any pairing but that's not the relevant question. The question you're faced with is if that delta exists, is it large enough to explain differences in outcomes? I mean if every person with an IQ under 100 became 10 points smarter would that get us anywhere, on a civilizational level, any faster? The fact remains that our civilization is advanced by a small number of exceptional individuals. No number of slightly-better-than-average members of the general population are going to invent calculus or create a masterwork of art.

    Besides, I'm still not convinced there's any greater depth to the thought process of your typical westerner than your typical african. Even if americans can do significantly more arithmetic or logic puzzles or what have you, this establishes nothing about their relative ability to engage with more sophisticated concepts required for moral philosophy, as is the relevant quality here.
  16. #16
    Sophie Pedophile Tech Support
    Besides, I'm still not convinced there's any greater depth to the thought process of your typical westerner than your typical african.

    If this is true then why has Africa always been a shithole even before slavery.
  17. #17
    Lanny motherfucker
    If this is true then why has Africa always been a shithole even before slavery.

    Again, my thesis is that civilization is advanced by a small number of exceptional people who happen to have power. If a culture doesn't produce exceptional people, or fails to endow them with appropriate power, I'll argue it is unlikely to advance. Consider the infrastructure needed to produce meaningful advancement in the west. You don't get Plato without rich patrons, you don't get Wilkes without universities and you don't get democracy without someone who believes in it having comparable power to a monarch. We can fully explain differences in outcomes without ever posting a dependence on greater or lesser mean intelligence of populations.
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  18. #18
    Nil African Astronaut [the overexcited four-footed chanar]
    some of these old threads are gold.

    GOLD JERRY
  19. #19
    Lanny motherfucker
    Fucking owls man
  20. #20
    frala Avant garde shartist
    Originally posted by Lanny It's also a metaphor for dissociatives. Like you take some drugs and them lay down and then some owls hop out yo back and be all like "yeee lil nigga, just rest, we gonna go fuck some shit uuuuuuppppp" except that sleeping nigga aint asleep or dead or whatever, he just be in lockup and you and the boys be runnin dem streets but then when OG reason gets back he be commin back wit a chopper and nigga yall feathery niggas best watch you ass except instead of like badass street justice there's just shame.

    Jesus fucking Christ
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