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I expressed a moderate opinion last night and got called far right (irl)
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2015-10-25 at 5:55 AM UTCWrite something...
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2015-10-25 at 5:59 AM UTCOne of these people, whom I consider a drinking buddy, has spoken about forming a "vanguard" before. I've tried to talk him out of it, saying it's going too far, and he'd end up doing what Breivik did. But how wrong was I. It turns out he's a progressive and he said I was like Breivik for suggesting minimal border control.
So what the fuck kind of vanguard was he talking about? -
2015-10-25 at 6:40 AM UTCLooks like you fucked shit up. Lost out on forming the vanguard.
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2015-10-25 at 6:49 AM UTCWas a girl there?
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2015-10-25 at 6:53 AM UTC
Was a girl there?
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2015-10-25 at 6:54 AM UTCBut honestly, all that talk of forming a vanguard weirds me the fuck out. He said he spent the day "recruiting".
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2015-10-25 at 6:59 AM UTCProbably read The Traditionalist Handbook by Julius Evola and got super sentimental for a month and decided to live the traditional way and pussied out.
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2015-10-25 at 7 AM UTC
Probably read The Traditionalist Handbook by Julius Evola and got super sentimental for a month and decided to live the traditional way and pussied out.
I don't think you read the first post. I thought he was a far-right lunatic, but it turns out he's a far-left lunatic.
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2015-10-25 at 7:36 AM UTCI read it. Its just that the book i referenced is chalk full of ideas on forming a vanguard to fight subversion. Which could be interpreted as favorable by a liberal or a conservative.
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2015-10-25 at 9 AM UTC
Basically I said that you have to balance altruism with national security, and that you can't just let all the "refugees" into Europe. They went apeshit.
I thought this bullshit only existed on the internet.
Where did this occur? -
2015-10-25 at 10:38 AM UTC
Where did this occur?
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2015-10-25 at 10:43 AM UTCThis world has shifted so far to the left that moderate now appears far right.
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2015-10-25 at 11:28 AM UTC
This world has shifted so far to the left that moderate now appears far right.
My country is basically Sweden Liteâ„¢ -
2015-10-25 at 6:26 PM UTC
This world has shifted so far to the left that moderate now appears far right.
Hahah, typical right reactionism. You say literally the exact opposite of the truth in order to make your own extremist position appear moderate. -
2015-10-25 at 8 PM UTC
Hahah, typical right reactionism. You say literally the exact opposite of the truth in order to make your own extremist position appear moderate.
No Lan, wanting some border control is not an extremist position. Niether is it racist, how well has immigration worked out so far? I'd love to live in a world where immigration is just called moving but when there is a state or more appropriately a welfare state involved this is simply not possible.
Immigration is even silly within the statist paradigm, although i suppose importing democrat voting mexifags is beneficial to the democratic party. Even if we accept the 'social-contract' we can safely say that a great number of immigrants have never paid into the system and therefore shouldn't be entitled to benefits. They go to the states and due to liberal social policies are immediately entitled to benefits and they're happy to make use of them in great number.
http://cis.org/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-Native-Households
Study related.
Besides, multiculturalism undermines social cohesion by eroding the trust of the populace in one another and between the diverse ethnical groups.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...176.x/abstract
Study related.
To conclude, instead of calling 'diversity-skeptics' extremist and bigots. I'd say they have the more rational approach to the situation and facts seem to support this viewpoint.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2015-10-25 at 11:12 PM UTC
Hahah, typical right reactionism. You say literally the exact opposite of the truth in order to make your own extremist position appear moderate.
Do you honestly believe there hasn't been a massive overall leftward shift in government policy and culture? Unless you buy into this incredibly moronic nonsense of the 50s and 60s being the golden age of progressive policy with the rich taxed 90% (Shame on you if you bought into this, you should be intelligent enough to see the problems with this argument.).
Due to political polarization, even massive changes in geographical distribution: http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Sort-Clustering-Like-Minded/dp/0547237723
in many areas genuinely moderate opinions, as opposed to moderates and independents in name only, who agree with leftists/Democrats on nearly every major issue and always vote for their candidates, are seen as right-wing or far-right.
http://heterodoxacademy.org/2015/09/14/bbs-paper-on-lack-of-political-diversity/
The social sciences have the strongest political biases of all, just look at a list of majors by the political ideology of the professors. Of course you generally don't care about bias as long as it's in line with your bias and have a vast array of massive cognitive biases, emotional responses and skewing, that makes you see what you want to see. Leftist viewpoints are just the standard to you and you often don't even see them as being leftist, they don't cause any negative emotional reaction, but once a right-wing viewpoint comes along it triggers a massive negative emotional response and you flip the fuck out. I'm not referring to you specifically, necessarily, just modern leftists in general, particularly MOON PERSONs, but don't want to edit this. Another problem is that you're so far left in some ways that you may genuinely see many aspects of the world leaning heavily to the right, when in reality it's simply because your reference point is so extreme.
Think of how many sectors of society, how many major metropolitan/economic regions, are dominated by the left. -
2015-10-29 at 2:20 AM UTCThe immigration thing is because the birth rates of western countries isn't enough to sustain itself...there just aren't going to be enough people. That is why our governments are frantically trying to import people. And pretty much, the fault lies with the liberal use of birth control and abortion.
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2015-10-29 at 2:25 AM UTC
And pretty much, the fault lies with the liberal use of birth control and abortion.
as I understand it that explosion's largely a result of the cost of raising kids rising way faster than average incomes -
2016-01-08 at 8:16 AM UTC
No Lan, wanting some border control is not an extremist position. Niether is it racist, how well has immigration worked out so far? I'd love to live in a world where immigration is just called moving but when there is a state or more appropriately a welfare state involved this is simply not possible.
Seems to me that immigration is the reason why the US of A exists. If remember correctly, wasn't the first wave of immigrants (aka pilgrims) coming here to escape (mainly catholic) oppression in Europe? That and the allure of a political clean slate and riches yet unclaimed? Land! Fucking property, just laying there, waiting for the taking. This did have a pretty negative effect on the local population though, I think they've been rounded and forced to live in casinos.
Your argument relates to poor people moving to better off places, but my personal experience tells me that it's hard even for better off people moving to better off places. You'd be fucking surprised how much animosity and prejudice there is. I've had people go silent and ignore me in middle of a conversation because they found out where I'm from. I've had people go from nice to lying to me with a straight face when they noticed my surname.
Eroding trust between diverse ethnic groups - well, maybe these ethnic groups should fucking reevaluate their perceptions of other ethnic groups? One way to do this is to bring these groups closer, make them face similar challenges as a single community, sort of like that Lord of the Flies IRL experiment.
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2016-01-08 at 12:46 PM UTC
Seems to me that immigration is the reason why the US of A exists. If remember correctly, wasn't the first wave of immigrants (aka pilgrims) coming here to escape (mainly catholic) oppression in Europe? That and the allure of a political clean slate and riches yet unclaimed? Land! Fucking property, just laying there, waiting for the taking. This did have a pretty negative effect on the local population though, I think they've been rounded and forced to live in casinos.
Your argument relates to poor people moving to better off places, but my personal experience tells me that it's hard even for better off people moving to better off places. You'd be fucking surprised how much animosity and prejudice there is. I've had people go silent and ignore me in middle of a conversation because they found out where I'm from. I've had people go from nice to lying to me with a straight face when they noticed my surname.
Eroding trust between diverse ethnic groups - well, maybe these ethnic groups should fucking reevaluate their perceptions of other ethnic groups? One way to do this is to bring these groups closer, make them face similar challenges as a single community, sort of like that Lord of the Flies IRL experiment.
Hurr durr America was founded by immigrants, sure, but way back when we didn't have a welfare state. People integrated into the dominant culture and all was well. Also i don't care about poor people moving to richer countries if they contribute to the economy and not just leech off the tax-payers money. If you had read the studies i posted you'd see immigrants are over repressented in welfare programs while never having paid into the system.
Anyway, you sound like a socialist. And your argument of "maybe these ethnic groups should fucking reevaluate their perceptions of other ethnic groups" sounds nice and all but it doesn't work like that, everyone has in-group bias, and that goes for whites, niggers and mexicans.
