2018-12-15 at 6:22 AM UTC
How is it able to coordinate that?
2018-12-15 at 6:38 AM UTC
mirror neurons or some shit idk
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gadzooks
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Although, upon further reflection, it might even be hardwired to some degree as well...
Or basically a combination thereof.
A very depressing, but high scientifically informative, case study tells us a lot about this particular phenomenon...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)This poor gal was basically locked up in a room with zero interaction with anyone outside the home.
Her own parent's rarely even communicated with her.
She's apparently passed the point where a human being is even capable of learning to communicate.
Super sad.
But super informative!
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2018-12-15 at 7:53 AM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks
I was actually about to come in here with some long winded, detailed explanation (gotta put that degree in psychology to good use somewhere), but basically, yeah.
"Mirror neurons or some shit idk."
That could be like an entire chapter of a neuroscience textbook.
Don't let my shitposting keep you from making a genuinely insightful post about mirror neurons and shit if the mood strikes you. That stuff is voodoo to me, but still neat to read about.
Originally posted by gadzooks
Although, upon further reflection, it might even be hardwired to some degree as well…
Or basically a combination thereof.
A very depressing, but high scientifically informative, case study tells us a lot about this particular phenomenon…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)
This poor gal was basically locked up in a room with zero interaction with anyone outside the home.
Her own parent's rarely even communicated with her.
She's apparently passed the point where a human being is even capable of learning to communicate.
Super sad.
But super informative!
That is fucking sad, yeah. Fuck. Her dad is/was an absolute shit. There's only a couple ways that abuse could have been any worse, and they really aren't fun to think about.
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2018-12-15 at 7:57 AM UTC
GGG
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[my veinlike two-fold aepyornidae]
gadzooks, what do you have to say on Genie's language skills? You're more knowledgeable to me and the entire idea that our ability to language effectively can just atrophy is absolutely insane to me. Weird how humans are so damn sociable that this almost never happens.
There's this one dude who I cannot find that got raised by wolves. I believe it was in Africa. I remember only vaguely, there was a documentary on him. His language developed to the point he was able to give an interview. He was a successful musician. Was such a cool documentary. You know who I'm talking about?
2018-12-15 at 11:08 AM UTC
gadzooks
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So basically, we have a short window of opportunity to learn language, apparently.
If we are not taught language (and usually, that just means being around other human beings who speak the same verbal language as us), we actually risk missing the opportunity to do so.
I mean, think about it, how many people ever end up in Genie's situation, or the feral African wolf kid?
I can't say I'm all that familiar with the feral wolf kid from Africa, although there is a tale about a feral wolf-raised kid from somewhere in Europe some few hundred years ago.
Generally speaking, I approach these cases with skepticism, to be honest. Genie's case is well-documented. I'm not so sure about the African kid, although it is certainly possible.
But if this kid was exclusively around wolves during his formative years, I have to say, I doubt the veracity of the story if he actually ended up learning to communicate effectively.
Granted, Genie is a single case study, and it can seem like a stretch to apply that kind of thing to all humans everywhere. But there is other evidence, such as neurobiological studies, and other anthropological/sociological experiements, that have come to similar conclusions.
Linguistically, we are confined to a certain brief window during childhood to gain any skill.
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2018-12-15 at 11:11 AM UTC
gadzooks
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Oh, and mirror neurons are huge.
I am by no means an expert on mirror neurons, but I have definitely learned a thing or two about them.
Some researchers call them the foundation of civilization.
It's said to be how we went from feral apes to skyscraper-dwelling homo sapiens.
So on both a macro scale (i.e. the pages of history), as well as a micro scale (individuals growing up around other humans and learning from them), mirror neurons are a major contributor to our development.
2018-12-15 at 3:48 PM UTC
-SpectraL
coward
[the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]
Through the ass. The ass acts as the interpreter.
2018-12-15 at 5:29 PM UTC
GGG
victim of incest
[my veinlike two-fold aepyornidae]
From what I remember the african wolf kid was abandoned at like 4 and would steal/get into fights with villagers as he got older. So he did have some exposure to humanity but iirc he couldn't talk at age 4 because of abuse/neglect which is why he ran away.
Does anybody know the documentary I'm talking about? He was on the front page of reddit in TIL a while ago.
