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Psychedelics are fool's gold

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    I don't think psychs reveal any higher order truths. I don't think anyone who does psychs has a "truly" transcendental experience. Ultimately it is just a hallucination induced by the brain in a state of extreme suggestibility.

    It can lead to some positive outcomes but ultimately it gives us easy, convincing delusions of cosmic oneness, transcendence etc to face ourselves towards, to avoid facing the truth. Now psychedelics have become the new "spiritual" frontier. It's become the new bastion for crackers with existential angst to be religious, now that religion is a joke.

    Human beings are a tragic species. I think the long term happiness of mankind will heavily hinge on hs coming to grips with the fact that self awareness is a cosmic joke; the sooner we accept the absurdity of our position, the quicker we can get to doing something worthwhile with our time.
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    mashlehash victim of incest [my perspicuously dependant flavourlessness]
    You lost your virginity after the first time you masturbated.
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    Originally posted by mashlehash You lost your virginity after the first time you masturbated.

    All lil boys' peepers touch their mamas on the way out ok. Original sin.
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    gadzooks Dark Matter [keratinize my mild-tasting blossoming]
    Originally posted by Mr Gay Men Watch I don't think psychs reveal any higher order truths. I don't think anyone who does psychs has a "truly" transcendental experience. Ultimately it is just a hallucination induced by the brain in a state of extreme suggestibility.

    It can lead to some positive outcomes but ultimately it gives us easy, convincing delusions of cosmic oneness, transcendence etc to face ourselves towards, to avoid facing the truth. Now psychedelics have become the new "spiritual" frontier. It's become the new bastion for crackers with existential angst to be religious, now that religion is a joke.

    Human beings are a tragic species. I think the long term happiness of mankind will heavily hinge on hs coming to grips with the fact that self awareness is a cosmic joke; the sooner we accept the absurdity of our position, the quicker we can get to doing something worthwhile with our time.

    This was surprisingly insightful coming from someone named "Mr Gay Men Watch".

    It's true, an existential void has been created with the death of religion, officially declared by Nietzsche over a century ago.

    Drugs are a way of experiencing something beyond day-to-day experience, and allows us to truly feel.

    Accepting the absurdity of our condition is no simple task.

    In fact, I am coming to believe that it is literally impossible, and all we can do is keep on trying, with whatever resources are available to us (religion, drugs, gene therapy, transhumanism, etc).

    Only in death are we released from this void.
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    Lanny motherfucker
    Originally posted by Mr Gay Men Watch Human beings are a tragic species. I think the long term happiness of mankind will heavily hinge on hs coming to grips with the fact that self awareness is a cosmic joke; the sooner we accept the absurdity of our position, the quicker we can get to doing something worthwhile with our time.

    That seems a lot like the kind of observation many people take away from psychedelic experiences. Sure, psychedelic drugs can generate bizarre spiritual fedora tipping redux in abundance, but recognition of the basic absurdity of the phenomenal is also not an uncommon report from people having psychedelic experiences.

    Also ima play MK or something in ultimate. I thought about picking up a low tier and grinding and trying to push the meta but then I realized fuck that, I want that free shit. I don't care if some fucking 17 year old kid with the reaction times of a god can make my main do amazing things. I'm an old drunk cunt and I think I'm metabolically incapable of reacting that fast, I want some jank ass character with giant ass hitboxes that can take a stock off a read and gimp flowchart. I don't want to be struggling with an opponent at 130 because I can't fucking combo anymore. I don't want an RSI because I need to do enough inputs to destroy my controller in a month or two of heavy play. I want that free shit.
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    Odigo Messenger - Now With Free 911 Service Houston [back fudge my lingam]
    Psychedelics may be useful for forcing people to come to an "insight" and basically rewiring the brain. There has been a lot of research done on this, including on the use of psychedelics as brainwashing tools.

    But I don't trust any drug one bit.
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    Ghost Black Hole (banned)
    I'm pretty sure I communicated with God but I was really high so who knows
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    Originally posted by Lanny That seems a lot like the kind of observation many people take away from psychedelic experiences. Sure, psychedelic drugs can generate bizarre spiritual fedora tipping redux in abundance, but recognition of the basic absurdity of the phenomenal is also not an uncommon report from people having psychedelic experiences.

    Of course, but the drug itself is simply a catalyst for your own thinking, not a source of answers. I'm confident anyone can be convinced of any old shit if they dive into it by just trusting the drug as an externalised source of knowledge. You will see this type of idea being popularized (although not explicitly condoned) by the terminology that popular psychedelic culture uses, for example "plant teacher". Psychedelics can be a powerful tool but a tool needs to be guided, and I argue the guiding hand is the important part.

    Also ima play MK or something in ultimate. I thought about picking up a low tier and grinding and trying to push the meta but then I realized fuck that, I want that free shit. I don't care if some fucking 17 year old kid with the reaction times of a god can make my main do amazing things. I'm an old drunk cunt and I think I'm metabolically incapable of reacting that fast, I want some jank ass character with giant ass hitboxes that can take a stock off a read and gimp flowchart. I don't want to be struggling with an opponent at 130 because I can't fucking combo anymore. I don't want an RSI because I need to do enough inputs to destroy my controller in a month or two of heavy play. I want that free shit.

    Big mood. My fingers aren't doing so great any more. I tried playing Melee again last weekend, I cannot combo any more with Fox because I'm just not fast enough, even with Falco and Falcon I can only do some basic cheesy chains.

    For Ultimate, I am eyeing Roy. Hopefully he will be like a slightly chunkier, harder hitting Marth but actually usable and capable of finishing this time.
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    RisiR † 29 Autism
    Does Smash Brothers even have hard combos? The Smash community seems pretentious as fuck. Pretty sure I could be top tier within a couple of weeks.
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    RisiR † 29 Autism
    Does the Switch even support 60fps? If not then I don't even...
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    Originally posted by RisiR † Does Smash Brothers even have hard combos? The Smash community seems pretentious as fuck. Pretty sure I could be top tier within a couple of weeks.

    It did in Melee and 64, but not since.

    Brawl had zero combos due to low hitstun, same thing with Smash 4, very few true combos.


    64 combos were too real, almost any character can end you after one hit because the hitstun is too long. Melee had the best combo balance thus far.
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    Originally posted by RisiR † Does the Switch even support 60fps? If not then I don't even…

    Even Nintendo 64 supported 60 FPS.
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    RisiR † 29 Autism
    I only played those two. I was pretty good with Ness and Pikachu.
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    RisiR † 29 Autism
    Originally posted by Mr Gay Men Watch Even Nintendo 64 supported 60 FPS.

    Really? Pretty sure the Euro version used PAL as standard which is capped at 50fps. The fucking regular PS4 and XBOX one are capped at 30. What a shitshow.
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    Originally posted by Mr Gay Men Watch Of course, but the drug itself is simply a catalyst for your own thinking, not a source of answers. I'm confident anyone can be convinced of any old shit if they dive into it by just trusting the drug as an externalised source of knowledge. You will see this type of idea being popularized (although not explicitly condoned) by the terminology that popular psychedelic culture uses, for example "plant teacher". Psychedelics can be a powerful tool but a tool needs to be guided, and I argue the guiding hand is the important part.

    People who take every insight or notion provided from a psychedelic drug without a grain of salt are always very unintelligent people. I wouldn't say that means psychedelics are "fool's gold." I've felt some bizarre sensations on psychs, like once I was able to FEEL karma. I could feel its existence like it was totally real. But the intellectual part of my mind knows that's bullshit. That doesn't "teach" me that karma is real, but it taught me that my perception can be easily modified by the emotional aspects of my thinking, and even if it feels 100% real, it can just be an illusion. People who don't have experience with psychedelics are more prone to believing whatever they "feel" because they are not as aware of how feelings can be easily changed.

    In that sense it is a teacher. I get what you mean though and generally agree.
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    Lanny motherfucker
    Originally posted by Mr Gay Men Watch Big mood. My fingers aren't doing so great any more. I tried playing Melee again last weekend, I cannot combo any more with Fox because I'm just not fast enough, even with Falco and Falcon I can only do some basic cheesy chains.

    For Ultimate, I am eyeing Roy. Hopefully he will be like a slightly chunkier, harder hitting Marth but actually usable and capable of finishing this time.

    I was thinking about Roy too, looks like pretty good frame data and he hits hard. Marth is my melee main and I was thinking about picking him up in ultimate too and I don't know if the two characters with reversed sweet spots are going to fuck things up or not. I would like to have at least a decent secondary that's not like 90% spacing, I like that playstyle but sometimes I just want to go in with some crazy crossup shine dair style shield pressure hotness.

    Originally posted by RisiR † Does Smash Brothers even have hard combos? The Smash community seems pretentious as fuck. Pretty sure I could be top tier within a couple of weeks.

    Yeah, like CF said, 64 and Melee do. The DI system makes it different than more traditional fighters, it's not like you get a hit confirm and just muscle memory the rest of your combo. The defending player has some control of their trajectory off of each hit so it's generally possible to exit a combo, so much more "interactive" between the attacking and defending players, especially in melee. The DI system is really cool in general, it influences a lot of different aspects of the game.
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    RisiR † 29 Autism
    Fire Emblem characters are the worst. Sheik is shit, too. I'll fuck your shit up with Pikachu.
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    One thing to note is, if you can't combo in Melee or 64, it's probably because you are not L cancelling, so you will be considerably slower.
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    Zanick victim of incest [my p.a. supernal goa]
    They function as a negation of familiar consciousness, a methodology which I would argue is intrinsically valuable to our mental evolution. Why must you qualify the phenomena experienced through psychedelics as "real" or "unreal" as though they must be epistemologically valid in order to be truly meaningful?

    Whether we are subject to a simulation of oneness, nonduality, transcendence, etc. is beside the point; your brain is undergoing real chemical changes and that are actually conceiving these states of being as best as it can approximate. The fact that we derive meaning from these experiences suggests less about psychedelics than it does about the very human tendency to render strange objects coherent to our sober mind.
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    gadzooks Dark Matter [keratinize my mild-tasting blossoming]
    OP up in here talking about drugs being the last spiritual frontier before we are forced to accept our existential fate, embracing the fear, trembling, and angst as we face the reality of the big cosmic joke, and y'all niggas talkin' about some video games and shit?

    Got damn.

    I mean, I like me some N64 as much as the next person (Goldeneye anyone?), but this here thread is some REAL SHIT.

    If drugs and religion aren't the answer, then what is?

    (And please don't say some Pokemon or some shit).
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