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Mescaline cacti info - a/b extraction from powdered/live cacti flesh - Tea recipe

  1. #1
    pibblesonacid Yung Blood
    Looking around, i don't see much info regarding Mescaline. I'll provide some basic info on the active species, the "Green Bean Juice" method of Tea preparation, then my method of extracting Mescaline from either dry powdered cacti flesh, or living active cacti. I'll also throw in an extraction tip that kept me from a manufacturing charge over a decade ago.

    I'll not delve into cultivation, there are other forums and sites with plenty of info on growing them and getting them into their dormant cycle over the winter. (I've heard that's when they produce the Mescaline, when they go dormant overwinter. I don't have any sources though.)

    Mescaline HCL "Dirty Sanchez" is my all time favorite hallucinogen. I ordered 15+ kilos from Peru around 2005 and figured out by reading guides by other entheogen OMC Forum Members (ME! RiP) the way that was most efficient for me.

    I have straight up abused this substance, It's the smoothest trip to me. The only Psychedelic I've ever fallen asleep during the come up is Mescaline, (eat the dose then kick back listening to a Grateful Dead show on headphones, wake up 8 hours later) I did that 3 different times. it's that smooth for me. At the tail end around 18 hours after a heavy 300ugLSD+300mgMescHCL combo for a TOOL show at Bonnaroo 2007. I took 500mg of MescHCL around every 6 hours for a total of around 2000mg in around 24hrs, (can't be certain, trippin balls, ya see?) That was just to keep on partying for all the shows and was not on a "fresh head full of serotonin".. Mescaline and LSD is my favorite combo trip, they compliment each other so well. like PB + J baby.

    I like my trips heavy, but..

    ****--> DO NOT TAKE A HUGE DOSE of **ANYTHING** FOR THE FIRST TIME <--****

    ***FIRST DOSE IS THE ALLERGY TEST DOSE*** like around 10mg, just to see if you're allergic or sensitive to it (ExGF was allergic, got a rash all over)

    **24+ HOURS AFTER THE ALLERGY TEST DOSE - Recommended Starting Dosage** is about 250-300mg for a lean 140lb-160lb person. Maybe 300-350mg for 200lbs. as always, start low and in "the shallow end" the first time then wade out deeper as you get to know it over a few different experiences

    *Set and Setting is more important that dosage* (mindSET - how ya feel about yourself,your life, your outlook, the ethical and moral path you're choosing in life)(**SETTING** - your physical location and surroundings. The people your with and what you're doing) For example, don't eat a dose if ya gotta watch your kids or be at work in 18 hours, Don't eat a dose around a bunch of folks you don't really like or trust or folks that have shitty attitudes. Don't eat a dose if you're anxious or nervous about tripping or if you don't 100% want to trip. I've seen a sliver of doubt snowball into a full blown bad trip for a person with lots of trippin hours logged. When it comes to entheogens and psychedelic experiences I've found it's the most fun and enjoyable if you're 100% all about it and completely engaged in the experience. (in there like swim wear)

    **I always liked to keep a "Risperdal" (anti-psychotic med pill i got from a buddy)on hand when doing,guiding,around hallucinogens. I've had a couple not so fun ones and one with a buddy when his father died in the other room. Usually knocked the visuals out and made the mental side "smaller and slower" for me. Pretty much stopped the L trip for my friend when his dad died. I've seen a half a Risperdal turn a crusty wild eyed wook, whos having a freakout at a show about to get bounced and/or arrested, 180 degrees into a laughing friendly stranger enjoying a RatDog show who had some great stories who eventually became a "show buddy" of mine. I'm only saying that a Risperdal antipsychotic pill personally flatlined a trip for me when i wanted or needed to be kinda sober.

    Ok. Enough with the warnings and tales i feel need to be included.




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    Active Species and Proven Clones of Cacti**

    One great thing about cacti is that they are super easy to clone or make a "cutting". Basically just make ya cut where ya want. You'll have a rooted cacti from the pot up to the cut, then the cutting which is the cut to the growth tip. To root the cutting, wrap the cutting in newspaper in a dry dark spot for a few weeks until the cut is scabbed over then set the cutting scab side down in a new pot with the well draining soil mix, what ya want to do is set the calloused cut on a thin layer of perlite between the cut and the soil with the soil just pushed up enough to hold it no more than 1/8 inch, place in low light with zero water and the cacti will start throwing roots after a week or so, after roots are visible, you can push the soil up over the callous enough to hold it with a very light watering. The cutting will seem to pull itself upright where it wants to be, just push the soil up and around maybe 1/4inch.
    The potted cut without a growth tip will callous over, i just set it in low light in the shade and zero water for a couple weeks. keep moisture off the cut. after it callouses over, eventually it will throw a "pup" which is a clone of the original.

    Cacti growing is tricky at first but once you figure out the water cycle and get them acclimated to your climate, well, if you neglect a cactus enough to kill it after its established, then you have the opposite of a green thumb. Its tough to neglect a cacti enough to kill it. Watering more than once every 1 or 2 weeks is no good, you want a quick draining soil mix and water it enough to dampen the soil maybe once a week. Now that mine are established i just leave them in full sun open sky. if it rains longer than a day I'll pull the cover in place after a day of rain until it quits.

    Ok, My favorite type of cacti it a "trichocerus bridgesii monstrosus clumping variety" aka "The penis plant"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RukUwC1zEEo
    They just grow little pups over and over that don't get bigger than your fist each. I was gifted once in 2005 and it's multiplied to over 15 separate potted clones with over 50 pup clones total. This type of cacti is said to be more potent in Mescaline than Peyote. I've never done peyote since they are endangered and my climate is too humid to grow them and ya need about 100years of peyote growth for enough to have an experience. All i know, a 3 year old TBM pup made into a tea was almost too much... almost. I just like watching them grow, I haven't consumed any of my active cacti since that TBM pup back in 2009. I like the looks of my cacti collection and all them pups.. The potential of it all is what i dig the most.

    The most well known are
    Trichocereus pachanoi - "San Pedro"
    Trichocereus peruvianus - "Peruvian Torch"
    Trichocereus terscheckii - "Cardon Grande"
    Trichocereus bridgesii

    https://erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti.shtml

    I've consumed a Peruvian, may a foot in length and 4 inch diameter was enough for 3 people in tea, and the TBM. Those are the only live specimens I've killed. everything else mescaline wise was from my extraction...

    PM me for info on cultivation forums and info for those interested in growing and having "enough cacti to potentially light up a few city blocks"


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    ****Preparing A Tea from either from a live cutting or dried or powdered flesh.****

    having info on the strength of the specimen either live or dried is helpful, but I've found that when it comes to drinking that earthy grog, my body always let me know I've had enough. Once by feeling "full" in my stomach, another when i started rapidly coming up after drinking nearly half. A little sugar and honey mixed in smoths the taste to close to enjoyable. "Green Bean Juice" we always called it..

    Live doner cacti, at least a foot as much as 3 feet for a narrow 1-2in diameter cacti, less for thicker.. at least a foot in length.

    Dried Flesh powdered or in strips. the equivalent of a cup at least. I've always witnessed large batches made and the participants just drank as much as needed to take them as far as they wanted to go.

    All ya do is add the powdered flesh or dried flesh to a pot of water, bring to boil, lower to soft simmer and add either lemon juice or juice from fresh lemons. you're wanting the mix acidic to break the Mescaline free from the plant matter.

    low simmer adding water when needed for at least 3 hours. I've seen them go for 12+ hours with the Rainbow Tribe, that was a big batch for a big gathering. 20+ people.

    With a live donor cactus, you can pull the "Areolas" (spines) off the cacti with pliers pretty easy then slice like a cucumber then dice into smaller bits and add to the pot. A Immersion Blender makes removing the spines un necessary as it will macerate everything after its been sliced into section then diced smaller.

    When it's cooked long enough, grab an old t-shirt and strain the liquid though the shirt, straining all liquids from the plant matter as possible.. sweeten and flavor to taste or drink it plain if you wanna be a trooper.. It's best for me kinda warm with sugar and honey and maybe a touch of grapefruit juice so the "twang" smooths out the flavor of it all. Green Bean Juice... you'll see

    Super technical procedure right?

    Basically, Make more than needed and share with your people/family/tribe. Tea preparations are best with a group of close friends, family, and connected spirits. You will come to see how and why Peyote and Mescaline has been either a sacrament or a full blown religion to various Natives from the North American South West to Peru to everywhere and back as far as there has been human memory, all over central america and wherever they grew naturally, the indigenous locals incorporated the mescaline experience into their Religion/Nature Worship/Community Bonding/ and Rituals.

    Drinking the Tea has a more spiritual spin which extracted Mescaline doesn't have. All alkaloids from the cacti will change you as you consume the living energy and incorporate it all into what defines *You* in "The Big Here and Now".

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------**Here i ramble on about reality, trips, and get strange since im pretty buzzed and off the rails.

    I may read too much into the Cacti Tea experience/ritual experience, There is a definite Timeless, Boundless, Inter-and-Multi-Dimensional spiritual Energy in the Tea, While Mescaline itself feels Ancient, Intelligent and has a way Teaching you a thing about yourself, your function in everything, and how your outlook can literally create/modify/shift/deconstruct every little bit of everything that makes up everything you will ever experience..

    The countless trips on the "Classic Hallucinogenics" like LSD/DMT/Psylocibin/Mescline/Ayahuasca/ over 20+ years from age 12 to now at 36 has literally changed the way i perceive and interpret all the energy and information that washes over my senses and affects my little spark at the core of my being. Definitely distorted my thought process, but hey.. that was the reason i began so many years ago.. working to become a Quantum Integrated, Chemically Mechanized, Psycho-Informational and Hyper-dimensionally assimilated and extensively abstract cognition compiler and unified Energy/Matter processing and manipulative furnace. Burning my light Brightly and Working to leave every situation and scenario I come across in a better state than i found it..

    I broke the locks and hinges off the "Doors of Perception" in my mind.. It's always open for me, and i go inward and outward simultaneously when i let my mind roam and fly free. how everything comes from me first then out. Each of us is the center of and ultimately in control of our own Universe. My perception is all that will ever be real to me. I'm not even getting into how everyone seems to be sharing a single "Soul", seems like we are experiencing different facets of the same destructo-creavtive re-arranging force through each other. Were all connected by our inner mental space.

    I'm a uniquely chemically altered being. The stuff I've experienced and Info/Energy I've discovered during my trips has definitely driven lesser folks pants on head fookin crazy and corrupt man. lol

    I'm a spuntard'd loon folks, i get "Free TripFlashTravel Tickets" when I drink Alcohol. I'll write and post the Mescaline a/b Extraction after i sober up and anchor my thoughts down, i'm all over the place right now..

    Cacti Tea feels like a transferrance of spiritual energy from the cacti working to help make a better, smarter, stronger, improved, and upgraded version of Yourself as you incorporate the lifeforce on the plant into your chemical composition. Mescaline is like an Ancient Teacher working to enlighten your mind and Provide a Mentoring Force to enlighten, clarify, simplify then will Teach yourself things about yourself and your experience that can make life a little smoother and easier to process.. it focused on teaching me the power of my perception personally. how It al starts with the initial mental force,outwardly reaching while either positively, negatively, or neutrally charged can change our outlook from our perspective and how that will then condense then manifest into our reality with a Positive, Negative or Null inflection for ourselves to experience... makes sense to me, helps me manage and keep from going supernova from information, stress and energy overload.


    Extraction Guide up next



    :peace:

    PoA
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  2. #2
    stupid noob VICTIM of farm equipment [the momentously grade-constructed phasmatodea]
    Tea is shit because you can't actually measure the dose you are taking since alkaloid content varies from plant to plant. A/B extraction is the only proper way to go.
  3. #3
    pibblesonacid Yung Blood
    Agree with ya there.
  4. #4
    pibblesonacid Yung Blood
    Im going to break my Mescaline A/B extraction down into the required steps which will be..

    1 - *Creating a Basic solution containing Cacti*

    1.5 (optional but recommended)*2 week wait so the desired substance (Mescaline) will be freed from the plant matter avoiding emulsions between the Base and the NP.. which means they wont separate from each other*

    2. *Using a Non Polar solvent to "pull" the substance into it, then separating the NP from the Base solution*

    3. *salting the Mescaline from the NP through either titration or gassing with Hydrocloric acid. I'll explain titration into distilled water as that is my preferred and proven method of salting out the chemical. i always failed with gassing*

    4. *Evaporating the distilled water away which leaves a nice light brown (IME) collection of Mescaline HCL crystals, ready to be scraped from the evap dish, a test dose measured out, packed in a gelcap then get that bad boy in ya then riding with it. i lovingly called this "dirty sanchez" since dropping below PH7 to 6 to 6.5PH when salting maybe grabbed some other minor alkaloids or even the "vibe" or "mojo" of the cacti. I'm have no sources other than my experience to back it up. Dead nuts neutral PH7 was closer to white but lacked the "essence" of the 6-6.5 PH of the sanchez.


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    - PPE safety gear of both clear chemical safe eye protection AND nitrile chemical resistant gloves MINIMUM. Lye will burn you bad leaving scars, when lye combines with water.. it can and will blind you if proper caution is not taken
    -1 5 gallon HDPE bucket with the lid (lid is vital) from local chain hardware store.
    -4 gallons of distilled water (h2o2)from grocery store
    - Litmus papers that read up to PH 14
    -1 or 2 bottles of Sodium Hydroxide (lye) available at the hardware store or online
    -Cacti material (dried and powdered ideally) if dried strips, powder it up, i always used powdered so.. figure it out. If using Live cacti, I've heard using a garbage disposal routed to drain into the bucket is the most efficient way,, if not possible.. ya gotta figure out how to macerate the cacti down into the bucket or buckets needed.

    **optional stuff that made this easier for me working alone**
    an old school style flour sifter, the kind you hold in one hand and squeeze handle to sift
    a power drill, either cordless or corded
    a paint mixing paddle attachment for the drill

    This is risky and has the potential to spray caustic alkaline water on you if you do not STOP the drill BEFORE you remove from the water after the lye is added.


    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Creating the Basic solution of h2o2, cacti, lye in the HDPE bucket
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    I would measure out 1 kg of cacti powder then add to flour sifter and place within reach of bucket. (a 1% yield was the norm but differs from cacti source to cacti source)

    add three gallons of h2o2 to the bucket
    -- the reason I add the lye to the water *before* the cacti powder is sifted in is it helps keep the flesh from forming into clumps when added to the water.. which is the reason i slowly sift the powder into the basic moving solution. If cacti powder is dumped into water it will result in a clump that is a pain to distribute in the solution.---**
    open 1 bottle of Lye and place within reach. lye and acid will destroy your clothes so wear your disposable stuff
    make sure safty gear is over eyes and on your hands
    with paint mixing attachment chucked into drill, start it up outside the bucket so you can check drill speed. My drill can adjust the speed by spinning a dial on the trigger that restricts how far the trigger can be pressed. others have a 1-10 dial close to the chuck. adjust the drill speed so its turning slowish.

    STOP DRILL ENTIRELY

    REMOVE mixing paddle from the chuck of drill so it can be used by hand to manually mix the lye into the water

    Check safety glasses and gloves again, take a deep breath, center yourself and focus
    start slowly adding the lye to the water while using the paddle attachment to slowly stir the water... a bit of lye added, then a couple stirs.. add too much and the water will start to boil which can burn you. Keep adding then mixing until the bottle is empty..

    Test the ph of the water to see if PH 14 has been reached. if so, great, if not at PH14, keep adding lye from second bottle until it is.

    take a break, have a smoke or a nice cool poweade.
    Let the water cool down after adding the lye.

    Check safety gear again
    add paddle back into chuck of the drill
    check the speed of drill again OUTSIDE of bucket to make sure its running low and slow.
    Stop drill
    deep breath, focus
    grab flour sifter in hand not operating the drill
    put the motionless paddle mixer into caustic water

    DANGER DANGER DANGER

    check goggles are in place and that gloves are snug
    squint your eyes, look away and stand as far as possible from bucket as possible
    start the drill to start mixing up the water, check speed
    grab flour sifter loaded with cacti flesh and start sifting into the mixing Basic solution.
    whatever pace needed to allow the powder to get in water, get re-hydrated, it will thicken as more powder is added.
    add while mixing until all powder is added or until it thickens to the point of clumping onto end of the paddle

    stop drill, then check the PH of the solution. if at PH14, nice, if not, add more lye remembering to use the paddle to manuaaly mix in until it reads a clear solid 14. extreme purple pushing coal black on my papers.

    remove paddle from bucket making sure to carry directly to a sink or garden hose to spray caustic residue AWAY FROM YOURSELF until clean. once clean remove from drill then store.

    I've been told i use far too much water but it worked well for me. after the 2 week breakdown time, i liked to enhancement the plant matter away from the basic water to make NP pulls more efficient. I would keep the plant matter until i reach a 1% yield, if 1% was reach i would add a gallon of fresh h2o2 to plant matter At PH14 then do a pull from it then salted out via titration to maximize yield.


    The water level should be kept at least 2 inches from the top of bucket.

    Were done with this step so put the lid on and set bucket out of the way and out of sight ideally.

    at least once daily go shake it up (keeping the lid on) to redistribute everything around. shake it daily for 2 weeks. does that seem seem like too long to invest in this to ya? well.. once you deal with a "elephant snot" emulsion and trying heat, vibration, a burst of loud profanity screamed it at.. anything to break the emulsion between the NP solvent and the Base.. after dealing with one I found that giving the caustic action of the alkaline solution time to break the bonds in the plant matter apart avoided ever deal with emulsions ever again.


    If ya dont feel comfortable using the drill and sifter to combine everything together, make sure to slowly add the lye to water, avoiding a boil over, and using something at least LDPE plastic to mix lye into water.

    When adding the cacti powder DO NOT JUST DUMP IT ALL IN. It formed a clump in the water on me during my first extraction. i was never able to really get incorporated in the Basic well enough to satisfy my quality standard. I ended up splitting the 5 gallons between two more 5 gallon solutions to recover what i could in the final yield.


    Step 2 "Pulling" the mesc from the Base using a Non Polar Solvent.

    Start gathering up the supplies while the bonds break apart

    a couple gallons of a NP Solvent - I prefer Toluene but Xylene works also but was tough on the plastic

    A turkey Baster made of solid glass with a thick removable bulb for cleaning *NO PLASTIC BASTERS* they melted on me, a Pipette will work also. whatever to draw the NP off the top of the Base.

    A "Glass Carboy" (pricey and breakable) or a thick HDPE plastic vessel you can look into from the side well enough so you can see to help pull NP of top of Base. I found 5 gallon cubed HDPE containers with a large screw on lid on top and on the bottom most corner was a valve I used to move the base out from under the NP into another container, like how a separatory funnel works, instead of going in from the top to draw the NP off which is tedious.

    Step 2 Np pulls up next!

    PoA
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