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2019-01-17 at 11:49 AM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life Lights require lots of different quantum phenomena, like surface effect, to work.
That means that the universe is governed by invisible rules and effects that we can't see (as they have no material reality) and can't predict without recourse to mathematical probability.
The idea that the universe is objective is wrong, but I don't understand, are you saying ideas don't real or what?
Ideas exists as ideas, not as objective properties of our reality. Something is good because I imagine it is good, not because there is some objective force that makes it good.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-01-17 at 12:08 PM UTCSoyboy IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life African Astronaut [the oppositely able-bodied hop-step-and-jump]
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2019-01-17 at 12:48 PM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life Does a generator objectively exist as such?
All a generator is is an idea and a bunch of atoms.
Does structured matter exist beyond just being matter?
Oh, I agree we can have ideas and make them a reality.
But do you believe there is an objective force we can measure to determine how much goodness or badness specific actions or behaviors have?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-01-17 at 12:59 PM UTC
Originally posted by GGG Make turnips great again
Wrong. There's not much to say about this but I think it's worth the effort.
You don't wanna make it look better than what you're looking for someone to practice. If you want to see for yourself, then you can get names on the right and the best way to get a lower dose of your weight loss is to make sure you are the most important person in your life. You can send pictures and photos from your wedding day.
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2019-01-17 at 1:04 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-01-17 at 1:18 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny But an instrument with a numeric display isn't electrical potential, it's a way of measuring electrical potential. We have no independent, direct, objective access to electrical potential, we need a story about how the reading on the face of a voltmeter is a measurement of an underlying reality. Likewise with morality, we don't have direct access to it but that doesn't mean it's a mere matter of opinion any more than electrical potential is.
bht the goodness or the badness are just the scales on the fave of your voltmeter.
human technology might measure a 5 volt as a 5 volt, but an aliens voltmeter might register our 5 volts as -30 gffhdusn. so to us, a 5 volt is a something positive, to them, its a something negative, despite beimg of having the same electric potential.
to you, a compass might only points north or south, but to us,
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2019-01-17 at 1:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe Ideas exists as ideas, not as objective properties of our reality. Something is good because I imagine it is good, not because there is some objective force that makes it good.
have you been a pedophile, you'd have known that just because you think, or imagine that something is good doesnt make it good.
its what the mob says that matter. not you.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-01-17 at 1:32 PM UTCSoyboy IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life African Astronaut [the oppositely able-bodied hop-step-and-jump]
Originally posted by Obbe But do you believe there is an objective force we can measure to determine how much goodness or badness specific actions or behaviors have?
Is there an objective force that we can measure that tells you how good a generator is, with 100 being the best machine possible, and 0 being a pile of rust?
No?
But some machines are better than others. Not different, but better.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-01-17 at 1:40 PM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life Is there an objective force that we can measure that tells you how good a generator is, with 100 being the best machine possible, and 0 being a pile of rust?
No?
But some machines are better than others. Not different, but better.
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2019-01-17 at 4:13 PM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life Is there an objective force that we can measure that tells you how good a generator is, with 100 being the best machine possible, and 0 being a pile of rust?
No?
But some machines are better than others. Not different, but better.
You cannot objectively measure how "morally good" a generator is. That is exactly what I'm saying. We cannot objectively measure goodness or badness.
However, we can objectively measure electrical potential and efficiency. If your generator is generating the electrical potential you require at an efficient rate, it is an effective generator and definitely is not a pile of rust. And if an effective generator is what I need I might say that is good, but that doesn't mean it is objectively or inherently good.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-01-18 at 8:27 AM UTC§m£ÂgØL, don't spam this thread with your autocomplete bullshit.
Originally posted by Obbe Incorrect. Your light needs a specific voltage to function properly. Whether we refer to this force as 120 volts or 500 Ubik doesn't really matter. There is a force that objectively exists and we can all see that when your light turns on. On the contrary, human life is only good if you imagine it is good. The exact same life could be imagined as either good or bad depending on the imagination of the person making that judgement, but there doesn't seem to be anything objective we can measure to tell us how good or bad that life actually is.
I just told you two things that we can measure fairly objectively to tell us how good acts are though. What's non-objective about quality-adjusted life span? Like sure, a lifetime of eating spinach might sound nice to one person and bad to another, but whether a state of affairs satisfies someone's preference or not is a pretty objective thing, even if the preference is subjective. Like "spinach tastes good" is a subjective statement but "Lanny likes spinach" is an objective one unless you subscribe to some sort of linguistic positivism or something.
Originally posted by DietPiano Are those things only necessarily good to you, or do you think they are always good for everyone?
Which things? Actions? Actions are either good or bad, their status as such is not a matter of opinion. That doesn't mean something like "injecting a person with insulin" is either always good or always bad, obviously that's dependent on the circumstance, but acts like "injecting Fred with insulin yesterday shortly after lunch" have a definite status as morally permissible or not, contingent on whether Fred needed it and your authority to administer the drug and other circumstantial facts. -
2019-01-18 at 11:24 AM UTCSoyboy IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life African Astronaut [the oppositely able-bodied hop-step-and-jump]
Originally posted by Obbe You cannot objectively measure how "morally good" a generator is. That is exactly what I'm saying. We cannot objectively measure goodness or badness.
However, we can objectively measure electrical potential and efficiency. If your generator is generating the electrical potential you require at an efficient rate, it is an effective generator and definitely is not a pile of rust. And if an effective generator is what I need I might say that is good, but that doesn't mean it is objectively or inherently good.
Did you just say you can't tell a good generator from a bad one, then outline exactly how you could?
That makes no sense. I believe can definitely all agree what is a good generator and what is a bad one - even aliens would be able to do this.
As such we are evaluating designs, so ideas, so there exist good ideas - which help you achieve your goals and are life affirming - and bad ideas.
What Terry Davis would call divine intellect vs thinking like a fucking nigger.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-01-18 at 11:32 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-01-18 at 11:34 AM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life Did you just say you can't tell a good generator from a bad one, then outline exactly how you could?
how can a new, fuel economy, fully sealed generator with no user or professional serviceable parts be good for a mechanic, or a gas station owner ? -
2019-01-18 at 11:49 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny I just told you two things that we can measure fairly objectively to tell us how good acts are though.
Those things are objective measurements, but not objective measurements of goodness or badness. One measurement you mentioned tells us objectively how many "quality adjusted years of human life (an action) produced/reduced". That doesn't tell us objectively how good or bad that action is, it only tells us objectively how many years of human life is produced or reduced. Whether or not that is good or bad is not objective. It might be good for a human, but what is good for a human is not neccessarily objectively or inherently good. Your other example is the same.
Yes, Lanny liking spinach is an objective statement. Lanny liking spinach might be good for a spinach salesman, but we have no way of knowing Lanny liking spinach is objectively or inherently good.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-01-18 at 11:54 AM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life Did you just say you can't tell a good generator from a bad one, then outline exactly how you could?
That makes no sense. I believe can definitely all agree what is a good generator and what is a bad one - even aliens would be able to do this.
As such we are evaluating designs, so ideas, so there exist good ideas - which help you achieve your goals and are life affirming - and bad ideas.
What Terry Davis would call divine intellect vs thinking like a fucking nigger.
I told you that if a generator is performing the way you want it to you might consider that generator to be good. But someone who, for example, is against the usage of the type of fuel your generator requires would consider your generator to be bad, even if it is working fine. Are you paying attention? Goodness and badness is not something we can objectively measure. Different people can look at the exact same objective data and arrive at completely opposite conclusions about the goodness or badness of that data.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-01-18 at 12:17 PM UTCSoyboy IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life African Astronaut [the oppositely able-bodied hop-step-and-jump]
If you want a stupid thing then you are evil.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-01-18 at 12:52 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-01-18 at 1:10 PM UTCThe only obligation i have— is to pay my fucking taxes.😡The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-01-18 at 3:02 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny §m£ÂgØL, don't spam this thread with your autocomplete bullshit.
I just told you two things that we can measure fairly objectively to tell us how good acts are though. What's non-objective about quality-adjusted life span? Like sure, a lifetime of eating spinach might sound nice to one person and bad to another, but whether a state of affairs satisfies someone's preference or not is a pretty objective thing, even if the preference is subjective. Like "spinach tastes good" is a subjective statement but "Lanny likes spinach" is an objective one unless you subscribe to some sort of linguistic positivism or something.
Which things? Actions? Actions are either good or bad, their status as such is not a matter of opinion. That doesn't mean something like "injecting a person with insulin" is either always good or always bad, obviously that's dependent on the circumstance, but acts like "injecting Fred with insulin yesterday shortly after lunch" have a definite status as morally permissible or not, contingent on whether Fred needed it and your authority to administer the drug and other circumstantial facts.
That is full of holes. Why is it good? Who is it good for? What if fred wants to die? What if fred is a jedi and under hitler's sound moral system, he should be exterminated? Why is your moral system correct and hitler's is not?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
