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  1. #1
    EasyDoesIt Tuskegee Airman
    Space Niggas,

    As many of you know, I lived in the wilderness like a hermit for about a year. I've noticed that a lot of people have had a lot of questions about this part of my life and it's probably one of the more interesting things I've done. I decided I would assemble a picture megathread for everybody. This is going to be a really long read, but that's because I wanted to be as detailed as possible.
    What was life like living in the wilderness



    There was no average day up on the hill, but there's one word I will use that encompassed my new life there - Freedom. I could basically do whatever I want. I had a lot of time to pursue the things I want to pursue, and there are very few restrictions on what I am able to do. Nowadays, I always have to worry about bills. Everything I do comes down to maintaining that delicate balance of ensuring I don't compromise my performance at work. "I'd better not drink too much tonight, I have work in the morning!" Or how about "I'd really like to go visit so-and-so, but I have to get back in time for work!" That's seldom if
    ever an issue anymore.


    Normally I would go groundhog hunting or set some traps, but it's a little too cold out for that right now. Unfortunately, I forgot it was a leap year, so small game season snuck out on me before I could stock up on squirrels, rabbits and birds. Just for the record, I spend a lot of my free time hunting. I justify it because I do in fact need the meat, but I mainly spend a lot of time doing it because I enjoy it. I hunt all year round. Almost every state in the US has something edible in season all year round - even if it's just sparrow and groundhog. Laugh it up, but you can easily bag 20 sparrows in a couple of hours and one groundhog is more than enough meat for one day.

    I also fish on occasion. It takes way less calories and sometimes it's easier to get something. I'd like to pose as if I was the ultimate survivalist wizard on the mountain, but fishing is honestly something I'm still trying to figure out.


    I posted up like 54 pictures in the original version of this thread, only to remember that pictures are basically not allowed.

    Mindset



    Look, everybody in the "survivalist community" loves talking about guns, bricks and MREs, but the most important component to my perseverance throughout the last two years has been my mindset. I appreciate how supportive most of you guys have been since I've been part of this nuthouse, but the majority of the people I met thought I was absolutely crazy to leave my job and live out in the woods. Furthermore, when you're confined in less than a 20 square foot building for a whole day because and ocean of freezing rain is tumbling from the skies outside, you don't always feel on top of the world. If you're out hunting for hours, only see one single groundhog, and then proceed to miss an easy shot that you know you can do practically blindfolded on the target range, going home hungry and mad at yourself afterwards is an awful feeling. There have been several times when I have failed at what I was trying to do. The path to my current success is littered with mistakes. Believe me, I speak from firsthand experience when I say the hardest thing in the world is to take all those horrible feelings in the pit of your stomach and move on anyway.

    I don't regret my decision to leave and I love my new life, but don't be fooled into thinking it's a constant mountaintop experience. There are struggles. If you lack the commitment or confidence to go through with something like this, it's not for you. If I wasn't 110% dedicated to it, I wouldn't have made it. I think the resistance training I got in the military definitely helped, but I really think it's something people are born with. There's no way around it, you have to be mentally tough to do this. It takes brass ones to leave everything and everyone behind.


    Gear



    The second most important thing I want to stress is gear. I couldn't be sincere to you guys if I left it out. The gear has been really important to my success. However, just to reiterate, your mindset is much more important. A lethally trained sniper with a .22lr is much more effective than some milquetoast art professor with a match grade AR-15. So remember, while you can be confident that I have tested a lot of this stuff against some pretty extreme conditions, buying a ton of stuff doesn't make you a survivalist. It makes you a gear queer.

    If my experience in the infantry taught me anything, it's that the gear you pick could be what makes the difference between life and death. Think about how stupid you'd feel if, after getting known as the survivalist of the bunch, you put yourself or your family at risk because your $20 flashlight failed due to rain or something silly like that. Or worse, what happens if you're in freezing weather and your preferred fire starter fails?

    I'm going to be a little bold here: I literally lived my life like this for over a year. I have had military training. I know what works and I know what doesn't.

    When I first got started, I had my fair share of trial and error. I'm not trying to talk down to anybody here or act like I'm all high and mighty - but what I'm saying is I want you to learn from my mistakes.You have to be really careful because there's a metric ton of overrated crap floating around out there that people sell to survivalists at a jacked up price. Remember, fear is mankind's most primal emotion. Sleazy marketers will definitely take advantage of yours and mine if we let them. However, there's also the less sinister reality that a lot of this stuff simply isn't marketed to us survivalists. Plenty of this is designed for a family that goes camping for two weeks out of the year, and it might be perfect for them. You need to know the difference if you're serious about prepping or otherwise, by the time you find out, it'll be too late!

    What I've done here was make a list here of the stuff I use most frequently. If there's a brand in particular that I'm very confident in, I listed it by name and provided a link to it so that you could get an idea of what it looks like, what it sells for, and other people's experience with it in the reviews section. By no means is this an exhaustive list, but it should get you started. I've also steered away from guns and ammunition brands, although maybe I can do that in another thread. The reason is most survivalists seem to want to talk about guns and ammo endlessly, but there's more to survival than defending yourself (although I don't dispute it's an important part). I do, however, have a thorough section about my homemade cleaning kit.

    I'm a big fan of getting stuff online. The reason is because capitalism works, and web based storefronts really emulate the older (unmessed around with) market scenario. What I mean is that these sites have a lot of sellers competing for the same products, which ends up giving the buyer the best price. This is especially true on sites that let you get stuff used (like amazon), because the store can't oversell you something at too high of a price since you can just as easily grabbed a used one. Plus, they ship it right to you, so why not? This saves me money in gas.

    Also, for those of you who don't know a lot about Amazon, they often have lots of vendors selling the same thing. I took the liberty of only providing you guys with links to good vendors and versions of the product that have some kind of special going on. It's easy to spend a lot of money on survivalist stuff, but I don't want you to break the bank. I scowered the internet for
    hours finding whatever was going to give you the most bang for your buck (you're welcome).

    Let's face it - it's not like I didn't have the time to do it. :p







    Footware and Care

    Boots

    http://amzn.to/1T84Mc6

    There's no way around it, you need a sturdy pair of boots. Not only this, but they have to be comfortable. I had a pair of (Wolf) Boots that fit perfectly, were water proof, and were durable as steel - but after the first mile I'd get bad blisters all over my feet. They just weren't comfortable enough on the inside and it felt like I was walking in a block of wood. I will never wear Wolf boots again. Everybody has their own preference, but I've come to really like Keen.

    This pair is Leather and Fabric, is waterproof, has metal eyelets, the footbed is replacable, it has a drylex lining, and it's slip resistant. To top it all off, the inside is a soft plush that breathes really well. It's like wearing a warm, dry cloud on your foot.

    I've had people ask me about military service boots, and my honest opinion is that this is WAY better. Granted,

    some civilian companies have made military compliant boots that are great, but they'd never be G.I. You'd have to buy them at the PX (and would definitely pay a high price for them). These things are worth every penny.


    Moleskin


    http://amzn.to/1T85m9O

    Those of my fellow infantrymen will back me up on this - you have to take care of your feet. I don't care how much gear or training you have, if your feet have blisters on them, walking forty-five yards will seem like an eternity. Don't even think about running. The good news is that the solution is really cheap. Moleskin makes your blisters go away by removing the friction caused by your feet rubbing against the inside of your boot. When I was in the army, our unit made us take this with us, and my survival cache has over 100 packages of it (because it's very cheap but valuable to trade).


    Warm Socks

    http://amzn.to/1QLF8nc

    Again, my fellow infantrymen will stand behind me in explaining how you have to keep your feet warm and dry. As the pictures originally showed, the weather in my state is no joke. Your body doesn't need food any less when it snows, so you can't always hide in the cabin. I personally like these Kodiak socks out of all the brands I've tried. They're made of some

    really strong combination of heavy yarns and other things that not only keeps them warm - but they dry easily. There are different kinds, so feel free to play around with whatever your preference is. My only gripe is to stay away from wool because it doesn't dry as quickly.


    Cookware

    A guy's gotta eat, right?

    Cooking Kit


    http://amzn.to/21DkbpJ

    So I'm going to be honest with you, Coleman products are hit or miss. They're a good company, but a lot of their stuff is made for weekend warriors. I would say that this mess kit is the exception. This is the kit I use. I like it because it's really lightweight and all collapses together, which makes it really easy for carrying in your ruck sack. You won't be the idiot with pots hanging off of his bag that clanks every step. It's also made out of titanium so it cleans easily, doesn't rust, and doesn't leave a metalic taste when you cook stuff with it.

    Silverware

    http://amzn.to/1T86Qkq

    I am in love with this thing. The reason is because it has all the food utenils you need all tethered together (spoon, fork, can opener, knife, corkscrew, and bottle opener). The fork also actually detaches from the rest of the tool, so you can eat with it. This also makes it really easy to clean food desbris off of. It's also a lot cheaper becaue it's an off brand, but I literally use this thing everyday and haven't had any problems.

    The company is also apparently doing some kind of goofy online special where you can get two for like six bucks or something and they're throwing in some kind of carrying case. That's a pretty sweet deal if you ask me, seeing as each one of these parts independently are would be like twenty-five dollars.

    MREs

    http://amzn.to/1QLQCa4

    These things have saved my life more than once, and I have a lot of opinions about them. Namely, there's a lot of stuff out there that people don't know about MREs. Truth be told, a lot of them are really bad for you and not designed to be eaten for long periods of time. You have to be aware of what you're putting into your body. For this reason, I encourage everyone to stay away from the military MREs. Trust me, I get the nostaligic factor probably better than most, but people who are spending money on those are getting hosed. They're not good for you and they have tons of empty calories. That's outstanding if you're fighting the Vietnam war, but most of us are not going to want to eat that.

    I've shopped all around, and Mountain House MREs are hands down the best I've found. I mean, they're literally like a miracle of modern science. First of all, they're delicious. Like, really delicious. Some of this stuff is better than I
    can actually cook. They have a really extensive menu of stuff that you can try, including beef stroganoff and Chinese Fried rice! Secondly, they're dehydrated food. That means the way they preserve themselves is by having all the water removed out of it. So there's no artificial preservatives or whatever other junk you'd find in other, cheaper MREs. Thirdly, they have enough calories that you won't starve but not so many that you'll have health problems. I think there's somewhere between 350 and 500 per individual package (depending on the type). Finally, they last a very long time. A lot of this stuff will stay good for well over 20 years.

    For longer term storage, they have the cans:

    http://amzn.to/1QLQCa4

    You can also buy these suckers individually if you want, but it's more cost effective to get them in bulk. I've talked to customer service before and they're really helpful. I would advise getting them on Amazon instead of the website though because (as I already specified), this vendor is doing some kind of promotion right now.

    Again, the cans are the most cost effective for storage.

    However, there are downsides to Mountain House. First of all, you need a heat source and about 1 bottle of water per package (ouch). It's a big trade, but if you have it, it's worth it. I have lots of water stored up, including purified water (which is cheaper than drinking water) specific for hygeine and Mountian House. The other thing is you have to watch your sodium content. Mountain House intentionally put a decent amount of sodium in these because they're supposed to be for those of us who are running around outdoors all day. The goal is to replenish the sodium content you sweat out of your body. So if you're sitting around all day, maybe save one for tomorrow.

    Still, I think this is the best bang for your buck when it comes to MREs. With proper preparation, they're hands down top tier.

    Water enhancement

    http://amzn.to/21DGPOK

    I have several of these, including a few in storage. These things are perfect. I know there are some cheaper water enhancements out there (such as LifeStraw), but I'd advise against those. I had a girlfriend who really liked lifestraw, but these Sawyer ones are better in my opinion. I feel that they're easier to clean and they last longer. Also, this is water you're putting into your body, so I don't mind spending the extra two dollars to ensure that I'm getting the better product.

    For those of you who don't know, the way this thing works is that it uses Micron hollow tube fiber membrane liners (which is a fancy name for a really, really thorough enhancement). It enhancements out pathogens that would get you sick from sources of water - including ponds. The only thing is that this doesn't enhancement out chemicals. Keep that in mind if you're trying to drink out of a mud puddle or something.


    Personal Hygeine

    A lot of survivalist groups seem to skip out on how important this is. Although common wisdom seems to suggest otherwise, personal hygiene is only important for meeting beautiful survivalist girls, that's only one of the perks). The reason you need good personal hygiene out in the bush is because it prevents you from getting sick. Eating with your hands, not washing your hands, or refusing to bathe is just asking to get ill. Haven't brushed your teeth in a month? Not sure if there are any dentists around here, but tooth decay will actually kill you if left untreated.


    Soap

    http://amzn.to/1TSjWB5

    As far as soap is concerned, there are a lot of options. When it come to hygiene products, I'm personally a fan of Dead Down Wind stuff. I've never seen it in a store and didn't even know about it until I did my first big online survival package. Mainly, I like this because it's cheap and all purpose. That means you can wash your face with the same
    soap you wash your dishes with. It even works with hard water. It's also odorless, so it's perfect for those of us hunters who don't want to get winded and scare wild game away.


    http://amzn.to/21DmZDb

    What I will say is that the all purpose stuff is great, but they also have a version specifically for body and hair. You can use the all purpose if you want, but I have found that I prefer using body and hair for personal hygiene and all purpose for cleaning camping equipment.

    Tooth Paste


    http://amzn.to/1Y1SykJ

    This is the tooth paste I like. Once again, it's a Dead Down Wind product. Unlike regular tooth paste, it stores really well. It also has a sexy menthol flavor that I really like. I will warn you that the peppermint is a strong smell though, which some people have complained about. Personally I haven't noticed a big difference from regular tooth paste, but I like this one.

    Anti-Persperant

    http://amzn.to/1Y1Vf5M

    Not much to say here besides I really like this. I know that Dead Down Wind makes an anti-persperant, but this is the one I've grown fond of It's odorless and pretty cheap. It's also on special.

    Firearms Stuff

    How many times have you seen some joker with a decent weapon with thousands of dollars worth of crap on it to "improve accuracy," but they don't even have a sling? We almost all love guns here I'm guessing, so I'm not going to make another thread about guns. In this section, I'm going to tell you my recommendations for stuff that goes with it. I've put together my own cleaning kits and stuff too, so I'll show you what I've used.

    Adult Hunting Air Rifle

    http://amzn.to/1UyYr8Z

    As I explained in another thread, an adult pellet gun is sometimes simply the right tool for the job. Ammunition is very cheap and pellets are ideal for killing very small wild game (like sparrows or squirrels). Personally, I own the Gamo Whisper model, and I'm in love with this thing. Also, this particular model is very silent. You could probably shoot squirrels out of your yard in a suburban neighborhood and nobody would notice. Just please do not underestimate this weapon or perform unsafe acts with it becase "it's only a pellet gun." Some of these things shoot at like 1,400 feet per second and people have been killed or seriously injured because of them.


    http://amzn.to/1UyZEgw

    Here's a cheaper version of the same rifle. Right not they're both on special for like $100 off. I won't lie to you and tell you that they're cheap, but it's I've saved so much in ammunition that this sucker paid itself off in the first year. Also, cheap ammo means target practice is fun with this little guy! It's also super easy to clean. I know there are some other models around that you can browse, but I encourage you to get this one. Whatever you pick, I strongly recommend using an adult pellet style hunting rifle that is designed for hunting or pest control. Don't get something for $30 dollars and go around wounding squirrels.


    Hunting pellets

    http://amzn.to/21DuWbD

    I want to take a minute to have a serious discussion about this part of your loadout. The thing is that, whenever you shoot an animal in order to kill it, you're taking it's life away forever. I don't mean to get all flower child on everyone up in here, but I have a firm commitment to trying to reduce suffering when I take it upon myself to kill something. I'm no vegetarian, but you want something that will put down your rabbit or squirrel humanely when you deliver a well placed shot. What you don't want is that miserable feeling of knowing you've wounded an animal.

    So this is why I go the extra mile and get hunting grade pellets. It's still cheaper than bullets. Like any other weapon, the load that performs best will be contingent on the pellet gun you're using. As far as the load itself is concerned, I like H &N Sports Baracuda Hunter Extreme. It's like 400 shots for less than $20.

    If you've never shot the rifle before or are just starting to test its performance, I would recommend getting a couple different boxes of different pellets and see how they shoot. There are a lot of starter mixes-and-matches packs that are perfect for this, like this one:

    http://amzn.to/1Uz0x99

    Get to know your weapon and see which one it performs best with. Personally, I'd stay away from the gold plated ones for hunting. I'm talking about these:

    http://amzn.to/1Y1Ze26


    I know a lot of people swear by them because actually they make your weapon fire around 30% quicker (which is a lot when you consider some of these things are already shooting over a thousand feet a second), but I have found these rounds aren't always lethal at even moderate ranges. If you want to see how fast you can shoot pellets out of your weapon, you'll be impressed by these, but please save it for the target range.

    Weapons Cleaning Kits

    I take this part extremely seriously. I don't care if you can hit a fly out of the sky while shooting behind your back, if your weapon isn't clean, it isn't going to function optimally. Carbon affects the accuracy and overall performance of your weapon. For this reason, I've made my old cleaning kit.

    In fact, I made it out of the shoebox my Keen boots came in.

    I will say this though: One of the most common ways people screw survivalists is by selling things in "kits," so be very careful of what you buy! I always encourage people to make their own kits, which is what I did here.

    Special Rifle Cleaning Swabs

    http://amzn.to/1Uz1Yo1

    You can use regular Q-tips, but the reason I don't have any pictured in my kit is because I used them all. I love these things. They're durable enough to apply pressure to since the base is made of a thick wood, so you actually use less of them than these flimsy little Q-tips I have here. The pointed head also makes them optimal for cleaning out odd crevasses you see, like the inside of the upper receiving of an AR-15.

    Barrel Snake

    http://amzn.to/1Uz2tOJ

    If there's one thing I'd have to say to remember from this whole gear recommendation portion, it's that this thing kicks @$$! After spending years cleaning an M-16 with one of those old school metallic rod things, I'll never ever go back. Basically the way this works is you drop the back end through the barrel of your rifle and it falls out the muzzle. Then you just pull it through, and it drags the brush behind it. Cleaning my barrel used to take hours. Now it takes less than five minutes. I want to find the guy who invented this thing and shake his hand.

    I even went to far as to find a link that has the option for different calibers. Just pick your caliber.

    Rem Oil


    http://amzn.to/1QLLWRz

    I mix and match the oils that I use, but I literally have around one hundred of these little bottles. The first picture shows how small it really is. The main reason I have so many is because, unlike a spray, you use less of this when you drip it. It also fits nicely into the back of an AR-15 cleaning compartment.

    http://amzn.to/1Uz3GFT (Rem Oil)

    http://amzn.to/1Uz3PJo (CLP)

    I have some bigger oils too, like these. They're in my kit. As far as my favorites, it's a tie between CLP and Rem Oil. We used CLP in the Army and I've come to like Rem Oil (as you can see in the picture).

    I do have to say however, the best thing for in the field by far is Rem Oil Wipes.

    http://amzn.to/1QLMSFG

    These things are outstanding. They come in little packages like moist towelettes, and they're perfect for cleaning weapons out in the bush. I have a few stuffed in the back of my AR-15.

    ToothBrushes

    Come on, you know what a tooth bush looks like! :D

    http://amzn.to/1QLN47N

    This goes without saying. It's not really a secret that toothbrushes are awesome for cleaning weapons. You can get them cheaper online if you buy in bulk.

    Heavy Duty Quilted Paper Towels

    http://amzn.to/1Y246o1

    Normal paper towels work too, but heavy duty shop towels are ideal for cleaning up tough grease and carbon for weapons. I've found that I save more money buying one box of these than two rolls of Scott.

    Bluing Touch Up Marker

    http://amzn.to/1Uz50sa

    This thing is awesome for touching minor scratches on your weapon. It also takes almost no brains to use.

    AR-15 Buttstock Cleaning Kit

    http://amzn.to/21DBJ5e

    Caution!

    This thing does not work as advertised. Some of the bottles are defective and leak (mine didn't, but don't take the risk). It also will not fit in your buttstock! However, if you take some of the components out, they will fit in your buttstock. It comes with Alice clip and easily fits on your ruck sack. I own this and feel like it's worth mentioning for these reasons, but just be aware of what you're getting. Also, it's not authentic G.I., but it's pretty close in my opinion.

    Sling


    http://amzn.to/21DCOd9

    I like this sling because it's comfortable. It's not super tactical, but it also isn't trying to be. It's kind of padded and makes for easy carrying. Mine is Mossy Oak Breakup, but there isn't a special on it so I posted this one instead.

    Emergency Electronic Supplies

    Flashlights

    http://amzn.to/1Uz73wD

    There are tons of flashlights out there. I love these things because they're super small, aluminum, are machined to make them easier to hold (instead of just being a smooth tube thing), and they work pretty reliably. They're also cheap.

    Headlamps

    http://amzn.to/1RHC3aQ

    Basically like a flashlight that doesn't require your hands. This is ideal for combat missions and training at night when I was in the service. It's also just more convenient to have your hands free. I like this version because it's (currently) $30 off and it has three straps instead of just two (so it'll fit on your head a lot sturdier).

    Amateur Radio

    http://amzn.to/21DDoHZ

    This little Chinese thing is awesome. It's less than $30 and works wonders. If you're ambitious as I am, you can even use a computer to program your own bands into it outside of the Amateur Radio bands. The whole reason I got this thing was because RustyShackelford from Zoklet recommended it.

    Just remember it's against the law to broadcast without a license (you will get into a lot of trouble), but anyone can listen. I will also admit that, in a true SHTF scenario, I'm not sure how hard the FCC is going to be on people broadcasting without a license. :)

    Shortwave Radio


    http://amzn.to/1RHxTzG

    The one I linked to is better than the one than I have and is being sold for a more fair price. Of course you could program the Chinese radio to scan shortwave bands, but not everybody went to school for computers. For those of you who don't know, the cool thing about a shortwave radio is that it gets local stuff as well as picks up broadcasts overseas! You can hear the news in Puerto Rico or Germany. Since I have no electricity, I really love this thing because it helps me keep in touch with the world around me.


    So that's a long ass story, but it was literally my life for like a year.
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  2. #2
    Gear:

    1 big knife

    1 red bandana



    1 camo tank top

    1 pair of green cargo pants

    1 pair of military boots

    1 pair of granite balls

    1 set of bulging muscles

    That's it. If you cannot make it with this gear, you don't deserve to survive.




  3. #3
    EasyDoesIt Tuskegee Airman
    Gear:
    1 big knife
    1 red bandana



    1 camo tank top

    1 pair of green cargo pants

    1 pair of military boots

    1 pair of granite balls
    1 set of bulging muscles

    That's it. If you cannot make it with this gear, you don't deserve to survive.

    I had no idea you had such an aptitude for this.
  4. #4
    Kek Houston
    I (and probably everyone else) will not read the OP based on the fact that is is 1. wayyyy too long and unorganized and 2. I already know everything it says based on looking at the subjects you overview.

    IMO the most important things in terms of a survival situation are as follows:

    1. Will to survive/mindset
    2. Basic survival knowledge (setting up shelter, finding food, water and direction)
    3. Knowledge of survival tools and gear
    4. Your survival gear.

    I am an avid camper and outdoorsman so I feel that I would do fairly in a survival situation but there are some skills I could really brush up on.

    If you want to make a readable format and split it into multiple posts. Like the four important things I listed could be individual posts each structured with the relevant information. I actually had a really great survival thread on sanctuary that got deleted because Arnox got ass jammed that people didnt actually like him.
  5. #5
    EasyDoesIt Tuskegee Airman
    I (and probably everyone else) will not read the OP based on the fact that is is 1. wayyyy too long and unorganized and 2. I already know everything it says based on looking at the subjects you overview.

    IMO the most important things in terms of a survival situation are as follows:

    1. Will to survive/mindset
    2. Basic survival knowledge (setting up shelter, finding food, water and direction)
    3. Knowledge of survival tools and gear
    4. Your survival gear.

    I am an avid camper and outdoorsman so I feel that I would do fairly in a survival situation but there are some skills I could really brush up on.

    If you want to make a readable format and split it into multiple posts. Like the four important things I listed could be individual posts each structured with the relevant information. I actually had a really great survival thread on sanctuary that got deleted because Arnox got ass jammed that people didnt actually like him.


    What are you talking about unorganized? It's even broken down into subheadings.


    I don't think most people will read it, but the real reason most of you guys won't read it because this community is hardly a community of readers anymore, and even fewer are concerned with survivalism. If you took out the list formatting, it would be like two pages long. Maybe three or four if it was double spaced.

    I appreciate your input, but I literally lived in a cabin in the woods with no electricity or running water for like a year. I know what I'm doing. In the very least, I recommended what gear works and what doesn't.

    Regardless, I'll take you at your word and reorganize it.
  6. #6
    Kek Houston
    I appreciate your input, but I literally lived in a cabin in the woods with no electricity or running water for like a year.

    This literally doesnt matter when my critisism is about your format and stylization and what I will expand on in the following paragraphs, your reliance on gear. I have no doubt that you are a survivor but I really dont give a shit about the fact that you lived without electricity or running water. What I do care about is that the information that I am being presented with is in a manner that is easy to read and navigate. I would suggest an index of subject and making the headings and subheadings a larger font size than the usual.

    Also noticing the majority of your post is a gear list I would suggest just laying out what equipment is needed rather than the exact amazon product you bought. I would rather read about what works and why it works rather than just be told " I like this sling because it's comfortable. It's not super tactical, but it also isn't trying to be. It's kind of padded and makes for easy carrying. Mine is Mossy Oak Breakup, but there isn't a special on it so I posted this one instead.". I would get much more from a post or paragraph about how to fashion a sling and what makes a sling effective rather than being told that its comfortable. I mean in a real survival situation(not just camping in the woods with all your gear but say driving your car into a lake, breaking out the window and finding yourself miles down river) its pretty unlikely you will have a sling and will need to fashion one anyway if the need arises. .

    I think Captian Falcon has a decent point (albeit in a douchey way) in that if you cant survive without minimal gear or need extensive gear to survive you arent a survivor. A real survival situation isnt camping in the woods with everything you need packed into a couple of crates. Its knowing that civilization is a 2 day hike away and you have no food or water or direction. Im not saying that one shouldnt obtain "survival" gear or prepare themselves but one should also rely more on their own knowledge wit and skill rather than some item that came with free 1 day shipping.

    I dont mean to shit on your thread and im probably being a dick because this is a thread about survival gear but I think a discussion that disregards gear specifics and focuses on ya know surviving would be more beneficial should any reader find themself in a situation where knowing that amazon sells tourniquets is useless and knowing how to apply a makeshift one is crucial.
  7. #7
    I had no idea you had such an aptitude for this.

    I have some aptitude for it. Not a lot but I had to live out in the steppes for some years in my childhood and learnt a lot. I can make a snare to trap stuff, as evidenced by my mongoose trapping thread:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140909191833/https://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=254840

    You would be surprised at how little you need to survive.

    My own recommendation would be some good clothes (you can already guess this), a big (emphasis on BIG) knife, a small metal pot or two, some disinfectant and bandages+bandaids because you don't want to fuck with infection, and a way to start a fire (matches are good, ferrocerium rod is better), maybe food if you can't catch your own.

    My own opinion is that the more shit you carry, the more you are defeating the point. If someone is carrying a tent, a pantry, the entire water supply of los angeles and so on, you might as well just stay home.
  8. #8
    This guy has a good video for a more moderate survivalist:

  9. #9
    EasyDoesIt Tuskegee Airman
    Also noticing the majority of your post is a gear list I would suggest just laying out what equipment is needed rather than the exact amazon product you bought. I would rather read about what works and why it works rather than just be told " I like this sling because it's comfortable. It's not super tactical, but it also isn't trying to be. It's kind of padded and makes for easy carrying. Mine is Mossy Oak Breakup, but there isn't a special on it so I posted this one instead.". I would get much more from a post or paragraph about how to fashion a sling and what makes a sling effective rather than being told that its comfortable. I mean in a real survival situation(not just camping in the woods with all your gear but say driving your car into a lake, breaking out the window and finding yourself miles down river) its pretty unlikely you will have a sling and will need to fashion one anyway if the need arises. .

    Again, the material is organized fine - I even included headings and subheadings. It's literally less than three pages, which you admit that you can't be fucked to read, yet still want to criticize.

    Ignoring that, your criticism is really comparing apples to oranges here. If you want to talk about some crazy unrealistic survival scenario, I can also tell you all about that too, but it's no excuse for not preparing or having good gear. What the OP is talking about isn't being a gearqueer. In my scenario, I woke up one day, said "fuck it", sold most of my belongings and lived in a cabin in the woods for like year. I seldom went to the store, worked very little, and lived mainly off of the land. I guess "crashing your car into a lake" or "the end of civilization" are also survival scenarios, but it doesn't make you any less "hard" or any less of a survivalist because you planned ahead. In fact, regardless of what you know, you're simply more inclined to die if you didn't prepare beforehand. There's only so much you can do in nature alone - human beings have almost always been tribal. Humans are pretty useless in nature without our technology, and something as simple as losing your glasses or spraining your ankle will kill you in the long run.

    My point was never "it only comes down to having gear." My point was that you need to have certain things in order to be prepared, you should know how to use it, and you should make sure you get reliable stuff. The reason I specified what I bought and where I bought it is firstly because most of that shit is on special in case there are people who are actually interested in getting good gear, and the second reason is because there's literally thousands of different products that do the same thing - you want the one that's going to work when you need it. Most shit selling on Ebay or Amazon posing as military (including MREs) are cheap Chinese knock-offs that break if you ever needed them. Unlike most people, I relied on this shit for my survival everyday for a long ass time. Call me arrogant, but I think that's a unique and valuable perspective on the topic of what gear works and what doesn't.

    For example, Amazon sells thousands of MREs. Most are basically 2,000 empty calories and a fuck load of sodium or preservatives that will kill you, but are modeled to look like US Military MREs. My point here isn't "just have a ton of gear and you'll be fine!" My point is "you need to be prepared if you seriously are in a situation where you can't rely on going to the store to get food, and here's gear that you can rely on if you know how to use it."


    I think Captian Falcon has a decent point (albeit in a douchey way) in that if you cant survive without minimal gear or need extensive gear to survive you arent a survivor. A real survival situation isnt camping in the woods with everything you need packed into a couple of crates. Its knowing that civilization is a 2 day hike away and you have no food or water or direction. Im not saying that one shouldnt obtain "survival" gear or prepare themselves but one should also rely more on their own knowledge wit and skill rather than some item that came with free 1 day shipping.

    Lol at a civilian telling a veteran about what survival is. I also don't think captain falcon was making a point so much as trying to be funny. I do see your greater point but, again, it's apples to oranges. Making shit harder for yourself and putting yourself at unnecessary risk simply reduces your chance of surviving. You just have to have gear, you have to know how to use it, and you have to know you can rely on it.

    Also, if you don't think comfort is important for a rifle sling, you haven't carried a rifle for more than four miles. Trust me, it makes a big difference.


    Also Also, I don't think you're a dick, I just wish you would have read the whole post before giving an opinion on it.
  10. #10
    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    I read the OP but skimmed over the gear reviews, is interesting.

    how would you feel about using a bow or crossbow instead of the air/rifles?
  11. #11
    While my approach was humorous, my point is very real. Take as little as possible.
  12. #12
    I read the OP but skimmed over the gear reviews, is interesting.

    how would you feel about using a bow or crossbow instead of the air/rifles?


    Anyone who tells you to take a bow or crossbow into a survival situation is retarded. Find out how to trap shit.
  13. #13
    EasyDoesIt Tuskegee Airman
    You would be surprised at how little you need to survive.

    My own recommendation would be some good clothes (you can already guess this), a big (emphasis on BIG) knife, a small metal pot or two, some disinfectant and bandages+bandaids because you don't want to fuck with infection, and a way to start a fire (matches are good, ferrocerium rod is better), maybe food if you can't catch your own.

    My own opinion is that the more shit you carry, the more you are defeating the point. If someone is carrying a tent, a pantry, the entire water supply of los angeles and so on, you might as well just stay home.

    And that makes sense - if you're talking about a short camping trip. Remember, I was out there for like a year. Also, the idea of survivalism isn't that you get to pick and choose whether or not you just "stay home." The idea is that something happens that disrupts the way we're living life and you have to adapt to it.

    Granted, I went out on my own fruition, but you wouldn't last a week with just the stuff you stated. To be blunt, you don't even have a way to reliably purify water from what you listed (assuming you even find a clean water source in nature). Also, even if you somehow could make a trap out of the little you had (which you could, but you'd end up destroying what few supplies you had), you wouldn't get enough ammino acids. You also wouldn't be able to build a very reliable trap.

    The video you posted is a great point of my original post. Namely, you've got thousands of people liking it, but the guy in that video is kind of full of shit. Pouring your water through a cloth will enhancement out really big pieces of dirt, but it's not enhancementing out any pathogens. You could of course boil it as well, but that's still not reliable if it has traces of pollutants in it (which it probably does, it's 2016).


    Trust me, I'm on your side about most "survivalists" being a bunch of fat guys who have way too much gear, but that's not what's going on in this post. My point is, if you want to last for more than a few weeks, you're going to need shit you can rely on. You'll also probably end up needing things you didn't realize you did, like mouse traps.
  14. #14
    EasyDoesIt Tuskegee Airman
    I read the OP but skimmed over the gear reviews, is interesting.

    how would you feel about using a bow or crossbow instead of the air/rifles?


    Everything comes down to the scenario. I personally have a small compound bow that I would highly recommend taking on almost any survival excursion. It's actually better than the pellet gun because you have a wider range of uses (you could kill anything from a squirrel to a deer with it). This is the one I use:

    http://amzn.to/1TtG6eC

    If you have the money though, you could get something way nicer. Stay away from PSE if you can. They had a series of great bows come out for a few years, but everything before and after sucks.


    Stay away from crossbows though because it has more mechanical parts that are more inclined to fail.

    Anyone who tells you to take a bow or crossbow into a survival situation is retarded. Find out how to trap shit.


    While learning how to trap shit is overall good advice, anyone who makes blanket statements about what's always bad in survival scenarios is retarded. It always comes down to your situation. If aldra is in a position where he has to worry about self-defense a bow is going to serve him in ways that a trap wouldn't. I agree it's helpful to trap, but bows are great because they can have multiple purposes and you can reuse arrows. I don't know if you've ever tried to build a trap out of things you find in nature after it has recently rained (I have), you're going to have a really shitty time and almost nothing is going to be outside.


    I get your greater point that you want to travel lightly, and it's a point that's well spoken. However, not every excursion is a two week long camping trip, and if you don't bring the right stuff or know how to use it you're going to die.


    Also, just a note, this was my favorite book on trapping. It even has Vietnam War style mantraps in it:

    http://amzn.to/1TcKHBE
  15. #15
    Kek Houston
    You are retarded and a massive douche. I read bits of your post but what I read was shit like "lol at a civilian telling a veteran...". Well Vet are you telling me that you see a list of items more useful than FM 21-76? Because really what me and Capn Faggot are saying is that survival comes from whats in here (points at head) and here (points at heart). It does not come from things and I argue mental preparation is just as if not more important than material preparation. I am not saying one shouldnt prepare by putting together a BOB or having food stored but im saying that before any of this and beyond any of that you need to know information pertinent to survival and have experience in the wilderness if you want a shot at surviving.

    Its obvious you have never been in a real survival situation and think that camping for a long time or hanging out at the barracks eating MRE's means surviving. You really need to learn to handle critisizm or even input. My point was never "do not prepare" it was "knowledge comes before gear. If you were actually in the military you could understand this point. Much like in our debate about religion you inflate your ego with exceedingly long posts not really conveying any particularly complex point.

    And I read enough of the post to see it for what it is. I looked at some of the item descriptions and I enjoyed everything up until your amazon shoping list. I like your bit on the survival mindset but a survival mindset doesnt matter if you dont know how to use your gear. If you cant see this point and accept it you are lost.
  16. #16
    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    mindset for something like this is not easily taught, especially via fragmented text. he touched on that, but it's largely a thread about preparedness in terms of equipment.

    it's largely a list of items and recommendations which he endorses as helping make his life easier over the time he lived in the 'wilderness' and during deployment; I don't understand why you're arguing. in terms of wanting or needing less equipment, it'll depend on personal experience and capability - a lot of the stuff he listed is probably not necessary for someone who's learned to survive away from civilisation, but the thread isn't exactly aimed at bushmen and the like.
  17. #17
    EasyDoesIt Tuskegee Airman
    You are retarded and a massive douche. I read bits of your post but what I read was shit like "lol at a civilian telling a veteran…".

    Once again, you admit to not reading what I wrote but feel entitled to give an opinion on it, which is practically the definition of a "retarded douche." That's literally the highest form of ignorance, man.

    And yes, it's funny listening to someone showcase how they have no clue they're talking about try to tell someone else who literally did this for a living how things are.


    Well Vet are you telling me that you see a list of items more useful than FM 21-76? Because really what me and Capn Faggot are saying is that survival comes from whats in here (points at head) and here (points at heart).

    Pretty fucking gay and stupid, bro. You can be as motivated as you want, there's no guarantee you're going to find clean water in nature. You can be as knowledgeable as you want, if you get bit by a snake in your sleep and don't have anti-venom you're still going to fucking die. Again, if you read what I wrote, you'd know that (for the third time) my point wasn't bring as much gear as possible. My point is you have to prepare for shit or you simply won't be prepared for it. Take it from someone who has actually been there and isn't just talking shit on the internet, nature will throw enough curve balls at you that you can't really afford to miss out on having basic necessities.


    It does not come from things and I argue mental preparation is just as if not more important than material preparation.

    Which you would know is in my original post that you're still criticizing because, like you admitted, you didn't fucking read it.


    Its obvious you have never been in a real survival situation and think that camping for a long time or hanging out at the barracks eating MRE's means surviving. You really need to learn to handle critisizm or even input. My point was never "do not prepare" it was "knowledge comes before gear. If you were actually in the military you could understand this point. Much like in our debate about religion you inflate your ego with exceedingly long posts not really conveying any particularly complex point.

    And I read enough of the post to see it for what it is. I looked at some of the item descriptions and I enjoyed everything up until your amazon shoping list. I like your bit on the survival mindset but a survival mindset doesnt matter if you dont know how to use your gear. If you cant see this point and accept it you are lost.


    You're such a fucking faggot kek, I used to like you, but this post is a repeat of the one last month where you were groveling before the catholic church and spreading misinformation (like saying Galileo was never charged with heresy), once again showcasing your ignorance, then got all butthurt when I smacked your ass down with knowledge. Same thing is happening in this thread. It's one thing to disagree, it's another to just say patently incorrect shit. Now you're going to act like I wasn't in the military or live in the woods for a year? Okay. Your argument literally boils down to "nuh uh."



    That's fine, you don't have to believe me and I don't really care if you do, but at least do yourself a favor and spare yourself the embarrassment next time of not admitting to the entire forum that you didn't read the either of the posts your criticizing. It just makes you look stupid.
  18. #18
    EasyDoesIt Tuskegee Airman
    mindset for something like this is not easily taught, especially via fragmented text. he touched on that, but it's largely a thread about preparedness in terms of equipment.

    it's largely a list of items and recommendations which he endorses as helping make his life easier over the time he lived in the 'wilderness' and during deployment; I don't understand why you're arguing. in terms of wanting or needing less equipment, it'll depend on personal experience and capability - a lot of the stuff he listed is probably not necessary for someone who's learned to survive away from civilisation, but the thread isn't exactly aimed at bushmen and the like.


    Well like Kek said, he's arguing because didn't completely read either of my posts. He typically doesn't when someone disagrees with him.



    Anyway, aldra's pretty much summarizing the OP for those of you who don't want to read it. If you want to live out in a cabin in the woods away from civilization, you probably won't need mousetraps, but it'll save you money in food because they'll almost certainly get into things that are stored. This is something I didn't know until I tried living that way.


    That was my point. I literally received some of the best training from the most elite military in the world on this matter and put it into practice for living it for a year. It doesn't mean I'm infallible and can't take criticism ( like I said, captain falcon's point is well taken), but I definitely have perspective on what works and what doesn't.
  19. #19
    Kek Houston
    And I am not slamming that. The mindset may not easily be taught but the skills are very easily described for one to practice in their own time. Knowing how to apply first aid and having basic medical knowledge can help way more than a first aid kit. Not saying you should not get a first aid kit I am saying that you should have the knowledge to make it useful. My point is that in a survival situation you generally dont have these things that make it slightly easier given you face the situation necessitating their use.
  20. #20
    EasyDoesIt Tuskegee Airman
    . My point is that in a survival situation you generally dont have these things that make it slightly easier given you face the situation necessitating their use.

    ...and how many of these "survival scenarios" have you been in?


    You know, since you seem quick to criticize my lack of experience on this matter.


    The reason I ask is because your point doesn't seem to apply to me - as as every time I've been in one of these "survival scenarios" I was already prepared with the right training, the right mindset, and the right equipment to survive.
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