After betaBay, Hansa Market got murked the other day.

2017-07-25 at 4:07 AM UTC

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Sophie Pedophile Tech Support

https://www.politie.nl/en/news/2017/july/20/underground-hansa-market-taken-over-and-shut-down.html

>As part of an extensive international investigation, the Netherlands Police and the Public Prosecution Service have dismantled, seized control of, and shut down one of the biggest illegal market places on the internet today. It is Hansa Market, currently the most popular dark market in the ‘anonymous’ part of the internet, the so-called darknet.

I love how Kmar put anonymous in scare quotes. Apparently the owner had his recovery email set to a hotmail adress linked to his real name and more PI.

Also.

>In the past weeks, the police have intercepted tens of thousands of non-encrypted messages between sellers and buyers about orders. They were also able to identify the delivery address for a large number of orders. Some 10,000 foreign addresses of Hansa Market buyers were passed on to Europol.

Kmar doesn't fuck around. But if you communicate without encryption you are kind of asking for it.

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2017-07-25 at 4:16 AM UTC

#2

aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition

Keep in mind that it's not just people who used cleartext to send delivery data, but also people who encrypted delivery data using the 'on-site' autoencrypt function... why you'd trust that to be secure is beyond me - it takes maybe a half hour to learn how to use GPG to send/receive messages.

I'm not certain how either site was taken though - they claim that beta's owner was found by finding his personal email address in the header of the 'welcome' email sent to new members joining the forum (ie. it was included in the relay list or something), but I've not seen anyone verify it independently.

They claim Hansa's owner was found by chance; he apparently downloaded a virus to his work computer, and when clearing it the IT techs found data relating to Hansa (as well as CP) and reported it to the authorities.

By all accounts Hansa's owner was fairly well-versed in tech; he apparently coded the marketplace from scratch so it seems very strange to me that he'd use a work computer of all things for site maintenance and porno. It sounds more likely that they found the data another way they don't want to reveal, either because it's legally questionable or because they simply don't want to reveal their methods.

2017-07-25 at 4:38 AM UTC

#3

Sophie Pedophile Tech Support

Originally posted by aldra Keep in mind that it's not just people who used cleartext to send delivery data, but also people who encrypted delivery data using the 'on-site' autoencrypt function… why you'd trust that to be secure is beyond me - it takes maybe a half hour to learn how to use GPG to send/receive messages.

I'm not certain how either site was taken though - they claim that beta's owner was found by finding his personal email address in the header of the 'welcome' email sent to new members joining the forum (ie. it was included in the relay list or something), but I've not seen anyone verify it independently.

They claim Hansa's owner was found by chance; he apparently downloaded a virus to his work computer, and when clearing it the IT techs found data relating to Hansa (as well as CP) and reported it to the authorities.

By all accounts Hansa's owner was fairly well-versed in tech; he apparently coded the marketplace from scratch so it seems very strange to me that he'd use a work computer of all things for site maintenance and porno. It sounds more likely that they found the data another way they don't want to reveal, either because it's legally questionable or because they simply don't want to reveal their methods.

Word, what kind of dumb fuck keeps DNM and CP related evidence on their work computer. Seems highly unlikely. After reading some more it seems i got my DNM's mixed up. It seems like AB got owned by using hotmail for recovery emails with DeSnake's real name and birth year. No clear word on Hansa. Dream Market got murked as well https://twitter.com/OTM/status/888203267909574657. A guy somewhere said that Dream Market had a clearnet IP in the JS for updating your buddy list. Along the lines of:


function updateBuddyList() {
var debugUrl = "http://**194.9.94.82**/ajax?t=chat&c=buddies";
var usedUrl = useDebug ? debugUrl : "./ajax?t=chat&c=buddies";

Word on da street is Valhalla has been seized as well but is being kept operational for monitoring purposes.

2017-07-25 at 4:42 AM UTC

#4

aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition

Dream's still operating as normal, that's been discussed for years - it's apparently something the dev left in; looks like a local IP address they used for testing. Some people have complained that there have been issues with messaging and transaction finalisation but they've been intermittent and appear to be related to server load.

I have no idea about Valhalla though... Most of the guys on Reddit making claims like that are either highly paranoid or 'security testers' that don't appear to really understand the information they're turning up.

2017-07-25 at 4:52 AM UTC

#5

aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition

Originally posted by Fears did it really?, hah…. I've been too busy to follow any of it really.

yeah, they apparently took control of betabay and Hansa around the same time; shut down beta but kept Hansa running to collect data on all the beta refugees, they're both down now

2017-07-25 at 4:58 AM UTC

#6

fag Houston

It's weird that they got them both at the same time.

2017-07-25 at 9:15 AM UTC

#7

hydromorphone victim of incest [insincerely conduce my paisley]

The war on drugs (which, for the most part, taking down DNM is an assault on) can never be won. If there's a demand, there will always be someone to fill the supply. It sucks that there's a lot of decent people just trying to make a living (and some pieces of shit too, as is in everything) who'll have their lives ruined in this, but it'll just cycle again and again... another market will fill in eventually. As long as you (and me), and the rest of society continue to desire what others wish us not to have, someone will always step in to complete the deal.

Sad that DNM exist in the first place.

2017-07-25 at 11:24 AM UTC

#8

The Self Taught Man Black Hole

Originally posted by hydromorphone The war on drugs (which, for the most part, taking down DNM is an assault on) can never be won. If there's a demand, there will always be someone to fill the supply. It sucks that there's a lot of decent people just trying to make a living (and some pieces of shit too, as is in everything) who'll have their lives ruined in this, but it'll just cycle again and again… another market will fill in eventually. As long as you (and me), and the rest of society continue to desire what others wish us not to have, someone will always step in to complete the deal.

Sad that DNM exist in the first place.

The point is not for them to stop drug abuse, it's for them to continue making money off busting people. In that sense, they can always win.

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2017-07-25 at 11:38 AM UTC

#9

aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition

Originally posted by Zsataya who wants tek hmu

how much for shipping to au

2017-07-25 at 12:19 PM UTC

#10

NARCassist gollums fat coach

Originally posted by aldra how much for shipping to au

you'll have to fe

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2017-07-25 at 12:40 PM UTC

#11

NARCassist gollums fat coach

anyone know what the current status quo on UK customs is? before i was busted i had two 2oz packages seized and sent a love letter for both. i have a real hunch that had something to do with the bust tbh. up until then i had regularly been getting all sorts of stuff sent from holland, germany, south africa and czech without a single problem. around that time there was talk on the srf that UK customs were upping their game. does that still seem to be the case? i know aus customs are shit hot on it, wouldn't surprise me if UK took some direction from aus.

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2017-07-25 at 12:43 PM UTC

#12

aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition

I've not heard anything about it, but yeah, getting stuff through Australian customs is a nightmare. Generally I just buy domestic even if it is more expensive.

2017-07-25 at 12:45 PM UTC

#13

NARCassist gollums fat coach

obviously UK gets way more mail to sort than aus tho.

thank fuck.

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2017-07-25 at 2:19 PM UTC

#14

NARCassist gollums fat coach

Originally posted by Zsataya What do you need?. Everything can be locally sourced/made except for heroin/mdma which are reliant on EU.

BBMC British brotherhood of meth chemists makes home bake nz style heroin and supplies the meth

err, heroin and mdma

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2017-07-25 at 6:34 PM UTC

#15

hydromorphone victim of incest [insincerely conduce my paisley]

Originally posted by greenplastic The point is not for them to stop drug abuse, it's for them to continue making money off busting people. In that sense, they can always win.

Unfortunately you're right in that assumption. The continuation of outlawing of substances, is just a ploy to make a few at the top very rich and line their pockets. Making drugs illegal also artificially inflates their prices, thus generating more profit.

I have hope that one day that we will, as a society, open our eyes and stop destroying lives with the prohibition on drugs. My post stating the war on drugs cannot be won, was basically, you aren't going to stop people from using or selling drugs, no matter what penalty or threat you place on doing so. The countries that have the strictest penalties for drugs, tend to be the a huge mill for them too, just proving no threat is enough to stop the trade. I hope one day we can see this madness stop. It's harmful to every facet of society, as it stands now.

2017-07-25 at 7:31 PM UTC

#16

benny vader YELLOW GHOST

Originally posted by hydromorphone I have hope that one day that we will,

i thought people who lives in democracy have the power to changes things according to their whims and fancies whenever and wherever they like it.

no ???

2017-07-25 at 9:17 PM UTC

#17

mashlehash victim of incest [my perspicuously dependant flavourlessness]

Hansa was a good man. He was one of my best comrades.

2017-07-25 at 10:56 PM UTC

#18

Malice Naturally Camouflaged

Originally posted by aldra I've not heard anything about it, but yeah, getting stuff through Australian customs is a nightmare. Generally I just buy domestic even if it is more expensive.

Isn't it insanely expensive? You don't seem like the kind of person that uses much or often, and wages are generally higher (although cost of living is as well), which offsets this.

I had forgotten for some time that you're in Australia. Seems strange, in a way.

Cheap meth, high purity and low dose, is incredible for productivity. Nothing beats 2-FMA for cognition focused tasks, though. What a terrible burden, to have tasted the gift of the tek gods, and understand the cost that would be borne if thou were unable to contain it. *looks at scronaldo and shudders at the thought of being trapped in his existence*

Post last edited by Malice at 2017-07-25T23:00:45.802580+00:00

2017-07-25 at 11:24 PM UTC

#19

Narc Space Nigga [connect my yokel-like scolytidae]

Originally posted by Infinityscron I anal fisted myself before work this morning and now every time I fart it feels strange

all you need to remember is if the fart has lumps in it then you've shit yourself.

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2017-07-26 at 4:32 AM UTC

#20

hydromorphone victim of incest [insincerely conduce my paisley]

Originally posted by benny vader i thought people who lives in democracy have the power to changes things according to their whims and fancies whenever and wherever they like it.

no ???

That's a joke. Everyone, everywhere has the power to change things, but it's getting enough people on board to make that happen. Propaganda is a powerful weapon, never underestimate it's ability to control the masses, and keep people locked in fear, against change. Democracy or no democracy, if you get enough people to rise up, and fight for your cause under one banner, then, yes, anything can be changed, the hard part is to do that. Democracy has us lulled in a fantasy where we "feel" we can make a change, but... often it doesn't work like that, with all the red tape and bureaucracy standing guard to fuck up the slightest up rise and keep people like us defeated. I still hope, and I won't give up that hope one day I'll live in a world that'll change it's stance on chemical substances... probably gonna be a long time before it happens though.

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After betaBay, Hansa Market got murked the other day.