User Controls
Just buy a camper and you're pretty much set for life...
-
2015-11-13 at 6:48 PM UTCYou'll never gotta be homeless, you always got a place to sleep...
-
2015-11-13 at 8:20 PM UTCYeah but then you've gotta live in a camper
-
2015-11-14 at 2:13 AM UTCUntil it leaks.
-
2015-11-14 at 4:50 AM UTC.........................
-
2015-11-14 at 4:54 AM UTC
Yeah but then you've gotta live in a camper
yea but its better than living on the streets in the cold. And no you don't have to live in a camper just because you have one. I'd rather live in a camper by myself than living with roomies/my parents. luckily I have my own apartment. But if the shit really hit the fan it would be nice to have a camper than sleeping under a bridge lol -
2015-11-14 at 5:07 AM UTC
-
2015-11-14 at 5:08 AM UTCI mean sure it's better living in the streets but I'd hardly call a notch above homelessness being "set for life".
-
2015-11-14 at 6:15 AM UTC^agreed.. but i just think he ultimately meant, you'd have a place if shit hit the fan. I guess it just depends on what you want out of life some people prefer the "on the road" life style, at least until they've been through it and want someone a little more. I know people with jobs, that chose that life style. I wouldn't want it. Even while being out of work I've always had a roof over my head..
We all know actro makes threads that are very off beat to incite thought provoking ideas, he's a philosopher thats just pointing out there is a way to live some what comfortably with out the constraints of going along with corporate america.
Different strokes for different folks. Some people don't mind living off the land off the grid, while some are extremely dependent on certain monetary social constructs (marriage, mortgages, child support, income tax, SSI) -
2015-11-14 at 7:31 AM UTC
I mean sure it's better living in the streets but I'd hardly call a notch above homelessness being "set for life".
Some are actually pretty damn nice, and surprisingly cheap. A few thousand can honestly get you something nicer that a small San Francisco (efficiency) apartment or studio. Only problem is the lack of affordable trailer parks/RV lots in many places, like the Bay Area, which can negate most of the savings. It's also illegal to sleep in a vehicle overnight, or possibly even have an RV parked on a residential street overnight, so you could get hassled by cops. Not sure if this is the law everywhere.
Good perspectives here: https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-to-park-anywhere-in-California-with-a-small-RV-to-sleep
Blocking out the windows is the easiest and most obvious option, if it isn't flat out illegal to have an RV parked overnight on residential streets, but to get around that I've thought about the idea of simply putting a huge tarp/car cover over it, which would be pretty amusing, although if there's dick/asshole cop in your area with nothing better to do you could still get screwed, particularly if certain types of people complain (better to stay out nicer White neighborhoods).
For electricity, solar could be an option in some areas. Not sure if they've developed enough to provide enough power for everything needed, major appliances like a water heater, stove/oven, refrigerator, computer, etc. Then you'd just a place to fillup the water tank. For the toilet, you can go a while without needing to drain the septic system. There's also the option of using a gym for showers and toilets, Planet Fitness is only $10 a month, although they're garbage if you want to use an actual gym, and you could also take advantage of the free pizza and bagel days if they're compatible with your diet. Or you could pay someone to let you use a hose and extension cord from their house. Internet would also be easy with a good antenna and wireless adapter setup + a good hacking OS.
There are a lot of creative options. If you wanted to go all out you could create an expandable double decker setup. I guarantee you that prices in most major metropolitan areas, aside from those that are already relatively affordable, will never drop significantly. Even if they ever do, it won't be for a good reason, but due to a major crash due to an economic crisis, likely brought on by debt (This is not conservative fear mongering, some places are already dealing with a shitstorm due to this) or housing prices becoming so unsustainable it just tanks the regional economy due to a mass exodus. Options like this are going to become much more attractive. For example, Lanny, you've stated that you already have enough for a mortgage on an apartment and that it could cost less that what you're currently paying in rent, but if you ever get married and have a child, want a place with privacy and a decent amount of room for them to grow up (Whatever happened to yards? Christ it would have been awful not having one. Access to an actual significant chunk of wilderness, a nice forest, would have been incredible, but I loved the relatively large backyard of my parent's home. Human's weren't meant to develop without places like that, there's already data on the significant benefits, who knows how much it could be screwing kids up.), in a nice/safe area, hoo boy are you going to pay a painful amount. -
2015-11-14 at 8:31 PM UTC
Blocking out the windows is the easiest and most obvious option, if it isn't flat out illegal to have an RV parked overnight on residential streets, but to get around that I've thought about the idea of simply putting a huge tarp/car cover over it, which would be pretty amusing, although if there's dick/asshole cop in your area with nothing better to do you could still get screwed, particularly if certain types of people complain (better to stay out nicer White neighborhoods).
For electricity, solar could be an option in some areas. Not sure if they've developed enough to provide enough power for everything needed, major appliances like a water heater, stove/oven, refrigerator, computer, etc. Then you'd just a place to fillup the water tank. For the toilet, you can go a while without needing to drain the septic system. There's also the option of using a gym for showers and toilets, Planet Fitness is only $10 a month, although they're garbage if you want to use an actual gym, and you could also take advantage of the free pizza and bagel days if they're compatible with your diet. Or you could pay someone to let you use a hose and extension cord from their house. Internet would also be easy with a good antenna and wireless adapter setup + a good hacking OS.
I mean to each their own. There was a time when I wanted to live on a beach in some unpopulated part of Mexico. I just associate RVs with poor midwesterners, "trailer trash" is a term for a reason.There are a lot of creative options. If you wanted to go all out you could create an expandable double decker setup. I guarantee you that prices in most major metropolitan areas, aside from those that are already relatively affordable, will never drop significantly. Even if they ever do, it won't be for a good reason, but due to a major crash due to an economic crisis, likely brought on by debt (This is not conservative fear mongering, some places are already dealing with a shitstorm due to this) or housing prices becoming so unsustainable it just tanks the regional economy due to a mass exodus. Options like this are going to become much more attractive. For example, Lanny, you've stated that you already have enough for a mortgage on an apartment and that it could cost less that what you're currently paying in rent, but if you ever get married and have a child, want a place with privacy and a decent amount of room for them to grow up (Whatever happened to yards? Christ it would have been awful not having one. Access to an actual significant chunk of wilderness, a nice forest, would have been incredible, but I loved the relatively large backyard of my parent's home. Human's weren't meant to develop without places like that, there's already data on the significant benefits, who knows how much it could be screwing kids up.), in a nice/safe area, hoo boy are you going to pay a painful amount.
Something something naturalistic fallacy something cognitive biases something something.
"but muh studies", well let's see them then. I grew up around a lot of nature and it was nice, I have quaint memories of playing in forests and jungles and shit but I probably would have traded it for a better graphics card at the time.
In any case, the usual scheme is to leave SF proper and settle somewhere out in eastbay. On a SF salary you can live in berkley or something, some nice nature around there. I'd hate to live in a truly "nice" neighborhood though, which is what I think Berkley and surrounding areas is going to be in not too many years. Not that I have any intention of "starting a family" anyway. When I walk home from the financial district it's like a breath of fresh air as the streets becomes progressively dirtier, the stores slide from upscale retail to ethnic restaurants and the people on the street aren't all wearing suits. -
2015-11-15 at 6:11 AM UTCNot everyone has that predisposition. I could really imagine it fucking up those who don't, the people that like being outdoors and running around, playing. It's like high energy dogs, dogs with high exercise demands, being confined to a small apartment, it can really wreck them and cause destructive behaviors.
As for not having an intention of starting a family, I remember seeing data, from the General Social Survey most likely, on polling done on women in their 40s, the number of children they actually had and how many they wish they had, which was generally about twice the former. Only about 5% stated they had felt no regret about not having children. It's a very strong hardwired urge, particularly among women, although you're likely somewhat hostile to this idea, or at least the extent of it. There's also a section on this in The Defining Decade, a book every person in their early 20s should eventually read, how the window of opportunity for having children is really much smaller than people generally believe and the heartache and regret it often causes.
I, of course, don't intend to ever have children, and right now I seem unlikely to even live to that point, to ever find someone who I could even have them with; I don't think it's the right path in life for me and at the very least I would never have biological children. During my depressive rumination and increase in empathy, trying to understand others and their viewpoints, life experiences, this is one of the many subjects I thought of, and along with following the pics/videos, blog, of an online friend I grew apart from, I came to understand why people had them. Although I have very deep moral opposition to it and see it as one of the most selfish things you can do, I can't really blame people or look down on them, feel anger or disgust, among them for doing so. Well, at least the types that have them for good reasons and raise them well, provide a good life for them. It's something interesting to think about, the reasons people have them and what a the experience of raising good children must be like. There really is something special about it that I don't think you can get from anywhere else, that it changes and allows you develop in ways others things won't, particularly for women. As I said though, different paths in life, we all have to choose between alternatives. -
2015-11-16 at 7:13 AM UTC^while you kinda ranted on just a lil to much about the children part, bottom line, different people have different ways of living.
/thread
